Bishop O'connell Baseball

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really want to pay 20-25K to go to a school that will replace you with someone down the road?

I pay 60k/yr for my kid. TO stay away from parents like you.

I am happy for your situation. You make a 60,120,or 180K investment for your child to have an experience that could be changed by a scholarship athlete coming in to replace your child. I bet your tune would change. Mr. 60K

What are you even talking about? Kids go to schools like DJO for education/envt not for sports opportunities.

Not the rich kids. They go because they didn't get into St John's or Gonzaga or thought they couldn't play sports at those schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people really want to pay 20-25K to go to a school that will replace you with someone down the road?

I pay 60k/yr for my kid. TO stay away from parents like you.

I am happy for your situation. You make a 60,120,or 180K investment for your child to have an experience that could be changed by a scholarship athlete coming in to replace your child. I bet your tune would change. Mr. 60K

What are you even talking about? Kids go to schools like DJO for education/envt not for sports opportunities.

Not the rich kids. They go because they didn't get into St John's or Gonzaga or thought they couldn't play sports at those schools.

Gonzaga's baseball team sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:Their website only has last year's roster up for varsity and jv.

+1. It lists last year’s roster but their current grade so it looks like no freshman made it. But that isn’t correct. We know multiple boys who were on the JV team when they were freshman.

So all the 10s were freshman last year. I assume they took a similar number of freshman this year. Always thought it was easier to make DJO JV than Yorktown.

I heard Yorktown JV cuts were brutal this year. So many excellent players.

They have their Final cut today. Varsity was yesterday.

I thought I heard Yorktown was having a freshman team this year. Is that not correct?

I think you’re confused because for JV this year they called for eighth and ninth graders. It’s not a “freshman” team, it’s the JV team.

8th graders have been able to try out for JV for years. I think this year there were close to 20 of them. 4 were chosen to play JV. Last year there were 3, and the year before 5, I believe. Sophmores - Seniors tryout for V and when the sophmores don't make V they go back to JV tryouts. I don't think any public schools have freshman teams. There is not enough field space.

Its more nuanced than that... this year they specifically called for 8th and 9th graders to try out for JV. No Freshman were even considered for Varsity.

Same as last year. It's not new. 8th graders have been allowed to try out for JV in any sports that the APS middle schools don't have for years. It's a terrible rule and was made when they didn't have enough kids in high school, but now there are way too many and freshman and sophmores got cut to make way for these freshman.

Last year a freshman was considered for V actually, but ended up on JV. That's the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Bishop OC had like 10 transfers come in this year. It might of bumped some kids out of the program. It's hard sustain recruiting 8th graders if you are just bringing in transfers to take their spots.

+1. Many current parents NOT happy. They supported the program for two years only to have their kids recruited over by junior transfers out of the travel program run by the coach. So not cool.

I don't mean to come off insensitive with this post but my kids have gone through this process and I think this advice needs to be heard. Players and families need to understand that at the WCAC High School Varsity level, the Coaches job is to put the best team on the field every year and to win games. Players need to take the position that they are replaceable and the coach is always looking for better players that will help him/her win. It could be that the kid who is already in the program continues to develop into the better player or they can find someone outside the program who is better. The transfer route is certainly a much quicker and easier option for a coach. And it only gets worse with every level that a player moves up. There are no guarantees for playing time. There is very little loyalty. The sooner you can get your arms around that fact, the better off your player is going to be moving forward. If you want to play this game at a high level, you need to learn to focus on your own development and providing tangible value to a team. If you perform and you are a good teammate, you make yourself harder to replace. But don't believe for a minute that they aren't trying.

This is certainly true in college and pros. But that’s what you sign up for. At the HS level this is just lazy coaching and bad for a kids mental health. The best WCAC baseball program of the past decade does not take local transfers. They appear to get better the old fashioned way.

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Anonymous wrote:Bishop OC had like 10 transfers come in this year. It might of bumped some kids out of the program. It's hard sustain recruiting 8th graders if you are just bringing in transfers to take their spots.

+1. Many current parents NOT happy. They supported the program for two years only to have their kids recruited over by junior transfers out of the travel program run by the coach. So not cool.

I don't mean to come off insensitive with this post but my kids have gone through this process and I think this advice needs to be heard. Players and families need to understand that at the WCAC High School Varsity level, the Coaches job is to put the best team on the field every year and to win games. Players need to take the position that they are replaceable and the coach is always looking for better players that will help him/her win. It could be that the kid who is already in the program continues to develop into the better player or they can find someone outside the program who is better. The transfer route is certainly a much quicker and easier option for a coach. And it only gets worse with every level that a player moves up. There are no guarantees for playing time. There is very little loyalty. The sooner you can get your arms around that fact, the better off your player is going to be moving forward. If you want to play this game at a high level, you need to learn to focus on your own development and providing tangible value to a team. If you perform and you are a good teammate, you make yourself harder to replace. But don't believe for a minute that they aren't trying.

Yes AND if your kid doesn't play for Primetime they are at a disadvantage at DJO.

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Anonymous wrote:Bishop OC had like 10 transfers come in this year. It might of bumped some kids out of the program. It's hard sustain recruiting 8th graders if you are just bringing in transfers to take their spots.

+1. Many current parents NOT happy. They supported the program for two years only to have their kids recruited over by junior transfers out of the travel program run by the coach. So not cool.

Were any Primetime kids cut?

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Anonymous wrote:Bishop OC had like 10 transfers come in this year. It might of bumped some kids out of the program. It's hard sustain recruiting 8th graders if you are just bringing in transfers to take their spots.

+1. Many current parents NOT happy. They supported the program for two years only to have their kids recruited over by junior transfers out of the travel program run by the coach. So not cool.

I don't mean to come off insensitive with this post but my kids have gone through this process and I think this advice needs to be heard. Players and families need to understand that at the WCAC High School Varsity level, the Coaches job is to put the best team on the field every year and to win games. Players need to take the position that they are replaceable and the coach is always looking for better players that will help him/her win. It could be that the kid who is already in the program continues to develop into the better player or they can find someone outside the program who is better. The transfer route is certainly a much quicker and easier option for a coach. And it only gets worse with every level that a player moves up. There are no guarantees for playing time. There is very little loyalty. The sooner you can get your arms around that fact, the better off your player is going to be moving forward. If you want to play this game at a high level, you need to learn to focus on your own development and providing tangible value to a team. If you perform and you are a good teammate, you make yourself harder to replace. But don't believe for a minute that they aren't trying.

Found the OConnell coach's burner account. Trust me that if your child worked hard and earned their time and it was their opportunity to contribute on varsity just for 10 players to jump him immediately, you would feel a certain way. I get that it could happen in the real world, but these are kids, paying parents of 20K+ a year and were probably promised something before they got there too. Loyalty goes both ways.

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Where is Dr. Rucker these days? (Hopefully still alive)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bishop OC had like 10 transfers come in this year. It might of bumped some kids out of the program. It's hard sustain recruiting 8th graders if you are just bringing in transfers to take their spots.

+1. Many current parents NOT happy. They supported the program for two years only to have their kids recruited over by junior transfers out of the travel program run by the coach. So not cool.

I don't mean to come off insensitive with this post but my kids have gone through this process and I think this advice needs to be heard. Players and families need to understand that at the WCAC High School Varsity level, the Coaches job is to put the best team on the field every year and to win games. Players need to take the position that they are replaceable and the coach is always looking for better players that will help him/her win. It could be that the kid who is already in the program continues to develop into the better player or they can find someone outside the program who is better. The transfer route is certainly a much quicker and easier option for a coach. And it only gets worse with every level that a player moves up. There are no guarantees for playing time. There is very little loyalty. The sooner you can get your arms around that fact, the better off your player is going to be moving forward. If you want to play this game at a high level, you need to learn to focus on your own development and providing tangible value to a team. If you perform and you are a good teammate, you make yourself harder to replace. But don't believe for a minute that they aren't trying.

This is certainly true in college and pros. But that’s what you sign up for. At the HS level this is just lazy coaching and bad for a kids mental health. The best WCAC baseball program of the past decade does not take local transfers. They appear to get better the old fashioned way.

That is completely dependent upon the coach. The SJC's football coach makes it clear they will look for lateral transfers (at least the prior coach...the new GC coach is having a bunch of GC lateral transfers that he recruited to GC, but not sure if he will look for laterals going forward).

It's completely up to the coach for how they want to run the team. The only ethical obligation is that the coach makes that clear to any recruits before they decide to attend.

Also, the very same SJC baseball program that does not take local transfers...is also a fairly decent source of local transfers to other programs. I think at least two BOC junior transfers are coming from SJC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bishop OC had like 10 transfers come in this year. It might of bumped some kids out of the program. It's hard sustain recruiting 8th graders if you are just bringing in transfers to take their spots.

+1. Many current parents NOT happy. They supported the program for two years only to have their kids recruited over by junior transfers out of the travel program run by the coach. So not cool.

I don't mean to come off insensitive with this post but my kids have gone through this process and I think this advice needs to be heard. Players and families need to understand that at the WCAC High School Varsity level, the Coaches job is to put the best team on the field every year and to win games. Players need to take the position that they are replaceable and the coach is always looking for better players that will help him/her win. It could be that the kid who is already in the program continues to develop into the better player or they can find someone outside the program who is better. The transfer route is certainly a much quicker and easier option for a coach. And it only gets worse with every level that a player moves up. There are no guarantees for playing time. There is very little loyalty. The sooner you can get your arms around that fact, the better off your player is going to be moving forward. If you want to play this game at a high level, you need to learn to focus on your own development and providing tangible value to a team. If you perform and you are a good teammate, you make yourself harder to replace. But don't believe for a minute that they aren't trying.

This is certainly true in college and pros. But that’s what you sign up for. At the HS level this is just lazy coaching and bad for a kids mental health. The best WCAC baseball program of the past decade does not take local transfers. They appear to get better the old fashioned way.

That is completely dependent upon the coach. The SJC's football coach makes it clear they will look for lateral transfers (at least the prior coach...the new GC coach is having a bunch of GC lateral transfers that he recruited to GC, but not sure if he will look for laterals going forward).

It's completely up to the coach for how they want to run the team. The only ethical obligation is that the coach makes that clear to any recruits before they decide to attend.

Also, the very same SJC baseball program that does not take local transfers...is also a fairly decent source of local transfers to other programs. I think at least two BOC junior transfers are coming from SJC.

New SJC coach who came over from GC is having a bunch of lateral transfers from GC to SJC.

[Anonymous]

So juniors cut have no option for high school baseball not even back down to JV because of the local transfers? Meanwhile, freshman primetime kids from an average team make JV?

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Anonymous wrote:Bishop OC had like 10 transfers come in this year. It might of bumped some kids out of the program. It's hard sustain recruiting 8th graders if you are just bringing in transfers to take their spots.

+1. Many current parents NOT happy. They supported the program for two years only to have their kids recruited over by junior transfers out of the travel program run by the coach. So not cool.

I don't mean to come off insensitive with this post but my kids have gone through this process and I think this advice needs to be heard. Players and families need to understand that at the WCAC High School Varsity level, the Coaches job is to put the best team on the field every year and to win games. Players need to take the position that they are replaceable and the coach is always looking for better players that will help him/her win. It could be that the kid who is already in the program continues to develop into the better player or they can find someone outside the program who is better. The transfer route is certainly a much quicker and easier option for a coach. And it only gets worse with every level that a player moves up. There are no guarantees for playing time. There is very little loyalty. The sooner you can get your arms around that fact, the better off your player is going to be moving forward. If you want to play this game at a high level, you need to learn to focus on your own development and providing tangible value to a team. If you perform and you are a good teammate, you make yourself harder to replace. But don't believe for a minute that they aren't trying.

This is certainly true in college and pros. But that’s what you sign up for. At the HS level this is just lazy coaching and bad for a kids mental health. The best WCAC baseball program of the past decade does not take local transfers. They appear to get better the old fashioned way.

That is completely dependent upon the coach. The SJC's football coach makes it clear they will look for lateral transfers (at least the prior coach...the new GC coach is having a bunch of GC lateral transfers that he recruited to GC, but not sure if he will look for laterals going forward).

It's completely up to the coach for how they want to run the team. The only ethical obligation is that the coach makes that clear to any recruits before they decide to attend.

Also, the very same SJC baseball program that does not take local transfers...is also a fairly decent source of local transfers to other programs. I think at least two BOC junior transfers are coming from SJC.

New SJC coach who came over from GC is having a bunch of lateral transfers from GC to SJC.

This is pure insanity. These are teenagers we’re talking about. What are we doing treating high school sports this way?

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Glad my kid doesn’t go here and gets an opportunity to play at his school.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad my kid doesn’t go here and gets an opportunity to play at his school.

Guessing your kid is low level so great for them. No need to put down kids who make a more competitive team

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Anonymous wrote:So juniors cut have no option for high school baseball not even back down to JV because of the local transfers? Meanwhile, freshman primetime kids from an average team make JV?

+1. At least give the kid a jersey and let him be on varsity so he can list it on his college applications. Playing time is a totally different matter. Best players, play. Everyone gets that.