Help me understand Tradwife and Redpill logic

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

You're not a tradwife, you are a just a regular old SAHM.

And a b!t@h

Don’t blame the messenger when you don’t like the message.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't a lot of tradwives and wife social media types actually the primary earners in their families b/c of social media money?

Kinda like Erika Kirk is ceo of turning point and travels a lot to make money and is the opposite of a tradwife?

Reminds me of all of the opinion writers who advocate for "the trades" while sending their own kids to liberal arts colleges.

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Anonymous wrote: Men in their 20s rarely want to settle down or take anything seriously. So, they need to find much older men? And if the man lies or cheats or uses her, it’s her fault for not being able to read minds and know his intentions? But if she withholds sex and demands marriage…that’s also bad, apparently?

Now the economics of it all. Tradwife at 22? Stay at home? One income, IN THIS ECONOMY? This requires her to only aspire to marry rich. But then it’s her fault for being a gold digger.


One income is simply too risky.

As someone who comes from a background (Mennonite) where trad life was just "life", I have bolded what I consider to be false premises. Yes, if you are using some very online caricature of a "tradwife" then you can use almost any premise and reach almost any conclusion you want.

But from my background, and even from non-Mennonites I grew up with who had traditional values, none of the above is true. The truth, in my experience is this:
-Men in their late teens and early 20s did indeed want to settle down and get married
-Marriages are typically between people in the same age range
-Adultery is he fault of the adulterer, always
-It was expected that, although difficult to achieve, sex would wait until marriage
-You can definitely still do it on one income, but not in the beltway

Mennonites, the ones known for cousin marriage? You want to give marriage advice from the community that marries their cousins???????

You're thinking of the Amish. The Amish broke off from the Mennonites over 300 years ago.

No, I'm thinking of Mennonites.

"Mennonites, particularly in closely-knit or conservative communities, have historically practiced endogamy (marrying within the group), which has led to instances of cousin marriage, similar to other isolated rural populations. Data indicates that marriage among first and second cousins was, and in some conservative sects still is, relatively common compared to modern secular society, often driven by the small, isolated nature of the communities. "

I'll take a quote with no citation for what it's worth.

easily googleable if you felt like it. If you'd rather live in ignorance of your own religion that really doesn't affect me whatsoever.

It's just such a dumb assertion. It's like generalizing about Mormons from subsets of FLDS. Or generalizing about Jewish people from the Hasidic. If you take a narrow enough slice of any group, and add enough qualifiers, then yeah, you can get eye-catching results.

So you agree that mennonites marry their cousins? Not sure what the point of this post is.

My point is that you should understand all the qualifiers and contradictions in your quoted post. Of course some Mennonites have historically married their cousins. And it probably happened just today, too (Congratulations Amos and Rebeccah!). That doesn't mean that it is generalizable across any kind of representative section of traditional Mennonites. Take a statistics class some time and you'll understand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

You're not a tradwife, you are a just a regular old SAHM.

It's essentially the same thing--both types of women are fully provided for by their husbands and they stay home and care for kids. UCM sahms will say the difference is they don't obey their husbands but the economic setup is the same and it's a very traditional one.

If it's the same thing, there's no need for a rebranding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is redpill

It's a group of guys selling other guys "the truth." The truth being marketed usually centers around the idea that women don't know (or won't say) what they actually want from men. The salesmen assert that they know what women actually want and will teach the other men that truth and how to attract women. The lore that's built up in this area relies a lot on old pick-up artist and incel notions about women wanting, despite what they say, "alpha" men who will dominate them, neg them, and generally push various buttons that will make the women want sex. Meanwhile, men who believe women when they say they want caring, supportive, funny men with good personalities who treat them as equals are your "betas." These are the guys that women settle with for resources but, in their heart of hearts, the women aren't sexually attracted to these guys which is why they'll make the men jump through hoops, have mediocre sex with them, and ultimately end up in dead bedroom relationships.

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Anonymous wrote: Men in their 20s rarely want to settle down or take anything seriously. So, they need to find much older men? And if the man lies or cheats or uses her, it’s her fault for not being able to read minds and know his intentions? But if she withholds sex and demands marriage…that’s also bad, apparently?

Now the economics of it all. Tradwife at 22? Stay at home? One income, IN THIS ECONOMY? This requires her to only aspire to marry rich. But then it’s her fault for being a gold digger.


One income is simply too risky.

As someone who comes from a background (Mennonite) where trad life was just "life", I have bolded what I consider to be false premises. Yes, if you are using some very online caricature of a "tradwife" then you can use almost any premise and reach almost any conclusion you want.

But from my background, and even from non-Mennonites I grew up with who had traditional values, none of the above is true. The truth, in my experience is this:
-Men in their late teens and early 20s did indeed want to settle down and get married
-Marriages are typically between people in the same age range
-Adultery is he fault of the adulterer, always
-It was expected that, although difficult to achieve, sex would wait until marriage
-You can definitely still do it on one income, but not in the beltway

Mennonites, the ones known for cousin marriage? You want to give marriage advice from the community that marries their cousins???????

You're thinking of the Amish. The Amish broke off from the Mennonites over 300 years ago.

No, I'm thinking of Mennonites.

"Mennonites, particularly in closely-knit or conservative communities, have historically practiced endogamy (marrying within the group), which has led to instances of cousin marriage, similar to other isolated rural populations. Data indicates that marriage among first and second cousins was, and in some conservative sects still is, relatively common compared to modern secular society, often driven by the small, isolated nature of the communities. "

I'll take a quote with no citation for what it's worth.

easily googleable if you felt like it. If you'd rather live in ignorance of your own religion that really doesn't affect me whatsoever.

It's just such a dumb assertion. It's like generalizing about Mormons from subsets of FLDS. Or generalizing about Jewish people from the Hasidic. If you take a narrow enough slice of any group, and add enough qualifiers, then yeah, you can get eye-catching results.

So you agree that mennonites marry their cousins? Not sure what the point of this post is.

My point is that you should understand all the qualifiers and contradictions in your quoted post. Of course some Mennonites have historically married their cousins. And it probably happened just today, too (Congratulations Amos and Rebeccah!). That doesn't mean that it is generalizable across any kind of representative section of traditional Mennonites. Take a statistics class some time and you'll understand.

I don't want to get marriage advice from someone advocating a culture that marries their cousins. No need to derail a whole thread to praise your religion that practices marrying cousins. Sorry not sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is redpill

It's a group of guys selling other guys "the truth." The truth being marketed usually centers around the idea that women don't know (or won't say) what they actually want from men. The salesmen assert that they know what women actually want and will teach the other men that truth and how to attract women. The lore that's built up in this area relies a lot on old pick-up artist and incel notions about women wanting, despite what they say, "alpha" men who will dominate them, neg them, and generally push various buttons that will make the women want sex. Meanwhile, men who believe women when they say they want caring, supportive, funny men with good personalities who treat them as equals are your "betas." These are the guys that women settle with for resources but, in their heart of hearts, the women aren't sexually attracted to these guys which is why they'll make the men jump through hoops, have mediocre sex with them, and ultimately end up in dead bedroom relationships.

"Betas" seem to get the girl.
"Alphas" are single, selling their podcast to other single dudes.

[Anonymous]

Trad wife means traditional wife. Meaning stay at home wife. People want to stay at home when they have money and when they don't care about their kids doing anything more than a blue collar job. The rest of the world cares about money. Not caring about money is either a luxury or a decision to live middle to lower class

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't a lot of tradwives and wife social media types actually the primary earners in their families b/c of social media money?

Kinda like Erika Kirk is ceo of turning point and travels a lot to make money and is the opposite of a tradwife?

Reminds me of all of the opinion writers who advocate for "the trades" while sending their own kids to liberal arts colleges.

Wasn't Charlie Kirk one of those guys always going on about the 'body count'? And then he marries a 31 year old divorced woman who used to be on reality tv who has a PhD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't a lot of tradwives and wife social media types actually the primary earners in their families b/c of social media money?

Kinda like Erika Kirk is ceo of turning point and travels a lot to make money and is the opposite of a tradwife?

Reminds me of all of the opinion writers who advocate for "the trades" while sending their own kids to liberal arts colleges.

Wasn't Charlie Kirk one of those guys always going on about the 'body count'? And then he marries a 31 year old divorced woman who used to be on reality tv who has a PhD.

Lol, I don't like her either but these are not facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

So you think women should not work…so they can be available for the 3 hours a school year that parents get to visit their kid’s classroom? There are definitely reasons to stay home or work part time (that’s what I do) but this is not one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't a lot of tradwives and wife social media types actually the primary earners in their families b/c of social media money?

Kinda like Erika Kirk is ceo of turning point and travels a lot to make money and is the opposite of a tradwife?

Reminds me of all of the opinion writers who advocate for "the trades" while sending their own kids to liberal arts colleges.

Wasn't Charlie Kirk one of those guys always going on about the 'body count'? And then he marries a 31 year old divorced woman who used to be on reality tv who has a PhD.

Lol, I don't like her either but these are not facts.

I'm not seeing a prior marriage. She was apparently the love interest of Jordan Verroi in Season 3 of a reality TV show called "Summer House." She got a political science degree at Arizona State and got a "degree" from Liberty University (if you want to count anything from that place.)

Looks like she didn't get married to Charlie until she was 32. In addition to her reality TV stint, she's worked as a pageant contestant, a podcaster, a clothing brand promoter, something to do with a Bible app, and a real estate broker. So, by all accounts, not the kind of life being pushed on young Christian women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't a lot of tradwives and wife social media types actually the primary earners in their families b/c of social media money?

Kinda like Erika Kirk is ceo of turning point and travels a lot to make money and is the opposite of a tradwife?

Reminds me of all of the opinion writers who advocate for "the trades" while sending their own kids to liberal arts colleges.

Wasn't Charlie Kirk one of those guys always going on about the 'body count'? And then he marries a 31 year old divorced woman who used to be on reality tv who has a PhD.

Lol, I don't like her either but these are not facts.

I'm not seeing a prior marriage. She was apparently the love interest of Jordan Verroi in Season 3 of a reality TV show called "Summer House." She got a political science degree at Arizona State and got a "degree" from Liberty University (if you want to count anything from that place.)

Looks like she didn't get married to Charlie until she was 32. In addition to her reality TV stint, she's worked as a pageant contestant, a podcaster, a clothing brand promoter, something to do with a Bible app, and a real estate broker. So, by all accounts, not the kind of life being pushed on young Christian women.

I think that pp is getting the Kirks confused with that other guy (I cant recall his name), but he cheated on his wife with his current wife who was also married/divorced or something. They have like 7 aryan blonde kids between them.

Erika Kirk told a lot of stories about how she moved and her roommate was dating and she was soo disugsted about how she would go for coffee or drinks with one guy and then dinner with another guy. Meanwhile Erika was on a whole ass dating show while claiming she didnt date

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't a lot of tradwives and wife social media types actually the primary earners in their families b/c of social media money?

Kinda like Erika Kirk is ceo of turning point and travels a lot to make money and is the opposite of a tradwife?

Reminds me of all of the opinion writers who advocate for "the trades" while sending their own kids to liberal arts colleges.

Wasn't Charlie Kirk one of those guys always going on about the 'body count'? And then he marries a 31 year old divorced woman who used to be on reality tv who has a PhD.

Lol, I don't like her either but these are not facts.

I'm not seeing a prior marriage. She was apparently the love interest of Jordan Verroi in Season 3 of a reality TV show called "Summer House." She got a political science degree at Arizona State and got a "degree" from Liberty University (if you want to count anything from that place.)

Looks like she didn't get married to Charlie until she was 32. In addition to her reality TV stint, she's worked as a pageant contestant, a podcaster, a clothing brand promoter, something to do with a Bible app, and a real estate broker. So, by all accounts, not the kind of life being pushed on young Christian women.

I think that pp is getting the Kirks confused with that other guy (I cant recall his name), but he cheated on his wife with his current wife who was also married/divorced or something. They have like 7 aryan blonde kids between them.

Erika Kirk told a lot of stories about how she moved and her roommate was dating and she was soo disugsted about how she would go for coffee or drinks with one guy and then dinner with another guy. Meanwhile Erika was on a whole ass dating show while claiming she didnt date

I had to look it up - Pete Hegseth.

He's out there preaching family/conservative values, meanwhile while he admitted to having 5 affairs while he was married to his first wife.
He married one of the APs.
While he was married to 2nd wife/AP, he got another married woman pregnant, divorced 2nd wife/old AP and then married new AP. So three wives, and his newest wife is also a cheater with multiple baby daddies.

But this f^&*er wants to lecture people on family values? Oh c'mon.

[Anonymous]

Among the family values set, there's never any real restrictions on the men at the top of the hierarchy. In the extreme cases, the guy can just get a revelation or something permitting multiple marriages and raping girls.

Less extreme cases, you can leave your terminally ill wife for a new, younger model and then go out and lecture the public about family values.