Did your DC apply to a LAC with ED (or ED1)?

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1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

PP's logic is sound. If there's no clear #1 and you weren't going to shoot your shot anywhere in ED round except for WASP LAC, you don't hurt yourself by appying ED to a LAC to bank a slightly easier admission rate. It's not much higher than RD, but it is even if you take out athletes etc.

You seem unnecessarily combative with strangers.

Math is not your friend. Do the math out. Male RD rate for unhooked applicant is much lower at Williams, but believe what you will. Your logic is flawed. You seem unnecessarily ignorant and you are leading “strangers” astray because of it. Not cool.

I have made one comment on this thread and several other posters have replied similarly in their comments - how am I "leading strangers astray"??

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree w EDing to your dream, if money pencils out.

Don’t let your moms scare you off, kids.

Well, what if their dream is HYPs but they have no chance? What if their chances ED at Williams are the same if unhooked — no chance? Double-standards at play here…

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

PP's logic is sound. If there's no clear #1 and you weren't going to shoot your shot anywhere in ED round except for WASP LAC, you don't hurt yourself by appying ED to a LAC to bank a slightly easier admission rate. It's not much higher than RD, but it is even if you take out athletes etc.

You seem unnecessarily combative with strangers.

Math is not your friend. Do the math out. Male RD rate for unhooked applicant is much lower at Williams, but believe what you will. Your logic is flawed. You seem unnecessarily ignorant and you are leading “strangers” astray because of it. Not cool.

I have made one comment on this thread and several other posters have replied similarly in their comments - how am I "leading strangers astray"??

RD admit rate. Williams. Unhooked. Much higher than ED. You posted the opposite. I guess you are not leading strangers astray if everyone sees that you are wrong. Point taken.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree w EDing to your dream, if money pencils out.

Don’t let your moms scare you off, kids.

Well, what if their dream is HYPs but they have no chance? What if their chances ED at Williams are the same if unhooked — no chance? Double-standards at play here…

Then go ahead and ED to your dream and let the chips fall where they do? At least you won't have any regrets that way.

Also, this year there will be a lot of action in the RD rounds to fall back on if you don't get in ED to your #1 choice. Why settle just for certainty at a lower choice if it's a lower choice?

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree w EDing to your dream, if money pencils out.

Don’t let your moms scare you off, kids.

Well, what if their dream is HYPs but they have no chance? What if their chances ED at Williams are the same if unhooked — no chance? Double-standards at play here…

My son applied SCEA to Princeton and you would have said they had no chance. They def didn’t have a BETTER chance SCEA over RD on paper. But it was their dream and .. they got in.

Are you saying this kid has no chance? That’s bs.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree w EDing to your dream, if money pencils out.

Don’t let your moms scare you off, kids.

Well, what if their dream is HYPs but they have no chance? What if their chances ED at Williams are the same if unhooked — no chance? Double-standards at play here…

You’ve decided this applicant now has no chance? Cmon

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Agree. Indicating the school is your clear first choice offers a boost, even if a relatively small one. I've posted elsewhere that my DC applied ED to a WASP. They got in, and the 13 kids who applied RD did not. The stats were there but otherwise unhooked, so who knows if they would have been among the 1-2 typically admitted if in the larger RD pool.

Is the desired outcome to get into only one school? Or is the desired outcome to get into a great school? If the desired outcome is to get into only one school, the chances of getting into a great school are lowered exponentially. If kid is OK with this outcome, i.e. the 98% rejection chance, suffering the vagaries of the ED round, and cool with the likelihood of attending a low target or safety, then so be it. But what you will often find is that the kid is definitely not OK with that but, like many posters on this thread, have not thought about it/think the risks are far different than they actually are.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

PP's logic is sound. If there's no clear #1 and you weren't going to shoot your shot anywhere in ED round except for WASP LAC, you don't hurt yourself by appying ED to a LAC to bank a slightly easier admission rate. It's not much higher than RD, but it is even if you take out athletes etc.

You seem unnecessarily combative with strangers.

Math is not your friend. Do the math out. Male RD rate for unhooked applicant is much lower at Williams, but believe what you will. Your logic is flawed. You seem unnecessarily ignorant and you are leading “strangers” astray because of it. Not cool.

I have made one comment on this thread and several other posters have replied similarly in their comments - how am I "leading strangers astray"??

RD admit rate. Williams. Unhooked. Much higher than ED. You posted the opposite. I guess you are not leading strangers astray if everyone sees that you are wrong. Point taken.

?? ED rate at Williams is 26.6%, RD is 7.3%. Even if we assume that ED is as much as 66% of the pool derived from recruited athletes plus other hooks, that's still an acceptance rate of 9% versus 7%.

And I doubt 66% of the ED pool is recruited athletes plus other hooks.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree w EDing to your dream, if money pencils out.

Don’t let your moms scare you off, kids.

Well, what if their dream is HYPs but they have no chance? What if their chances ED at Williams are the same if unhooked — no chance? Double-standards at play here…

You’ve decided this applicant now has no chance? Cmon

Oh, I am sorry. We don’t know that the applicant has no chance. Most of the applicants in that category have a 0% chance (these applications are not a lottery ticket, where everyone has a 4% or whatever chance; most have a 0% chance, some have a 10% chance, some a 40% chance etc.)

So it is only likely that said applicant has a 0% chance. But I am sure you have thought about this already: you seem the thoughtful type.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

PP's logic is sound. If there's no clear #1 and you weren't going to shoot your shot anywhere in ED round except for WASP LAC, you don't hurt yourself by appying ED to a LAC to bank a slightly easier admission rate. It's not much higher than RD, but it is even if you take out athletes etc.

You seem unnecessarily combative with strangers.

Math is not your friend. Do the math out. Male RD rate for unhooked applicant is much lower at Williams, but believe what you will. Your logic is flawed. You seem unnecessarily ignorant and you are leading “strangers” astray because of it. Not cool.

I have made one comment on this thread and several other posters have replied similarly in their comments - how am I "leading strangers astray"??

RD admit rate. Williams. Unhooked. Much higher than ED. You posted the opposite. I guess you are not leading strangers astray if everyone sees that you are wrong. Point taken.

?? ED rate at Williams is 26.6%, RD is 7.3%. Even if we assume that ED is as much as 66% of the pool derived from recruited athletes plus other hooks, that's still an acceptance rate of 9% versus 7%.

And I doubt 66% of the ED pool is recruited athletes plus other hooks.

No, it is higher.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

PP's logic is sound. If there's no clear #1 and you weren't going to shoot your shot anywhere in ED round except for WASP LAC, you don't hurt yourself by appying ED to a LAC to bank a slightly easier admission rate. It's not much higher than RD, but it is even if you take out athletes etc.

You seem unnecessarily combative with strangers.

Math is not your friend. Do the math out. Male RD rate for unhooked applicant is much lower at Williams, but believe what you will. Your logic is flawed. You seem unnecessarily ignorant and you are leading “strangers” astray because of it. Not cool.

I have made one comment on this thread and several other posters have replied similarly in their comments - how am I "leading strangers astray"??

RD admit rate. Williams. Unhooked. Much higher than ED. You posted the opposite. I guess you are not leading strangers astray if everyone sees that you are wrong. Point taken.

?? ED rate at Williams is 26.6%, RD is 7.3%. Even if we assume that ED is as much as 66% of the pool derived from recruited athletes plus other hooks, that's still an acceptance rate of 9% versus 7%.

And I doubt 66% of the ED pool is recruited athletes plus other hooks.

No, it is higher.

how much higher? athletes, legacy, donors, FGLI, URM combined.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.
Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

I hope you were looking in a mirror as you typed.

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CAN WE MOVE ON? Please. Or start a new thread.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Agree. Indicating the school is your clear first choice offers a boost, even if a relatively small one. I've posted elsewhere that my DC applied ED to a WASP. They got in, and the 13 kids who applied RD did not. The stats were there but otherwise unhooked, so who knows if they would have been among the 1-2 typically admitted if in the larger RD pool.

Is the desired outcome to get into only one school? Or is the desired outcome to get into a great school? If the desired outcome is to get into only one school, the chances of getting into a great school are lowered exponentially. If kid is OK with this outcome, i.e. the 98% rejection chance, suffering the vagaries of the ED round, and cool with the likelihood of attending a low target or safety, then so be it. But what you will often find is that the kid is definitely not OK with that but, like many posters on this thread, have not thought about it/think the risks are far different than they actually are.

Did you mean to reply to a different post?

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

PP's logic is sound. If there's no clear #1 and you weren't going to shoot your shot anywhere in ED round except for WASP LAC, you don't hurt yourself by appying ED to a LAC to bank a slightly easier admission rate. It's not much higher than RD, but it is even if you take out athletes etc.

You seem unnecessarily combative with strangers.

Math is not your friend. Do the math out. Male RD rate for unhooked applicant is much lower at Williams, but believe what you will. Your logic is flawed. You seem unnecessarily ignorant and you are leading “strangers” astray because of it. Not cool.

I have made one comment on this thread and several other posters have replied similarly in their comments - how am I "leading strangers astray"??

RD admit rate. Williams. Unhooked. Much higher than ED. You posted the opposite. I guess you are not leading strangers astray if everyone sees that you are wrong. Point taken.

?? ED rate at Williams is 26.6%, RD is 7.3%. Even if we assume that ED is as much as 66% of the pool derived from recruited athletes plus other hooks, that's still an acceptance rate of 9% versus 7%.

And I doubt 66% of the ED pool is recruited athletes plus other hooks.

No, it is higher.

how much higher? athletes, legacy, donors, FGLI, URM combined.

np she's guessing. we dont even know the OP's kid isn't FGLI, URM or any of the rest. she peaced out of this convo, wisely