Did your DC apply to a LAC with ED (or ED1)?

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

3.7 at our nyc private gets into Carlton 100% of the time. But 3.7 is a good GPA here.

Agree. 3.7 is solid in nyc. RD is sufficient for Carleton.

And, yes, this is TT NYC. Maybe three kids every year graduate with a 4.0.

Sorry. Is the Carleton kid from one of these schools? And Carleton is also a different animal — much lower percentage of athletes.

Yes, he is.

While you are on the phone, about where is 3.7 in class rank (give or take; I know they don’t officially rank). Top 25%? 50%?

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Even is ED rate for this applicant is exactly the same as RD, why not apply ED if this is your dream school? If the application is done - send it in.

Stop gaming your kids’ dreams!

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Agree. Indicating the school is your clear first choice offers a boost, even if a relatively small one. I've posted elsewhere that my DC applied ED to a WASP. They got in, and the 13 kids who applied RD did not. The stats were there but otherwise unhooked, so who knows if they would have been among the 1-2 typically admitted if in the larger RD pool.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

PP's logic is sound. If there's no clear #1 and you weren't going to shoot your shot anywhere in ED round except for WASP LAC, you don't hurt yourself by appying ED to a LAC to bank a slightly easier admission rate. It's not much higher than RD, but it is even if you take out athletes etc.

You seem unnecessarily combative with strangers.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Williams really cares a lot about GPA than test score. At least at our school.

At DC's magnet, which is abput 90% Asian and white, there are a lot of high GPA kids. For WASP, test scores seem to be a primary discriminator. Most kids admitted have 1550+ and 35+ scores. Low test scores / TO not getting in unless hooked.

Yes in your case that is true because GPA doesn't differentiate applicants.

In OP's case she said that GPA is imperfect. Williams is much less forgiving on GPA.

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

3.7 at our nyc private gets into Carlton 100% of the time. But 3.7 is a good GPA here.

Agree. 3.7 is solid in nyc. RD is sufficient for Carleton.

And, yes, this is TT NYC. Maybe three kids every year graduate with a 4.0.

We haven’t had a 4.0 at our NYC school in last 3 graduating classes, at least. And 20%+ get into t10 colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or does the number of EDs to LACs seem lower in your DC's class than 5 years ago?

With my older, LACs were more popular. With my middle kid, everyone seems to be wanting to go to bigger places. It's interesting.

Or maybe it's because LACs don't really provide a huge ED advantage given the huge number of recruited athletes that saturate the ED rounds?

Ya think? This is why top SLACs are losing top unhooked students to lower Ivies, Ivy + etc. They are no longer around come the RD round because they wisely used their ED card elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

3.7 at our nyc private gets into Carlton 100% of the time. But 3.7 is a good GPA here.

Agree. 3.7 is solid in nyc. RD is sufficient for Carleton.

And, yes, this is TT NYC. Maybe three kids every year graduate with a 4.0.

Sorry. Is the Carleton kid from one of these schools? And Carleton is also a different animal — much lower percentage of athletes.

Yes, he is.

While you are on the phone, about where is 3.7 in class rank (give or take; I know they don’t officially rank). Top 25%? 50%?

About 20-25%. The class average is around a 3.5.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or does the number of EDs to LACs seem lower in your DC's class than 5 years ago?

With my older, LACs were more popular. With my middle kid, everyone seems to be wanting to go to bigger places. It's interesting.

Or maybe it's because LACs don't really provide a huge ED advantage given the huge number of recruited athletes that saturate the ED rounds?

Ya think? This is why top SLACs are losing top unhooked students to lower Ivies, Ivy + etc. They are no longer around come the RD round because they wisely used their ED card elsewhere.

Maybe stop yelling at smart kids who are applying to top SLACs.

I can’t decide what these schools did to you that makes you so angry at strangers.

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

PP's logic is sound. If there's no clear #1 and you weren't going to shoot your shot anywhere in ED round except for WASP LAC, you don't hurt yourself by appying ED to a LAC to bank a slightly easier admission rate. It's not much higher than RD, but it is even if you take out athletes etc.

You seem unnecessarily combative with strangers.

Math is not your friend. Do the math out. Male RD rate for unhooked applicant is much lower at Williams, but believe what you will. Your logic is flawed. You seem unnecessarily ignorant and you are leading “strangers” astray because of it. Not cool.

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Anonymous wrote:ED1 at Carleton
3.7(unweighted)/35 ACT
Undecided major, but leaning toward math
Full pay
Recruited athlete

Why are you sharing this? We know recruited athletes get an unfair edge. Stats don’t really matter. No way a kid would get in to Carleton with a 3.7 otherwise…

It's a 3.7 at a private school with very rigorous academics.

3.7 at our nyc private gets into Carlton 100% of the time. But 3.7 is a good GPA here.

Agree. 3.7 is solid in nyc. RD is sufficient for Carleton.

And, yes, this is TT NYC. Maybe three kids every year graduate with a 4.0.

We haven’t had a 4.0 at our NYC school in last 3 graduating classes, at least. And 20%+ get into t10 colleges.

Same. We had only one student at our CA private who had a 4.0 in the past 4 years

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or does the number of EDs to LACs seem lower in your DC's class than 5 years ago?

With my older, LACs were more popular. With my middle kid, everyone seems to be wanting to go to bigger places. It's interesting.

Or maybe it's because LACs don't really provide a huge ED advantage given the huge number of recruited athletes that saturate the ED rounds?

Ya think? This is why top SLACs are losing top unhooked students to lower Ivies, Ivy + etc. They are no longer around come the RD round because they wisely used their ED card elsewhere.

Maybe stop yelling at smart kids who are applying to top SLACs.

I can’t decide what these schools did to you that makes you so angry at strangers.

Save this post for your future rejected kid. Hope kid isn’t angry at you, you being not a stranger and all.

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100% agree w EDing to your dream, if money pencils out.

Don’t let your moms scare you off, kids.

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I just looked at our naviance and we haven’t had anyone rejected from Carlton in last 4 years. Few applicants, but most were 3.6 and 3.7. Those would have been string enough students.

Sometimes colleges want to open a pathway for a HS that is sending them few applicants

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Anonymous wrote:williams
1600 SAT
humanities male.
v good but in-school EC
v good but not perfect transcript (9th grade mostly)

Williams must be the dream school.

Otherwise it's not the best strategy. Williams is test optional and puts a lot more weight on GPA than test score.

Test-optional does not really apply to white or Asian students from affluent zip codes, however. They’ll assume poor test scores if you don’t submit. TO gives them flexibility with athletes and FGLI applicants, allowing them to build the class they want.

Point taken yes for unhooked a good test score must be provided.

Strategically, the inconsistency between gpa and test score doesn't work best for OP at Williams. Of course if Williams is the dream school then go ahead. Scoring at 1500 vs 1600 does not move the needle at Williams.

Here is the thing. That 1600 score may work better at other schools that are test required and value a high score.

Dartmouth comes to mind.

Why would 1500-1600 not move the needle at all in Dartmouth? If the GPA is such where the trajectory is up (PP said lower in grade 9 only) the high SAT score should be validating of his upward GPA trajectory.

Everyone on here is so negative.

* Williams (not Dartmouth). PP here, that was typed by mistake!

Can you read? Williams: 45% of freshmen males are athletes. Connect….dots.

Yes I can read. And I can also do math. 45% is not equal to 100%. I know parents are stressed this time of year with our seniors, but please let's not be rude to each other.

Since you can do math, what percentage of male ED admits is that? And then first gen programs, add those in, and legacy/big donor EDs, and faculty brats. What percentage of slots do you think are left ED? Actually do the math this time.

I did the math, and while ED rates for LACs that heavily recruit athletes are inflated by athletes (and FGLI/Questbridge to a lesser extent), it's still a few per cent higher than RD. If PP's son has no other clear favorite, he has not given up anything by applying to Williams ED rather than RD. If anything, he's putting the odds a few extra per cent in his favor. Unless he had an equally desirable non-LAC he could have EDed to.

Thank you for putting your ignorance on full display.

PP's logic is sound. If there's no clear #1 and you weren't going to shoot your shot anywhere in ED round except for WASP LAC, you don't hurt yourself by appying ED to a LAC to bank a slightly easier admission rate. It's not much higher than RD, but it is even if you take out athletes etc.

You seem unnecessarily combative with strangers.

Math is not your friend. Do the math out. Male RD rate for unhooked applicant is much lower at Williams, but believe what you will. Your logic is flawed. You seem unnecessarily ignorant and you are leading “strangers” astray because of it. Not cool.

I mean, male RD rate is much higher at Williams. AOs there will even admit this to you, once you press them after they tell you ED is “no advantage.” It is a downright disadvantage.