Flagship Avoidance

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Anonymous wrote:How do you convince DC that flagship state schools are not all that they seem? DC is at a small private and is obsessed with finding the “college experience” of football, social life, community etc but has always been in small classes, small social circles, easy access to resources etc.

This is a description of most public state flagship Honors Colleges.

I actually don't understand this point whatsoever. Honors Colleges only have small classes for the specific classes required by the Honors College...it's not like they offer their own sections for someone who wants to major in Engineering or Finance or the other very popular majors. Now, perhaps those upper level classes on their own are not huge.

I know just as many kids who dropped out of the Honor College because of the extra bullshit they had to do, as ones that remained in the Honors College.

Not true at SC either. Classes in all majors with honors college sections. Yes, including finance and engineering

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do you convince DC that flagship state schools are not all that they seem? DC is at a small private and is obsessed with finding the “college experience” of football, social life, community etc but has always been in small classes, small social circles, easy access to resources etc.

This is a description of most public state flagship Honors Colleges.

I actually don't understand this point whatsoever. Honors Colleges only have small classes for the specific classes required by the Honors College...it's not like they offer their own sections for someone who wants to major in Engineering or Finance or the other very popular majors. Now, perhaps those upper level classes on their own are not huge.

I know just as many kids who dropped out of the Honor College because of the extra bullshit they had to do, as ones that remained in the Honors College.

Not true at SC either. Classes in all majors with honors college sections. Yes, including finance and engineering

That’s not what my kid’s best friend in the Honors College at SC says…but maybe that kid is picking very unique classes within the finance major…or maybe the honors section just doesn’t work for their schedule.

It seems inconceivable to me that every major and every class somehow can have honors-only classes, unless a huge percentage of the schools is honors.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you convince DC that flagship state schools are not all that they seem? DC is at a small private and is obsessed with finding the “college experience” of football, social life, community etc but has always been in small classes, small social circles, easy access to resources etc.

This is a description of most public state flagship Honors Colleges.

I actually don't understand this point whatsoever. Honors Colleges only have small classes for the specific classes required by the Honors College...it's not like they offer their own sections for someone who wants to major in Engineering or Finance or the other very popular majors. Now, perhaps those upper level classes on their own are not huge.

I know just as many kids who dropped out of the Honor College because of the extra bullshit they had to do, as ones that remained in the Honors College.

Not true at SC either. Classes in all majors with honors college sections. Yes, including finance and engineering

That’s not what my kid’s best friend in the Honors College at SC says…but maybe that kid is picking very unique classes within the finance major…or maybe the honors section just doesn’t work for their schedule.

It seems inconceivable to me that every major and every class somehow can have honors-only classes, unless a huge percentage of the schools is honors.

Why would this be “inconceivable”? Most honors colleges are larger than LACs.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you convince DC that flagship state schools are not all that they seem? DC is at a small private and is obsessed with finding the “college experience” of football, social life, community etc but has always been in small classes, small social circles, easy access to resources etc.

This is a description of most public state flagship Honors Colleges.

I actually don't understand this point whatsoever. Honors Colleges only have small classes for the specific classes required by the Honors College...it's not like they offer their own sections for someone who wants to major in Engineering or Finance or the other very popular majors. Now, perhaps those upper level classes on their own are not huge.

I know just as many kids who dropped out of the Honor College because of the extra bullshit they had to do, as ones that remained in the Honors College.

Not true at SC either. Classes in all majors with honors college sections. Yes, including finance and engineering

That’s not what my kid’s best friend in the Honors College at SC says…but maybe that kid is picking very unique classes within the finance major…or maybe the honors section just doesn’t work for their schedule.

It seems inconceivable to me that every major and every class somehow can have honors-only classes, unless a huge percentage of the schools is honors.

Why would this be “inconceivable”? Most honors colleges are larger than LACs.

Yes...and LACs have far fewer majors than flagship colleges as a result. Many LACs have no business and offer minimal engineering as examples.

So, if you are claiming that Honors Colleges allow you to take completely separate classes for all your classes for a very specific subset of majors, I would believe you...however, to claim that exists for every major is in fact inconceivable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid went to a small private high school and wanted nothing to do with smaller private colleges because of this. He wanted a change. He's currently at a top OOS public and loving it. Your kid knows what's best for them and what will make them happy. Let it be.

This was me. I was tired of small school bs and wanted a bigger pond.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you convince DC that flagship state schools are not all that they seem? DC is at a small private and is obsessed with finding the “college experience” of football, social life, community etc but has always been in small classes, small social circles, easy access to resources etc.

This is a description of most public state flagship Honors Colleges.

I actually don't understand this point whatsoever. Honors Colleges only have small classes for the specific classes required by the Honors College...it's not like they offer their own sections for someone who wants to major in Engineering or Finance or the other very popular majors. Now, perhaps those upper level classes on their own are not huge.

I know just as many kids who dropped out of the Honor College because of the extra bullshit they had to do, as ones that remained in the Honors College.

Not true at SC either. Classes in all majors with honors college sections. Yes, including finance and engineering

That’s not what my kid’s best friend in the Honors College at SC says…but maybe that kid is picking very unique classes within the finance major…or maybe the honors section just doesn’t work for their schedule.

It seems inconceivable to me that every major and every class somehow can have honors-only classes, unless a huge percentage of the schools is honors.

Why would this be “inconceivable”? Most honors colleges are larger than LACs.

Yes...and LACs have far fewer majors than flagship colleges as a result. Many LACs have no business and offer minimal engineering as examples.

So, if you are claiming that Honors Colleges allow you to take completely separate classes for all your classes for a very specific subset of majors, I would believe you...however, to claim that exists for every major is in fact inconceivable.

I’m not sure I see why this is an issue. The large courses people are trying to avoid are available in honors versions. The niche majors have small classes to start with, and aren’t available at smaller schools anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you convince DC that flagship state schools are not all that they seem? DC is at a small private and is obsessed with finding the “college experience” of football, social life, community etc but has always been in small classes, small social circles, easy access to resources etc.

This is a description of most public state flagship Honors Colleges.

I actually don't understand this point whatsoever. Honors Colleges only have small classes for the specific classes required by the Honors College...it's not like they offer their own sections for someone who wants to major in Engineering or Finance or the other very popular majors. Now, perhaps those upper level classes on their own are not huge.

I know just as many kids who dropped out of the Honor College because of the extra bullshit they had to do, as ones that remained in the Honors College.

Not true at SC either. Classes in all majors with honors college sections. Yes, including finance and engineering

That’s not what my kid’s best friend in the Honors College at SC says…but maybe that kid is picking very unique classes within the finance major…or maybe the honors section just doesn’t work for their schedule.

It seems inconceivable to me that every major and every class somehow can have honors-only classes, unless a huge percentage of the schools is honors.

Why would this be “inconceivable”? Most honors colleges are larger than LACs.

Yes...and LACs have far fewer majors than flagship colleges as a result. Many LACs have no business and offer minimal engineering as examples.

So, if you are claiming that Honors Colleges allow you to take completely separate classes for all your classes for a very specific subset of majors, I would believe you...however, to claim that exists for every major is in fact inconceivable.

I’m not sure I see why this is an issue. The large courses people are trying to avoid are available in honors versions. The niche majors have small classes to start with, and aren’t available at smaller schools anyway.

It's not necessarily an issue...but an attempt to set the actual facts straight. I think what you are saying is there are honors sections for large intro classes, however, once you start taking specialized courses within a major, then you will take classes with everyone.

Just a ton of misinformation on what Honors Colleges actually are and are not...and yes, they differ sometimes wildly across schools as well so you need to understand how UMD Honors is different from Penn State Honors et al.

[Anonymous]

I think you tell them that being a small fish in a big pond is terrible and no one will know their name + think they're poor + couldn't afford anything more + couldn't get in anywhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you tell them that being a small fish in a big pond is terrible and no one will know their name + think they're poor + couldn't afford anything more + couldn't get in anywhere else.

lol WTF. There are plenty of UMC kids at large flagships.

People will think you are an elitist snob.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't but I can share that my private school kid has really struggled with the transition to the flagship public. They thought they wanted the whole rah-rah scene (couldn't wait to get out of the small private!) but they deeply miss the small classes, relationships with teachers, small social circles. They feel lost in the crowd (despite having friends, going to office hours, all the things..)

You can find all those things at a big flagship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you tell them that being a small fish in a big pond is terrible and no one will know their name + think they're poor + couldn't afford anything more + couldn't get in anywhere else.

Classic example of someone who has never experienced a large school and is desperate to pretend otherwise. Bless your heart.

[Anonymous]

Don’t worry about it guys, they won’t see us poors coming

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do you convince DC that flagship state schools are not all that they seem? DC is at a small private and is obsessed with finding the “college experience” of football, social life, community etc but has always been in small classes, small social circles, easy access to resources etc.

You don’t. But encourage apps to a few smaller schools along with the flagships. Maybe once acceptances are in, go see the flagships and insist on at least seeing some smaller schools DC gets into. Maybe once DC sees the reality, DC will chance their mind. Probably not, but at least it will be a more informed decision.

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Encourage your kid to apply to schools of all sizes, have discussions with them (and with current students at your flagship) about what life is really like. For a kid who has had HS in a smaller environment, a 20K+ undergrad experience might not be the best. So help your kid to understand all the positives of smaller (5-8K or less) and what 20-25K+ really means (as in 200-300+ in a class, etc)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you convince DC that flagship state schools are not all that they seem? DC is at a small private and is obsessed with finding the “college experience” of football, social life, community etc but has always been in small classes, small social circles, easy access to resources etc.

You don’t. But encourage apps to a few smaller schools along with the flagships. Maybe once acceptances are in, go see the flagships and insist on at least seeing some smaller schools DC gets into. Maybe once DC sees the reality, DC will chance their mind. Probably not, but at least it will be a more informed decision.

+1

Encourage your kid to apply to schools of all sizes, have discussions with them (and with current students at your flagship) about what life is really like. For a kid who has had HS in a smaller environment, a 20K+ undergrad experience might not be the best. So help your kid to understand all the positives of smaller (5-8K or less) and what 20-25K+ really means (as in 200-300+ in a class, etc)

Seriously, this nonsense again? Please name the school that has 200-300 in a class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How do you convince DC that flagship state schools are not all that they seem? DC is at a small private and is obsessed with finding the “college experience” of football, social life, community etc but has always been in small classes, small social circles, easy access to resources etc.

You don’t. But encourage apps to a few smaller schools along with the flagships. Maybe once acceptances are in, go see the flagships and insist on at least seeing some smaller schools DC gets into. Maybe once DC sees the reality, DC will chance their mind. Probably not, but at least it will be a more informed decision.

+1

Encourage your kid to apply to schools of all sizes, have discussions with them (and with current students at your flagship) about what life is really like. For a kid who has had HS in a smaller environment, a 20K+ undergrad experience might not be the best. So help your kid to understand all the positives of smaller (5-8K or less) and what 20-25K+ really means (as in 200-300+ in a class, etc)

Seriously, this nonsense again? Please name the school that has 200-300 in a class.

“Have discussions with them about what life is really like.”

*Proceeds to give guidance that is inaccurate.*