Hegseth Ordered Second Strike to Kill Caribbean Boat Survivors

[Anonymous]

Looks like Admiral Bradley will be the fall guy. NYT reporting that 5 US officials say that Hegseth ordered the lethal strike but not the killing of survivors. I wonder who these officials are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/01/us/hegseth-drug-boat-strike-order-venezuela.html?unlocked_article_code=1.5k8.-yHq.zVOjPTQjYJiI&smid=url-share

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The White House is trying to throw the admiral under the bus. THIS is why you don't obey illegal orders.

Yep, using his name over and over and over. It’s just going to further tank Hesgeth’s reputation within the military. Follow his illegal orders and get thrown under the bus at the first sign of trouble.

The Admiral wanted that promotion. Trump made him an Admiral and then he was moved into this position in October when the other guy said, "deuces, I'm out. I am not following that order to shoot civilian boats out of the water". I mean what did this Admiral expect was going to happen - Trump would protect him. We will see.

Here is the thing. There is a piece of paper with admiral Frank M. Bradley signature showing he fully understands killing civilians and or ship wreck survivors is against US law. He is done. Hegseth will get a pardon but is still liable for damages. Accepting a pardon means legally you are guilty. The admiral and everyone else in the chain of command is f’ed- prison time, lose of benefits, reduction of rank, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Admiral Bradley will be the fall guy. NYT reporting that 5 US officials say that Hegseth ordered the lethal strike but not the killing of survivors. I wonder who these officials are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/01/us/hegseth-drug-boat-strike-order-venezuela.html?unlocked_article_code=1.5k8.-yHq.zVOjPTQjYJiI&smid=url-share

It is unacceptable that these officials are not named in the story. You know one is Hegseth and the others four are covering for him. Funny how admiral Bradley’s name is in the story but the 5 officials are not. Oh well there is an official order some place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The White House is trying to throw the admiral under the bus. THIS is why you don't obey illegal orders.

Yep, using his name over and over and over. It’s just going to further tank Hesgeth’s reputation within the military. Follow his illegal orders and get thrown under the bus at the first sign of trouble.

The Admiral wanted that promotion. Trump made him an Admiral and then he was moved into this position in October when the other guy said, "deuces, I'm out. I am not following that order to shoot civilian boats out of the water". I mean what did this Admiral expect was going to happen - Trump would protect him. We will see.

Here is the thing. There is a piece of paper with admiral Frank M. Bradley signature showing he fully understands killing civilians and or ship wreck survivors is against US law. He is done. Hegseth will get a pardon but is still liable for damages. Accepting a pardon means legally you are guilty. The admiral and everyone else in the chain of command is f’ed- prison time, lose of benefits, reduction of rank, etc.

They won’t face any consequences under the Trump administration.

[Anonymous]

In his defense, we all know that Hegseth doesn’t know anything about military strikes so probably didn’t know the second strike was illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The White House is trying to throw the admiral under the bus. THIS is why you don't obey illegal orders.

Yep, using his name over and over and over. It’s just going to further tank Hesgeth’s reputation within the military. Follow his illegal orders and get thrown under the bus at the first sign of trouble.

The Admiral wanted that promotion. Trump made him an Admiral and then he was moved into this position in October when the other guy said, "deuces, I'm out. I am not following that order to shoot civilian boats out of the water". I mean what did this Admiral expect was going to happen - Trump would protect him. We will see.

Here is the thing. There is a piece of paper with admiral Frank M. Bradley signature showing he fully understands killing civilians and or ship wreck survivors is against US law. He is done. Hegseth will get a pardon but is still liable for damages. Accepting a pardon means legally you are guilty. The admiral and everyone else in the chain of command is f’ed- prison time, lose of benefits, reduction of rank, etc.

They won’t face any consequences under the Trump administration.

Not so sure. Republican congresspeople and senators are under pressure and at risk of losing their seats.

[Anonymous]

If I was someone who was all into this country I would be having a cow. I mean what Trump has made this country into by the people he put into leadership positions... no words.

I'm someone that isn't a huge patriotic flag waving person but everyone who is - not sure how you sleep at night. I'd be taking that flag down from my house and feel not so proud of our country. To suggest differently is to legitimize what is currently happening to the state of the nation. It's a travesty in every way - foreign and domestic policy wise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I was someone who was all into this country I would be having a cow. I mean what Trump has made this country into by the people he put into leadership positions... no words.

I'm someone that isn't a huge patriotic flag waving person but everyone who is - not sure how you sleep at night. I'd be taking that flag down from my house and feel not so proud of our country. To suggest differently is to legitimize what is currently happening to the state of the nation. It's a travesty in every way - foreign and domestic policy wise.

Your comment relies more on emotionally charged rhetoric than on a reasoned argument. You make broad generalizations about the country, its leadership, and anyone who considers themselves patriotic, and you frame disagreement as a moral failing. The shaming language (“not sure how you sleep at night”) and catastrophic claims (“a travesty in every way”) are meant to provoke guilt and outrage rather than offer evidence. You also create a false dilemma by suggesting that anyone who doesn’t share your exact view is “legitimizing” what you oppose, while dividing people into “flag-waving patriots” versus those who supposedly see the truth more clearly. Overall, the message relies on exaggeration, identity-based attacks, and emotional pressure instead of clear reasoning or constructive critique.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The White House is trying to throw the admiral under the bus. THIS is why you don't obey illegal orders.

Yep, using his name over and over and over. It’s just going to further tank Hesgeth’s reputation within the military. Follow his illegal orders and get thrown under the bus at the first sign of trouble.

The Admiral wanted that promotion. Trump made him an Admiral and then he was moved into this position in October when the other guy said, "deuces, I'm out. I am not following that order to shoot civilian boats out of the water". I mean what did this Admiral expect was going to happen - Trump would protect him. We will see.

Here is the thing. There is a piece of paper with admiral Frank M. Bradley signature showing he fully understands killing civilians and or ship wreck survivors is against US law. He is done. Hegseth will get a pardon but is still liable for damages. Accepting a pardon means legally you are guilty. The admiral and everyone else in the chain of command is f’ed- prison time, lose of benefits, reduction of rank, etc.

What you’re saying doesn’t really hold up because you’re jumping from a signed policy document straight to “this person is guilty” without showing any actual evidence that they broke the rule. Signing something that says you understand the law isn’t the same as proof you violated it. You’re also treating a pardon like it automatically means someone is legally guilty, which isn’t how that works. And saying everyone up the chain of command is “done” just because something happened is basically guilt by association, not a logical point. Predicting prison time, loss of benefits, or rank reductions as if they’re guaranteed skips over the entire legal process that would have to happen first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Admiral Bradley will be the fall guy. NYT reporting that 5 US officials say that Hegseth ordered the lethal strike but not the killing of survivors. I wonder who these officials are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/01/us/hegseth-drug-boat-strike-order-venezuela.html?unlocked_article_code=1.5k8.-yHq.zVOjPTQjYJiI&smid=url-share

It is unacceptable that these officials are not named in the story. You know one is Hegseth and the others four are covering for him. Funny how admiral Bradley’s name is in the story but the 5 officials are not. Oh well there is an official order some place.

Unacceptable to who?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I was someone who was all into this country I would be having a cow. I mean what Trump has made this country into by the people he put into leadership positions... no words.

I'm someone that isn't a huge patriotic flag waving person but everyone who is - not sure how you sleep at night. I'd be taking that flag down from my house and feel not so proud of our country. To suggest differently is to legitimize what is currently happening to the state of the nation. It's a travesty in every way - foreign and domestic policy wise.

Your comment relies more on emotionally charged rhetoric than on a reasoned argument. You make broad generalizations about the country, its leadership, and anyone who considers themselves patriotic, and you frame disagreement as a moral failing. The shaming language (“not sure how you sleep at night”) and catastrophic claims (“a travesty in every way”) are meant to provoke guilt and outrage rather than offer evidence. You also create a false dilemma by suggesting that anyone who doesn’t share your exact view is “legitimizing” what you oppose, while dividing people into “flag-waving patriots” versus those who supposedly see the truth more clearly. Overall, the message relies on exaggeration, identity-based attacks, and emotional pressure instead of clear reasoning or constructive critique.

OK Professor Word Salad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I was someone who was all into this country I would be having a cow. I mean what Trump has made this country into by the people he put into leadership positions... no words.

I'm someone that isn't a huge patriotic flag waving person but everyone who is - not sure how you sleep at night. I'd be taking that flag down from my house and feel not so proud of our country. To suggest differently is to legitimize what is currently happening to the state of the nation. It's a travesty in every way - foreign and domestic policy wise.

Your comment relies more on emotionally charged rhetoric than on a reasoned argument. You make broad generalizations about the country, its leadership, and anyone who considers themselves patriotic, and you frame disagreement as a moral failing. The shaming language (“not sure how you sleep at night”) and catastrophic claims (“a travesty in every way”) are meant to provoke guilt and outrage rather than offer evidence. You also create a false dilemma by suggesting that anyone who doesn’t share your exact view is “legitimizing” what you oppose, while dividing people into “flag-waving patriots” versus those who supposedly see the truth more clearly. Overall, the message relies on exaggeration, identity-based attacks, and emotional pressure instead of clear reasoning or constructive critique.

Nice AI analysis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I was someone who was all into this country I would be having a cow. I mean what Trump has made this country into by the people he put into leadership positions... no words.

I'm someone that isn't a huge patriotic flag waving person but everyone who is - not sure how you sleep at night. I'd be taking that flag down from my house and feel not so proud of our country. To suggest differently is to legitimize what is currently happening to the state of the nation. It's a travesty in every way - foreign and domestic policy wise.

Your comment relies more on emotionally charged rhetoric than on a reasoned argument. You make broad generalizations about the country, its leadership, and anyone who considers themselves patriotic, and you frame disagreement as a moral failing. The shaming language (“not sure how you sleep at night”) and catastrophic claims (“a travesty in every way”) are meant to provoke guilt and outrage rather than offer evidence. You also create a false dilemma by suggesting that anyone who doesn’t share your exact view is “legitimizing” what you oppose, while dividing people into “flag-waving patriots” versus those who supposedly see the truth more clearly. Overall, the message relies on exaggeration, identity-based attacks, and emotional pressure instead of clear reasoning or constructive critique.

Nice AI analysis.

Analysis is a response to propaganda

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Admiral Bradley will be the fall guy. NYT reporting that 5 US officials say that Hegseth ordered the lethal strike but not the killing of survivors. I wonder who these officials are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/01/us/hegseth-drug-boat-strike-order-venezuela.html?unlocked_article_code=1.5k8.-yHq.zVOjPTQjYJiI&smid=url-share

They’re going to blame him but he’s also guilty. He 110% knew it was an illegal order and he should have just resigned instead. His fault.

He’s no victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The White House is trying to throw the admiral under the bus. THIS is why you don't obey illegal orders.

Yep, using his name over and over and over. It’s just going to further tank Hesgeth’s reputation within the military. Follow his illegal orders and get thrown under the bus at the first sign of trouble.

The Admiral wanted that promotion. Trump made him an Admiral and then he was moved into this position in October when the other guy said, "deuces, I'm out. I am not following that order to shoot civilian boats out of the water". I mean what did this Admiral expect was going to happen - Trump would protect him. We will see.

Here is the thing. There is a piece of paper with admiral Frank M. Bradley signature showing he fully understands killing civilians and or ship wreck survivors is against US law. He is done. Hegseth will get a pardon but is still liable for damages. Accepting a pardon means legally you are guilty. The admiral and everyone else in the chain of command is f’ed- prison time, lose of benefits, reduction of rank, etc.

They won’t face any consequences under the Trump administration.

Not so sure. Republican congresspeople and senators are under pressure and at risk of losing their seats.

Trump is pardoning hedge funders who bilked thousands of investors and a Honduran president/drug lord-and that’s just this week. I absolutely think he would pardon an admiral who could sing like a canary and say that Hegseth or even Trump himself told him to blow everyone out of the water. Civilians and all.