Math 7 Honors Teacher refusing to allow retakes becuase it’s the “end of the quarter.”

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea why anyone would want to be a teacher these days. This obsession over a test grade in 7th is insane.

You’ve completely missed the point of this thread lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Let’s teach our kids to not prepare for tests so we can take them again. Let’s also teach them that emails from mommy get stuff done. It’s no wonder nobody wants to teach.

Yes emails from parents work. I highly recommend them!

That’s okay. My kid studies for tests the first time and doesn’t need mommy to email his teachers.

When a teacher blatantly disregards a country policy, yes an adult needs to step in. In fact, this teacher was doubling down during math class saying no retakes but did a complete turnaround 2 hours after school. This teacher creates a culture of fear and kids are scared to approach her.

DP, but our DCs apparently have the same teacher. I’m glad someone spoke up. One of the reasons I liked this teacher so much was because they made the test retake policy explicitly clear at BTSN. And like it or not, it’s FCPS policy. You can’t just flippantly change it because you suddenly don’t agree with it. I mean, imagine if we lived in a country where you could just change laws on a whim because you don’t agree with them. What kind of message does this send to the kids?

Yes, but if it is a rolling grade book, can’t the retest occur next quarter?

Yes, I would assume this is what the teacher meant. That the grade stands for q1, no time to retake, but there will be a retake after. Confirm that -7th graders are dramatic and many could just be flipping out that their parents will see a bad q1 report card.

At least two other teachers, one in high school and one in middle school, posted the same thing on Schoology. The test grade stands for first quarter, but there will be a retake right after second quarter begins. Because there's a rolling gradebook and neither teacher has seniors in her class, it's no big deal.

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Grades don't matter in middle school. That includes "high school classes"

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Let’s teach our kids to not prepare for tests so we can take them again. Let’s also teach them that emails from mommy get stuff done. It’s no wonder nobody wants to teach.

Yes emails from parents work. I highly recommend them!

That’s okay. My kid studies for tests the first time and doesn’t need mommy to email his teachers.

When a teacher blatantly disregards a country policy, yes an adult needs to step in. In fact, this teacher was doubling down during math class saying no retakes but did a complete turnaround 2 hours after school. This teacher creates a culture of fear and kids are scared to approach her.

No, you don't understand. Your child must be perfect at everything on the first try, because that's how it is in the real world at a real job... unless you become a teacher, who can screw up as much as they want.

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Anonymous wrote:Title says it all. Test was taken Monday this week. The teacher preemptively told the class on that day there will be no retakes because it’s too close to the end of the quarter. We use a rolling gradebook. This is not true and against county policy. How do we handle?

When you say "retake" - do you mean retaking the same test with the same questions, or retaking a new test with new questions about the same material?

I assume the latter - retaking the same test with the same questions would be fraud.

I have no idea - apparently it’s up the individual teacher on how to handle retakes.

This whole retake thing is idiotic.

+1. It’s 7th grade math. Why would the child need a retake? What difference would it make?

To learn the material better? Sorry you don’t see value in that.

That’s easily fine by correcting mistakes and handing it in as a homework grade. Kids need to also learn that they won’t be given retakes in college.

It has been stated in many, many threads before that

a) High school (and certainly middle school!) are not college. It's okay if the rules are different.

b) More and more colleges are adopting retakes, dropping the lowest score, letting the final replace a test grade, allowing an alternate assignment to count instead of a poor test.

Retakes are here to stay. If you don't agree with them, tell your kid they can't do them.

Good colleges are not doing that.

My kid's at UVA and has 4 exams this quarter in one class, the highest 3 count.

She just had a group project that went terribly in a different class and was offered an individual supplement to replace the group grade if desired.

You can argue UVA isn't a good school, but I am fairly certain most people believe it is.

Same, at an Ivy, 30 years ago

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Let’s teach our kids to not prepare for tests so we can take them again. Let’s also teach them that emails from mommy get stuff done. It’s no wonder nobody wants to teach.

Yes emails from parents work. I highly recommend them!

That’s okay. My kid studies for tests the first time and doesn’t need mommy to email his teachers.

When a teacher blatantly disregards a country policy, yes an adult needs to step in. In fact, this teacher was doubling down during math class saying no retakes but did a complete turnaround 2 hours after school. This teacher creates a culture of fear and kids are scared to approach her.

DP, but our DCs apparently have the same teacher. I’m glad someone spoke up. One of the reasons I liked this teacher so much was because they made the test retake policy explicitly clear at BTSN. And like it or not, it’s FCPS policy. You can’t just flippantly change it because you suddenly don’t agree with it. I mean, imagine if we lived in a country where you could just change laws on a whim because you don’t agree with them. What kind of message does this send to the kids?

Yes, but if it is a rolling grade book, can’t the retest occur next quarter?

Yes, I would assume this is what the teacher meant. That the grade stands for q1, no time to retake, but there will be a retake after. Confirm that -7th graders are dramatic and many could just be flipping out that their parents will see a bad q1 report card.

At least two other teachers, one in high school and one in middle school, posted the same thing on Schoology. The test grade stands for first quarter, but there will be a retake right after second quarter begins. Because there's a rolling gradebook and neither teacher has seniors in her class, it's no big deal.

That’s nice, but that’s not the case here. In this case, the teacher made it very clear there wouldn’t be a retake at all. She didn’t reassure them that there would be one in the next quarter. She said this during two different class periods of this week. I’m pretty sure some parent must have emailed her. Two hours after her announcement to the kids about no retakes, she did a reverse course and sent a talking point about a retake. Complete opposite of what she told the kids just two hours prior.

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Let’s teach our kids to not prepare for tests so we can take them again. Let’s also teach them that emails from mommy get stuff done. It’s no wonder nobody wants to teach.

Yes emails from parents work. I highly recommend them!

That’s okay. My kid studies for tests the first time and doesn’t need mommy to email his teachers.

When a teacher blatantly disregards a country policy, yes an adult needs to step in. In fact, this teacher was doubling down during math class saying no retakes but did a complete turnaround 2 hours after school. This teacher creates a culture of fear and kids are scared to approach her.

DP, but our DCs apparently have the same teacher. I’m glad someone spoke up. One of the reasons I liked this teacher so much was because they made the test retake policy explicitly clear at BTSN. And like it or not, it’s FCPS policy. You can’t just flippantly change it because you suddenly don’t agree with it. I mean, imagine if we lived in a country where you could just change laws on a whim because you don’t agree with them. What kind of message does this send to the kids?

Yes, but if it is a rolling grade book, can’t the retest occur next quarter?

It is now, but as OP stated, the class was initially told that there would be no retakes since it was the end of the quarter. However, yesterday the students received an email detailing the extensive parameters they must meet in order to retake the test, which will be administered after school hours.

+1 why is it after school? That’s not fair to kids who have after school commitments.

Because the teacher wants to power trip against the parents who had the audacity to expect adherence to county policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Grades don't matter in middle school. That includes "high school classes"

what? But don’t they go on the HS transcript?

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Anonymous wrote:Grades don't matter in middle school. That includes "high school classes"

what? But don’t they go on the HS transcript?

Math 7 honors will not be on the HS transcript.

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Let’s teach our kids to not prepare for tests so we can take them again. Let’s also teach them that emails from mommy get stuff done. It’s no wonder nobody wants to teach.

Yes emails from parents work. I highly recommend them!

That’s okay. My kid studies for tests the first time and doesn’t need mommy to email his teachers.

When a teacher blatantly disregards a country policy, yes an adult needs to step in. In fact, this teacher was doubling down during math class saying no retakes but did a complete turnaround 2 hours after school. This teacher creates a culture of fear and kids are scared to approach her.

DP, but our DCs apparently have the same teacher. I’m glad someone spoke up. One of the reasons I liked this teacher so much was because they made the test retake policy explicitly clear at BTSN. And like it or not, it’s FCPS policy. You can’t just flippantly change it because you suddenly don’t agree with it. I mean, imagine if we lived in a country where you could just change laws on a whim because you don’t agree with them. What kind of message does this send to the kids?

Yes, but if it is a rolling grade book, can’t the retest occur next quarter?

It is now, but as OP stated, the class was initially told that there would be no retakes since it was the end of the quarter. However, yesterday the students received an email detailing the extensive parameters they must meet in order to retake the test, which will be administered after school hours.

+1 why is it after school? That’s not fair to kids who have after school commitments.

Because the teacher wants to power trip against the parents who had the audacity to expect adherence to county policy.

I’m actually surprised FCPS doesn’t have a county policy against scheduling tests outside of school hours yet. I’ve worked at two different school districts and we’ve been strictly prohibited from scheduling anything classroom related outside of school hours since, like, 1999.

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Let’s teach our kids to not prepare for tests so we can take them again. Let’s also teach them that emails from mommy get stuff done. It’s no wonder nobody wants to teach.

Yes emails from parents work. I highly recommend them!

That’s okay. My kid studies for tests the first time and doesn’t need mommy to email his teachers.

When a teacher blatantly disregards a country policy, yes an adult needs to step in. In fact, this teacher was doubling down during math class saying no retakes but did a complete turnaround 2 hours after school. This teacher creates a culture of fear and kids are scared to approach her.

DP, but our DCs apparently have the same teacher. I’m glad someone spoke up. One of the reasons I liked this teacher so much was because they made the test retake policy explicitly clear at BTSN. And like it or not, it’s FCPS policy. You can’t just flippantly change it because you suddenly don’t agree with it. I mean, imagine if we lived in a country where you could just change laws on a whim because you don’t agree with them. What kind of message does this send to the kids?

Yes, but if it is a rolling grade book, can’t the retest occur next quarter?

It is now, but as OP stated, the class was initially told that there would be no retakes since it was the end of the quarter. However, yesterday the students received an email detailing the extensive parameters they must meet in order to retake the test, which will be administered after school hours.

+1 why is it after school? That’s not fair to kids who have after school commitments.

Because the teacher wants to power trip against the parents who had the audacity to expect adherence to county policy.

+1 this is what I think.

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Let’s teach our kids to not prepare for tests so we can take them again. Let’s also teach them that emails from mommy get stuff done. It’s no wonder nobody wants to teach.

Yes emails from parents work. I highly recommend them!

That’s okay. My kid studies for tests the first time and doesn’t need mommy to email his teachers.

When a teacher blatantly disregards a country policy, yes an adult needs to step in. In fact, this teacher was doubling down during math class saying no retakes but did a complete turnaround 2 hours after school. This teacher creates a culture of fear and kids are scared to approach her.

DP, but our DCs apparently have the same teacher. I’m glad someone spoke up. One of the reasons I liked this teacher so much was because they made the test retake policy explicitly clear at BTSN. And like it or not, it’s FCPS policy. You can’t just flippantly change it because you suddenly don’t agree with it. I mean, imagine if we lived in a country where you could just change laws on a whim because you don’t agree with them. What kind of message does this send to the kids?

Yes, but if it is a rolling grade book, can’t the retest occur next quarter?

It is now, but as OP stated, the class was initially told that there would be no retakes since it was the end of the quarter. However, yesterday the students received an email detailing the extensive parameters they must meet in order to retake the test, which will be administered after school hours.

+1 why is it after school? That’s not fair to kids who have after school commitments.

Because the teacher wants to power trip against the parents who had the audacity to expect adherence to county policy.

I’m actually surprised FCPS doesn’t have a county policy against scheduling tests outside of school hours yet. I’ve worked at two different school districts and we’ve been strictly prohibited from scheduling anything classroom related outside of school hours since, like, 1999.

I mean, when the poor parent who had to hear from their upset student, and then ground truth this story hears from their student that, actually, the parent gets to rearrange their schedule to accommodate the teachers power trip…I have a feeling there will be such a policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Grades don't matter in middle school. That includes "high school classes"

Then why even have grades?

The point is, we do have grades and middle school is laying the foundation for high school. Kids are learning to take accountability and be proactive - emailing their teacher if they need to. They are also learning to use the retake policy. If their grade is below a 90, they have every right to request a retake. They see that retakes can raise their quarter grade. This is a good prectice for when they get to high school and it does count.

My child saw their grade raised back to an A after a low B on a test in a different class. My child learned that it’s an easy way to get your grade back up if you put in the work to do a retake. My child wants all As and I think that’s a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Let’s teach our kids to not prepare for tests so we can take them again. Let’s also teach them that emails from mommy get stuff done. It’s no wonder nobody wants to teach.

Yes emails from parents work. I highly recommend them!

That’s okay. My kid studies for tests the first time and doesn’t need mommy to email his teachers.

When a teacher blatantly disregards a country policy, yes an adult needs to step in. In fact, this teacher was doubling down during math class saying no retakes but did a complete turnaround 2 hours after school. This teacher creates a culture of fear and kids are scared to approach her.

DP, but our DCs apparently have the same teacher. I’m glad someone spoke up. One of the reasons I liked this teacher so much was because they made the test retake policy explicitly clear at BTSN. And like it or not, it’s FCPS policy. You can’t just flippantly change it because you suddenly don’t agree with it. I mean, imagine if we lived in a country where you could just change laws on a whim because you don’t agree with them. What kind of message does this send to the kids?

Yes, but if it is a rolling grade book, can’t the retest occur next quarter?

It is now, but as OP stated, the class was initially told that there would be no retakes since it was the end of the quarter. However, yesterday the students received an email detailing the extensive parameters they must meet in order to retake the test, which will be administered after school hours.

+1 why is it after school? That’s not fair to kids who have after school commitments.

Because the teacher wants to power trip against the parents who had the audacity to expect adherence to county policy.

I’m actually surprised FCPS doesn’t have a county policy against scheduling tests outside of school hours yet. I’ve worked at two different school districts and we’ve been strictly prohibited from scheduling anything classroom related outside of school hours since, like, 1999.

I mean, when the poor parent who had to hear from their upset student, and then ground truth this story hears from their student that, actually, the parent gets to rearrange their schedule to accommodate the teachers power trip…I have a feeling there will be such a policy.

Why can’t the teacher have their retake during advisory period? My guess is there are too many students that need a retake because she isn’t a good or effective teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:Grades don't matter in middle school. That includes "high school classes"

Then why even have grades?

The point is, we do have grades and middle school is laying the foundation for high school. Kids are learning to take accountability and be proactive - emailing their teacher if they need to. They are also learning to use the retake policy. If their grade is below a 90, they have every right to request a retake. They see that retakes can raise their quarter grade. This is a good prectice for when they get to high school and it does count.

My child saw their grade raised back to an A after a low B on a test in a different class. My child learned that it’s an easy way to get your grade back up if you put in the work to do a retake. My child wants all As and I think that’s a good thing.

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