Help me understand Tradwife and Redpill logic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't a lot of tradwives and wife social media types actually the primary earners in their families b/c of social media money?

Kinda like Erika Kirk is ceo of turning point and travels a lot to make money and is the opposite of a tradwife?

But constantly telling other women that their place is in the home, taking care of your kids.

As she travels around, usually w/o her kids.

[Anonymous]

I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

Troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

You're not a tradwife, you are a just a regular old SAHM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Help me understand why you're putting so much effort into finding logic in something so obviously illogical?

+1

Are you also trying to find logic behind what the administration is doing to our government? Or our citizens? Good luck with all of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The “successful” trad wife will be hot so that a man wants to settle down and be with her. But she will also be submissive so he can do what he wants. But she will also be attractive enough and able to “bounce back” after having 7 kids between the ages of 22-29 so that she can create a monetized social media account in which she creates trad wife/mommy vlogger content. There may also be some family money involved for these “high status” couples.

Also, I don’t necessarily think the trad wife marries the red piller. I think the red piller is too busy marinating on their parents’ basement angry the hot girls won’t talk to them and strategizing pickup lines while judging women who won’t sleep with them for being whores.

The trad wives marry the trad men. Many blue collar (but management level) and/or who they met through a religious community where traditional gender norms and the male as the leader of the household ideology is pushed. These men have their own weirdness but they can get girls and aren’t incels.

Also you know they love the $ from their wives social media accounts, but resent being made to smile for cheesy family content.

I'm not a fan of the tradwife style, but I think you're right. Unfortunately the redpill incels SEE people like balerina farm and idolize it, and since they are so terrible with women, end up going to third world countries and trying to buy an impoverished woman who will be their slave. It's not regular tradwives that are "targeted" by these men, they seek out marginalized women who will put up with their sh*t long enough to get a green card.

[Anonymous]

Women who leave their jobs for childcare reasons or due to job loss when they already have kids are not tradwives imo....tradwives focus on traditional homemaking activities (so it's not just about not working), have children starting at a young age, and either never work or at the very least don't work after the birth of the first kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “successful” trad wife will be hot so that a man wants to settle down and be with her. But she will also be submissive so he can do what he wants. But she will also be attractive enough and able to “bounce back” after having 7 kids between the ages of 22-29 so that she can create a monetized social media account in which she creates trad wife/mommy vlogger content. There may also be some family money involved for these “high status” couples.

Also, I don’t necessarily think the trad wife marries the red piller. I think the red piller is too busy marinating on their parents’ basement angry the hot girls won’t talk to them and strategizing pickup lines while judging women who won’t sleep with them for being whores.

The trad wives marry the trad men. Many blue collar (but management level) and/or who they met through a religious community where traditional gender norms and the male as the leader of the household ideology is pushed. These men have their own weirdness but they can get girls and aren’t incels.

Also you know they love the $ from their wives social media accounts, but resent being made to smile for cheesy family content.

I'm not a fan of the tradwife style, but I think you're right. Unfortunately the redpill incels SEE people like balerina farm and idolize it, and since they are so terrible with women, end up going to third world countries and trying to buy an impoverished woman who will be their slave. It's not regular tradwives that are "targeted" by these men, they seek out marginalized women who will put up with their sh*t long enough to get a green card.

Also, being a tradwife isn't about just not working. SAHMs are not all tradwives!

Tradwives are docile and let the man lead, and tradwives have traditional female interests, and have a feminine demeanor.

Some of these men go overseas because of stereotypes about women from other cultures being more likely to be docile, feminine, have feminine interests, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

Funny how you didn't "spend much time with them" or "show your kids something else" until your pay declined. So you were fine being a working mom, not seeing your kids and teaching them how to make money when you actually could make money? And what changed?

Quite the irony to shit on working moms when you only stopped working not a) because you wanted to spend more time with your children or b) raise them to value something other than money, but only because c) you lost a job in the recession. Youre a hypocritical POS who couldn't crack it outside the home and had to come back with your tail between your legs. But sure, tell us all how you're such an anti-corporate hippy now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Men in their 20s rarely want to settle down or take anything seriously. So, they need to find much older men? And if the man lies or cheats or uses her, it’s her fault for not being able to read minds and know his intentions? But if she withholds sex and demands marriage…that’s also bad, apparently?

Now the economics of it all. Tradwife at 22? Stay at home? One income, IN THIS ECONOMY? This requires her to only aspire to marry rich. But then it’s her fault for being a gold digger.


One income is simply too risky.

As someone who comes from a background (Mennonite) where trad life was just "life", I have bolded what I consider to be false premises. Yes, if you are using some very online caricature of a "tradwife" then you can use almost any premise and reach almost any conclusion you want.

But from my background, and even from non-Mennonites I grew up with who had traditional values, none of the above is true. The truth, in my experience is this:
-Men in their late teens and early 20s did indeed want to settle down and get married
-Marriages are typically between people in the same age range
-Adultery is he fault of the adulterer, always
-It was expected that, although difficult to achieve, sex would wait until marriage
-You can definitely still do it on one income, but not in the beltway

Mennonites, the ones known for cousin marriage? You want to give marriage advice from the community that marries their cousins???????

You're thinking of the Amish. The Amish broke off from the Mennonites over 300 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “successful” trad wife will be hot so that a man wants to settle down and be with her. But she will also be submissive so he can do what he wants. But she will also be attractive enough and able to “bounce back” after having 7 kids between the ages of 22-29 so that she can create a monetized social media account in which she creates trad wife/mommy vlogger content. There may also be some family money involved for these “high status” couples.

Also, I don’t necessarily think the trad wife marries the red piller. I think the red piller is too busy marinating on their parents’ basement angry the hot girls won’t talk to them and strategizing pickup lines while judging women who won’t sleep with them for being whores.

The trad wives marry the trad men. Many blue collar (but management level) and/or who they met through a religious community where traditional gender norms and the male as the leader of the household ideology is pushed. These men have their own weirdness but they can get girls and aren’t incels.

Also you know they love the $ from their wives social media accounts, but resent being made to smile for cheesy family content.

I'm not a fan of the tradwife style, but I think you're right. Unfortunately the redpill incels SEE people like balerina farm and idolize it, and since they are so terrible with women, end up going to third world countries and trying to buy an impoverished woman who will be their slave. It's not regular tradwives that are "targeted" by these men, they seek out marginalized women who will put up with their sh*t long enough to get a green card.

Also, being a tradwife isn't about just not working. SAHMs are not all tradwives!

Tradwives are docile and let the man lead, and tradwives have traditional female interests, and have a feminine demeanor.

Some of these men go overseas because of stereotypes about women from other cultures being more likely to be docile, feminine, have feminine interests, etc.

Uh no, that's racist passport bro propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Men in their 20s rarely want to settle down or take anything seriously. So, they need to find much older men? And if the man lies or cheats or uses her, it’s her fault for not being able to read minds and know his intentions? But if she withholds sex and demands marriage…that’s also bad, apparently?

Now the economics of it all. Tradwife at 22? Stay at home? One income, IN THIS ECONOMY? This requires her to only aspire to marry rich. But then it’s her fault for being a gold digger.


One income is simply too risky.

As someone who comes from a background (Mennonite) where trad life was just "life", I have bolded what I consider to be false premises. Yes, if you are using some very online caricature of a "tradwife" then you can use almost any premise and reach almost any conclusion you want.

But from my background, and even from non-Mennonites I grew up with who had traditional values, none of the above is true. The truth, in my experience is this:
-Men in their late teens and early 20s did indeed want to settle down and get married
-Marriages are typically between people in the same age range
-Adultery is he fault of the adulterer, always
-It was expected that, although difficult to achieve, sex would wait until marriage
-You can definitely still do it on one income, but not in the beltway

Mennonites, the ones known for cousin marriage? You want to give marriage advice from the community that marries their cousins???????

You're thinking of the Amish. The Amish broke off from the Mennonites over 300 years ago.

No, I'm thinking of Mennonites.

"Mennonites, particularly in closely-knit or conservative communities, have historically practiced endogamy (marrying within the group), which has led to instances of cousin marriage, similar to other isolated rural populations. Data indicates that marriage among first and second cousins was, and in some conservative sects still is, relatively common compared to modern secular society, often driven by the small, isolated nature of the communities. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

Wow this is some next level tradwife fanfic. GTFOH with this shit that never happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Men in their 20s rarely want to settle down or take anything seriously. So, they need to find much older men? And if the man lies or cheats or uses her, it’s her fault for not being able to read minds and know his intentions? But if she withholds sex and demands marriage…that’s also bad, apparently?

Now the economics of it all. Tradwife at 22? Stay at home? One income, IN THIS ECONOMY? This requires her to only aspire to marry rich. But then it’s her fault for being a gold digger.


One income is simply too risky.

As someone who comes from a background (Mennonite) where trad life was just "life", I have bolded what I consider to be false premises. Yes, if you are using some very online caricature of a "tradwife" then you can use almost any premise and reach almost any conclusion you want.

But from my background, and even from non-Mennonites I grew up with who had traditional values, none of the above is true. The truth, in my experience is this:
-Men in their late teens and early 20s did indeed want to settle down and get married
-Marriages are typically between people in the same age range
-Adultery is he fault of the adulterer, always
-It was expected that, although difficult to achieve, sex would wait until marriage
-You can definitely still do it on one income, but not in the beltway

Mennonites, the ones known for cousin marriage? You want to give marriage advice from the community that marries their cousins???????

You're thinking of the Amish. The Amish broke off from the Mennonites over 300 years ago.

No, I'm thinking of Mennonites.

"Mennonites, particularly in closely-knit or conservative communities, have historically practiced endogamy (marrying within the group), which has led to instances of cousin marriage, similar to other isolated rural populations. Data indicates that marriage among first and second cousins was, and in some conservative sects still is, relatively common compared to modern secular society, often driven by the small, isolated nature of the communities. "

I'll take a quote with no citation for what it's worth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am trad wife and my husband is the complete opposite of red pill. We are both pretty liberal.
He doesn’t demand that I am a housewife. It was a decision we made together. I wanted it and he was ok with that. The traditional “gender roles” come naturally to us and we just go with that.

It works for us without the need to follow some script or ideology.

That’s awesome, but, how does that work for the average person financially? You either have to have family money, or have one partner be able to earn a lot of money to save and invest very early on to make that happen. And yes I’m aware of the “two income trap” that is largely attributed to childcare costs, but in terms of the modern (post-2008 recession) economy, even high-paying white collar jobs are not stable anymore. Good Lord, you hear of software engineers selling their possessions and becoming Uber drivers. It just seems like relying on a single earner is very risky. It may work for you out of a series of fortunate events or perfectly-timed good decisions but I don’t see how that can work for an average American family.

I made a lot of money early on in my career and saved/invested about 80% of it. Yes DH has a great income and allows us a lot of flexibility. Even without his income, this is stilll the life we choose, just in a smaller house driving cheaper car with less "luxeries".

Hon, it's luxuries.