Bishop O'connell Baseball

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Anonymous wrote:So juniors cut have no option for high school baseball not even back down to JV because of the local transfers? Meanwhile, freshman primetime kids from an average team make JV?

+1. At least give the kid a jersey and let him be on varsity so he can list it on his college applications. Playing time is a totally different matter. Best players, play. Everyone gets that.

Agree. Its terrible for the kids who put in all the work for the past 2 years and now likely wont have a Varsity letter for college apps.

Do kids going to a WCAC school really need that varsity letter on the college app?

No...the reality is that if you aren't a recruited athlete, then just playing a sport is a line item on the app, but nobody cares much (and if not recruited, they don't care if you played Varsity of JV or a Club sport...it's an activity).

This is just blatantly incorrect. Colleges 100% know what it takes to be part of a varsity sport versus attending the inner peace club activity.

It's not blatantly incorrect...colleges really don't care that much about a sporting activity unless you are a recruited athlete...this isn't the 80s/90s. Colleges care you do something vs. nothing, but they don't really give a shit if you play on the Varsity baseball team...and in fact probably think it's a little better that you are captain of the Club Rugby team.

They would certainly prefer you take leadership roles in debate or robotics or something else vs. being an anonymous COG on some varsity athletic team.

I'm sure you want to believe that, but in personally working with college counselors I know that your belief is incorrect. Colleges are looking for well-rounded students including those with high-commitment extracurricular activities. Varsity sports (for non-recruited athletes) demonstrate that via dedication, leadership and the ability to balance time-consuming schedules with academics. A student who has 2 years of a sport, then a drop off with no other high-commitment extracurricular activity is at a disadvantage. It is unlikely that one of these students who was just dropped is all of a sudden going to pick up robotics or become debate team captain if that was not already something they were involved in.

Hard to feel sorry for kids not making the team when they’re only interested because they want to list their participation on their resume.

I feel very sorry for the kids who actually want to play and get cut.

I think you’re misunderstanding. Many of these kids talk with and/or work out with the coaches before they join the school. The coach will tell them whether or not they’re going to make the team. We’re not talking about kids who think they can walk on and don’t have to put in the hard work.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread demonstrates how adults have sucked the joy out of youth sports.

Yep.

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Anonymous wrote:So juniors cut have no option for high school baseball not even back down to JV because of the local transfers? Meanwhile, freshman primetime kids from an average team make JV?

+1. At least give the kid a jersey and let him be on varsity so he can list it on his college applications. Playing time is a totally different matter. Best players, play. Everyone gets that.

Agree. Its terrible for the kids who put in all the work for the past 2 years and now likely wont have a Varsity letter for college apps.

Do kids going to a WCAC school really need that varsity letter on the college app?

No...the reality is that if you aren't a recruited athlete, then just playing a sport is a line item on the app, but nobody cares much (and if not recruited, they don't care if you played Varsity of JV or a Club sport...it's an activity).

This is just blatantly incorrect. Colleges 100% know what it takes to be part of a varsity sport versus attending the inner peace club activity.

It's not blatantly incorrect...colleges really don't care that much about a sporting activity unless you are a recruited athlete...this isn't the 80s/90s. Colleges care you do something vs. nothing, but they don't really give a shit if you play on the Varsity baseball team...and in fact probably think it's a little better that you are captain of the Club Rugby team.

They would certainly prefer you take leadership roles in debate or robotics or something else vs. being an anonymous COG on some varsity athletic team.

I'm sure you want to believe that, but in personally working with college counselors I know that your belief is incorrect. Colleges are looking for well-rounded students including those with high-commitment extracurricular activities. Varsity sports (for non-recruited athletes) demonstrate that via dedication, leadership and the ability to balance time-consuming schedules with academics. A student who has 2 years of a sport, then a drop off with no other high-commitment extracurricular activity is at a disadvantage. It is unlikely that one of these students who was just dropped is all of a sudden going to pick up robotics or become debate team captain if that was not already something they were involved in.

Hard to feel sorry for kids not making the team when they’re only interested because they want to list their participation on their resume.

I feel very sorry for the kids who actually want to play and get cut.

I think you’re misunderstanding. Many of these kids talk with and/or work out with the coaches before they join the school. The coach will tell them whether or not they’re going to make the team. We’re not talking about kids who think they can walk on and don’t have to put in the hard work.

There's no misunderstanding this previous statement by a PP: "Many of these kids chose BOC pretty sure they’d be able to make a team and knowing it’s not as competitive of an environment as some other schools like SJC. "

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Something has gone terribly wrong in this day and age if there are kids begging to play baseball and they simply cant.

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Anonymous wrote:So juniors cut have no option for high school baseball not even back down to JV because of the local transfers? Meanwhile, freshman primetime kids from an average team make JV?

+1. At least give the kid a jersey and let him be on varsity so he can list it on his college applications. Playing time is a totally different matter. Best players, play. Everyone gets that.

Agree. Its terrible for the kids who put in all the work for the past 2 years and now likely wont have a Varsity letter for college apps.

Do kids going to a WCAC school really need that varsity letter on the college app?

No...the reality is that if you aren't a recruited athlete, then just playing a sport is a line item on the app, but nobody cares much (and if not recruited, they don't care if you played Varsity of JV or a Club sport...it's an activity).

This is just blatantly incorrect. Colleges 100% know what it takes to be part of a varsity sport versus attending the inner peace club activity.

It's not blatantly incorrect...colleges really don't care that much about a sporting activity unless you are a recruited athlete...this isn't the 80s/90s. Colleges care you do something vs. nothing, but they don't really give a shit if you play on the Varsity baseball team...and in fact probably think it's a little better that you are captain of the Club Rugby team.

They would certainly prefer you take leadership roles in debate or robotics or something else vs. being an anonymous COG on some varsity athletic team.

I'm sure you want to believe that, but in personally working with college counselors I know that your belief is incorrect. Colleges are looking for well-rounded students including those with high-commitment extracurricular activities. Varsity sports (for non-recruited athletes) demonstrate that via dedication, leadership and the ability to balance time-consuming schedules with academics. A student who has 2 years of a sport, then a drop off with no other high-commitment extracurricular activity is at a disadvantage. It is unlikely that one of these students who was just dropped is all of a sudden going to pick up robotics or become debate team captain if that was not already something they were involved in.

Hard to feel sorry for kids not making the team when they’re only interested because they want to list their participation on their resume.

I feel very sorry for the kids who actually want to play and get cut.

I think you’re misunderstanding. Many of these kids talk with and/or work out with the coaches before they join the school. The coach will tell them whether or not they’re going to make the team. We’re not talking about kids who think they can walk on and don’t have to put in the hard work.

The coaches promised 8th graders they could be on the Varsity team by 11th so they can check a box? Doesn’t sound like hard work to me.

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Anonymous wrote:So juniors cut have no option for high school baseball not even back down to JV because of the local transfers? Meanwhile, freshman primetime kids from an average team make JV?

+1. At least give the kid a jersey and let him be on varsity so he can list it on his college applications. Playing time is a totally different matter. Best players, play. Everyone gets that.

Agree. Its terrible for the kids who put in all the work for the past 2 years and now likely wont have a Varsity letter for college apps.

Do kids going to a WCAC school really need that varsity letter on the college app?

No...the reality is that if you aren't a recruited athlete, then just playing a sport is a line item on the app, but nobody cares much (and if not recruited, they don't care if you played Varsity of JV or a Club sport...it's an activity).

This is just blatantly incorrect. Colleges 100% know what it takes to be part of a varsity sport versus attending the inner peace club activity.

It's not blatantly incorrect...colleges really don't care that much about a sporting activity unless you are a recruited athlete...this isn't the 80s/90s. Colleges care you do something vs. nothing, but they don't really give a shit if you play on the Varsity baseball team...and in fact probably think it's a little better that you are captain of the Club Rugby team.

They would certainly prefer you take leadership roles in debate or robotics or something else vs. being an anonymous COG on some varsity athletic team.

I'm sure you want to believe that, but in personally working with college counselors I know that your belief is incorrect. Colleges are looking for well-rounded students including those with high-commitment extracurricular activities. Varsity sports (for non-recruited athletes) demonstrate that via dedication, leadership and the ability to balance time-consuming schedules with academics. A student who has 2 years of a sport, then a drop off with no other high-commitment extracurricular activity is at a disadvantage. It is unlikely that one of these students who was just dropped is all of a sudden going to pick up robotics or become debate team captain if that was not already something they were involved in.

Hard to feel sorry for kids not making the team when they’re only interested because they want to list their participation on their resume.

I feel very sorry for the kids who actually want to play and get cut.

I think you’re misunderstanding. Many of these kids talk with and/or work out with the coaches before they join the school. The coach will tell them whether or not they’re going to make the team. We’re not talking about kids who think they can walk on and don’t have to put in the hard work.

There's no misunderstanding this previous statement by a PP: "Many of these kids chose BOC pretty sure they’d be able to make a team and knowing it’s not as competitive of an environment as some other schools like SJC. "

That doesn’t mean they thought they could play at BOC without working hard or being serious about baseball. That’s a solid team with many good players. Pp meant they chose the school because they were led to believe it was a place they could continue to play baseball and contribute without being at the level of a P4 baseball commit.

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Anonymous wrote:So juniors cut have no option for high school baseball not even back down to JV because of the local transfers? Meanwhile, freshman primetime kids from an average team make JV?

+1. At least give the kid a jersey and let him be on varsity so he can list it on his college applications. Playing time is a totally different matter. Best players, play. Everyone gets that.

Agree. Its terrible for the kids who put in all the work for the past 2 years and now likely wont have a Varsity letter for college apps.

Do kids going to a WCAC school really need that varsity letter on the college app?

No...the reality is that if you aren't a recruited athlete, then just playing a sport is a line item on the app, but nobody cares much (and if not recruited, they don't care if you played Varsity of JV or a Club sport...it's an activity).

This is just blatantly incorrect. Colleges 100% know what it takes to be part of a varsity sport versus attending the inner peace club activity.

It's not blatantly incorrect...colleges really don't care that much about a sporting activity unless you are a recruited athlete...this isn't the 80s/90s. Colleges care you do something vs. nothing, but they don't really give a shit if you play on the Varsity baseball team...and in fact probably think it's a little better that you are captain of the Club Rugby team.

They would certainly prefer you take leadership roles in debate or robotics or something else vs. being an anonymous COG on some varsity athletic team.

I'm sure you want to believe that, but in personally working with college counselors I know that your belief is incorrect. Colleges are looking for well-rounded students including those with high-commitment extracurricular activities. Varsity sports (for non-recruited athletes) demonstrate that via dedication, leadership and the ability to balance time-consuming schedules with academics. A student who has 2 years of a sport, then a drop off with no other high-commitment extracurricular activity is at a disadvantage. It is unlikely that one of these students who was just dropped is all of a sudden going to pick up robotics or become debate team captain if that was not already something they were involved in.

Hard to feel sorry for kids not making the team when they’re only interested because they want to list their participation on their resume.

I feel very sorry for the kids who actually want to play and get cut.

I think you’re misunderstanding. Many of these kids talk with and/or work out with the coaches before they join the school. The coach will tell them whether or not they’re going to make the team. We’re not talking about kids who think they can walk on and don’t have to put in the hard work.

There's no misunderstanding this previous statement by a PP: "Many of these kids chose BOC pretty sure they’d be able to make a team and knowing it’s not as competitive of an environment as some other schools like SJC. "

That doesn’t mean they thought they could play at BOC without working hard or being serious about baseball. That’s a solid team with many good players. Pp meant they chose the school because they were led to believe it was a place they could continue to play baseball and contribute without being at the level of a P4 baseball commit.

+1

The guy above seems to just want to argue.

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Its a questionable environment when a family is hesitant to leave Primetime for fear of their HS kid getting cut. Conflict if interest.

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Anonymous wrote:Who says the kid cut from baseball didn't fill that time with something else, like babe ruth baseball, their travel baseball team, a job etc.?

I'm sure they are but the travel teams don't play against competitive teams in the spring when most boys are playing HS ball. ASBR is a rec league and most kids can't catch a ball.

How many colleges are going to care about that at all?

If you don’t make your high school team, you aren’t playing in college.

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Hey, I was on this thread early - wondering what's up with Dr. Rucker

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How can a coach look an eighth grader in the eyes and say, if you come to BOC you will do xyz. When in reality he will just get a transfer to replace you. Makes no sense in high school.

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Looks like PT was alerted to this forum. The scumbag thread from last year just got deleted.

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It’s because one of the owners is running for city council. MAGA grifters gonna grift.

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Anonymous wrote:So juniors cut have no option for high school baseball not even back down to JV because of the local transfers? Meanwhile, freshman primetime kids from an average team make JV?

+1. At least give the kid a jersey and let him be on varsity so he can list it on his college applications. Playing time is a totally different matter. Best players, play. Everyone gets that.

Agree. Its terrible for the kids who put in all the work for the past 2 years and now likely wont have a Varsity letter for college apps.

Do kids going to a WCAC school really need that varsity letter on the college app?

No...the reality is that if you aren't a recruited athlete, then just playing a sport is a line item on the app, but nobody cares much (and if not recruited, they don't care if you played Varsity of JV or a Club sport...it's an activity).

This is just blatantly incorrect. Colleges 100% know what it takes to be part of a varsity sport versus attending the inner peace club activity.

No. The previous PP is correct. If a student is not a recruited athlete then playing a high school sport (varsity or jv or club, etc.) is simply just another EC to college admissions folks. Unless you are being recruited for your sport, it does not move the needle any more or any less than any other EC. I used to read college applications as recently as 2 years ago and am still a member of a private college app reader board. We discuss this fairly often.

Then you did your school a disservice. If you were not sophisticated enough to understand that playing varsity at a WCAC school is a much different time commitment than many other schools you should not have been reviewing apps and you probably whiffed on some great applicants.

Okay, so an admissions office may have "whiffed" (who even uses a word like that in an adult conversation?!) on some great applicants. Oh well. Do you not realize how many great applicants apply to every college every year. There is FAR more applications than seats. If a few great applicants are missed there are 1000s more to consider in their place.

It must be said again as people are not listening, having your child play a HS sport is a great thing to do but unless they are of the caliber to be actually recruited on the college level their HS sport is just like any other activity to be listed on the Common App.