AP Calculus AB

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you all for responding and sharing. DD has highest rigor in about everything except Calculus and Physics. Did science research at one of the most prestigious residential summer research programs. I guess she had something compelling despite lower math to be selected. Great ECs and grades. 780 math 790 verbal. All 5s on AP exams so far. Has equal strengths in humanities with honors/awards supporting humanities as well though more STEM ECs. Unfortunately, it sounds like Calc AB senior year in the context of her competitive, rigorous HS will hurt her chances significantly. AOs will know she has the academic preparation but other peers will stand out more in math. She’ll probably still try for REA, roll the dice in RD, be thoughtful about targets and hope for the best.

I agree this is the right, basic profile for the Ivy league etc. But what particularly about her or her background makes her stand out from the crowd? Is there anything genuine that you can lean into to make her stand out from the sea of perfect scores and high rigor that land in the admissions offices?

OP. I think she does have a perspective/experience that some colleges may find appealing. DD is not first-gen, URM or from underrepresented area etc but I think her background is maybe what got her accepted into that prestigious science research program (more than 1 acceptance to well known programs). I don’t think MIT EA will work out. MIT most definitely will want to see semester grade for lowly Calc AB and even then may not be good enough. I know there are kids at MIT who only took AB, but I don’t think anyone from her school accepted to MIT in either admissions round had lower than BC Calc. I believe all had higher. So perhaps, as some PP have mentioned, she will have better odds at liberal arts focused universities and SLACs.

Thank you all for sharing your perspectives. I think you’re all correct and her situation may be viewed one way (negative) by most schools and possibly, if she’s lucky, a few may be a bit more forgiving? Good advice not to draw attention to medical issue. Don’t want the schools to think she can’t do the work. I’ll encourage her to talk to counselor about pros and cons of explaining the AB vs BC choice and medical issue. In the context of her HS though, I believe AOs will note that lower rigor. Hopefully her counselor has some informed thoughts about that.

Maybe in the Spring she will be fortunate and be one that others think shouldn’t have gotten accepted to x school. Kid just needs one “Yes”. Crossing fingers.

I was not talking about perspective of paid for experiences. I was talking about something genuinely unique. You're going to have to make something up.

? It was not a pay to play summer experience. I’m saying she has a unique background/perspective (not academic related) that I think was one factor that got her accepted to the summer research program. Perhaps some colleges will find that aspect of her appealing as well.

Doubtful. Summer programs will take anyone who can string a sentence together.

There are summer programs that take everyone who applies, but there are some competitive STEM programs that are more selective than Harvard college. My kid is valedictorian of her high school and will have taken 13 APs when she graduates (so far, all 5s) and was rejected from all of the competitive summer programs she applied for last summer.

Kid from DC’s school did one of these top STEM programs. Was accepted to MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, and more (Ivies + T20). I think being selected for one of these programs may be an indicator that the kid will do well in selective college admissions. Though it’s probably rare to sweep HYPSMC even as an alum of top STEM summer programs.

The top programs use the same criteria in selecting participants: FGLI, URM. If you are one or both, you have a good chance getting in a lot of top schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Very few applicants to T 15 colleges don't take Calc BC. The ones that do are usually from lower performing schools or those students from a lower socioeconomic background/ FGLI or underrepresented in STEM.

You should add - “from your school.” At my DC’s local private school, Calc BC is not a differentiator unless you are applying for engineering. The school requires a year of AB before you take BC, so the kids that are entering high school from public schools that push kids ahead in math early on tend to be the ones that end up with BC or even MV calculus/linear algebra. Most kids come from private schools that aren’t super accelerated in math. Geometry in 9th is common for these kids and they end up in Calc AB senior year. Considered most rigorous.

This appears to be true in so many privates. Rigor is much less important than GPA. Even more so for ivies and top LACs, as they look for GPA consistency. Competition level is high as everyone wants to do Finance after college.

But the rigor kids have other non-ivy schools like Cornell CALS or Eng, CMU, and JHU. If the kid is engineering or premed bound, those schools are good options anyway. These schools are not popular among private school kids, so the competition level is lower.

FYI: Cornell is in the Ivy League.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you all for responding and sharing. DD has highest rigor in about everything except Calculus and Physics. Did science research at one of the most prestigious residential summer research programs. I guess she had something compelling despite lower math to be selected. Great ECs and grades. 780 math 790 verbal. All 5s on AP exams so far. Has equal strengths in humanities with honors/awards supporting humanities as well though more STEM ECs. Unfortunately, it sounds like Calc AB senior year in the context of her competitive, rigorous HS will hurt her chances significantly. AOs will know she has the academic preparation but other peers will stand out more in math. She’ll probably still try for REA, roll the dice in RD, be thoughtful about targets and hope for the best.

I agree this is the right, basic profile for the Ivy league etc. But what particularly about her or her background makes her stand out from the crowd? Is there anything genuine that you can lean into to make her stand out from the sea of perfect scores and high rigor that land in the admissions offices?

OP. I think she does have a perspective/experience that some colleges may find appealing. DD is not first-gen, URM or from underrepresented area etc but I think her background is maybe what got her accepted into that prestigious science research program (more than 1 acceptance to well known programs). I don’t think MIT EA will work out. MIT most definitely will want to see semester grade for lowly Calc AB and even then may not be good enough. I know there are kids at MIT who only took AB, but I don’t think anyone from her school accepted to MIT in either admissions round had lower than BC Calc. I believe all had higher. So perhaps, as some PP have mentioned, she will have better odds at liberal arts focused universities and SLACs.

Thank you all for sharing your perspectives. I think you’re all correct and her situation may be viewed one way (negative) by most schools and possibly, if she’s lucky, a few may be a bit more forgiving? Good advice not to draw attention to medical issue. Don’t want the schools to think she can’t do the work. I’ll encourage her to talk to counselor about pros and cons of explaining the AB vs BC choice and medical issue. In the context of her HS though, I believe AOs will note that lower rigor. Hopefully her counselor has some informed thoughts about that.

Maybe in the Spring she will be fortunate and be one that others think shouldn’t have gotten accepted to x school. Kid just needs one “Yes”. Crossing fingers.

I was not talking about perspective of paid for experiences. I was talking about something genuinely unique. You're going to have to make something up.

? It was not a pay to play summer experience. I’m saying she has a unique background/perspective (not academic related) that I think was one factor that got her accepted to the summer research program. Perhaps some colleges will find that aspect of her appealing as well.

Doubtful. Summer programs will take anyone who can string a sentence together.

There are summer programs that take everyone who applies, but there are some competitive STEM programs that are more selective than Harvard college. My kid is valedictorian of her high school and will have taken 13 APs when she graduates (so far, all 5s) and was rejected from all of the competitive summer programs she applied for last summer.

Kid from DC’s school did one of these top STEM programs. Was accepted to MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, and more (Ivies + T20). I think being selected for one of these programs may be an indicator that the kid will do well in selective college admissions. Though it’s probably rare to sweep HYPSMC even as an alum of top STEM summer programs.

The top programs use the same criteria in selecting participants: FGLI, URM. If you are one or both, you have a good chance getting in a lot of top schools.

What are the top STEM summer programs? I know of RSI and I don’t think they use criteria mentioned about to select participants.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you all for responding and sharing. DD has highest rigor in about everything except Calculus and Physics. Did science research at one of the most prestigious residential summer research programs. I guess she had something compelling despite lower math to be selected. Great ECs and grades. 780 math 790 verbal. All 5s on AP exams so far. Has equal strengths in humanities with honors/awards supporting humanities as well though more STEM ECs. Unfortunately, it sounds like Calc AB senior year in the context of her competitive, rigorous HS will hurt her chances significantly. AOs will know she has the academic preparation but other peers will stand out more in math. She’ll probably still try for REA, roll the dice in RD, be thoughtful about targets and hope for the best.

I agree this is the right, basic profile for the Ivy league etc. But what particularly about her or her background makes her stand out from the crowd? Is there anything genuine that you can lean into to make her stand out from the sea of perfect scores and high rigor that land in the admissions offices?

OP. I think she does have a perspective/experience that some colleges may find appealing. DD is not first-gen, URM or from underrepresented area etc but I think her background is maybe what got her accepted into that prestigious science research program (more than 1 acceptance to well known programs). I don’t think MIT EA will work out. MIT most definitely will want to see semester grade for lowly Calc AB and even then may not be good enough. I know there are kids at MIT who only took AB, but I don’t think anyone from her school accepted to MIT in either admissions round had lower than BC Calc. I believe all had higher. So perhaps, as some PP have mentioned, she will have better odds at liberal arts focused universities and SLACs.

Thank you all for sharing your perspectives. I think you’re all correct and her situation may be viewed one way (negative) by most schools and possibly, if she’s lucky, a few may be a bit more forgiving? Good advice not to draw attention to medical issue. Don’t want the schools to think she can’t do the work. I’ll encourage her to talk to counselor about pros and cons of explaining the AB vs BC choice and medical issue. In the context of her HS though, I believe AOs will note that lower rigor. Hopefully her counselor has some informed thoughts about that.

Maybe in the Spring she will be fortunate and be one that others think shouldn’t have gotten accepted to x school. Kid just needs one “Yes”. Crossing fingers.

I was not talking about perspective of paid for experiences. I was talking about something genuinely unique. You're going to have to make something up.

? It was not a pay to play summer experience. I’m saying she has a unique background/perspective (not academic related) that I think was one factor that got her accepted to the summer research program. Perhaps some colleges will find that aspect of her appealing as well.

Doubtful. Summer programs will take anyone who can string a sentence together.

There are summer programs that take everyone who applies, but there are some competitive STEM programs that are more selective than Harvard college. My kid is valedictorian of her high school and will have taken 13 APs when she graduates (so far, all 5s) and was rejected from all of the competitive summer programs she applied for last summer.

Kid from DC’s school did one of these top STEM programs. Was accepted to MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, and more (Ivies + T20). I think being selected for one of these programs may be an indicator that the kid will do well in selective college admissions. Though it’s probably rare to sweep HYPSMC even as an alum of top STEM summer programs.

Well only 3 of them are in the Top 10 for Engineering Schools. The others Princeton #11, Duke #17, Harvard #21, Yale #35. But cool.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you all for responding and sharing. DD has highest rigor in about everything except Calculus and Physics. Did science research at one of the most prestigious residential summer research programs. I guess she had something compelling despite lower math to be selected. Great ECs and grades. 780 math 790 verbal. All 5s on AP exams so far. Has equal strengths in humanities with honors/awards supporting humanities as well though more STEM ECs. Unfortunately, it sounds like Calc AB senior year in the context of her competitive, rigorous HS will hurt her chances significantly. AOs will know she has the academic preparation but other peers will stand out more in math. She’ll probably still try for REA, roll the dice in RD, be thoughtful about targets and hope for the best.

I agree this is the right, basic profile for the Ivy league etc. But what particularly about her or her background makes her stand out from the crowd? Is there anything genuine that you can lean into to make her stand out from the sea of perfect scores and high rigor that land in the admissions offices?

OP. I think she does have a perspective/experience that some colleges may find appealing. DD is not first-gen, URM or from underrepresented area etc but I think her background is maybe what got her accepted into that prestigious science research program (more than 1 acceptance to well known programs). I don’t think MIT EA will work out. MIT most definitely will want to see semester grade for lowly Calc AB and even then may not be good enough. I know there are kids at MIT who only took AB, but I don’t think anyone from her school accepted to MIT in either admissions round had lower than BC Calc. I believe all had higher. So perhaps, as some PP have mentioned, she will have better odds at liberal arts focused universities and SLACs.

Thank you all for sharing your perspectives. I think you’re all correct and her situation may be viewed one way (negative) by most schools and possibly, if she’s lucky, a few may be a bit more forgiving? Good advice not to draw attention to medical issue. Don’t want the schools to think she can’t do the work. I’ll encourage her to talk to counselor about pros and cons of explaining the AB vs BC choice and medical issue. In the context of her HS though, I believe AOs will note that lower rigor. Hopefully her counselor has some informed thoughts about that.

Maybe in the Spring she will be fortunate and be one that others think shouldn’t have gotten accepted to x school. Kid just needs one “Yes”. Crossing fingers.

I was not talking about perspective of paid for experiences. I was talking about something genuinely unique. You're going to have to make something up.

? It was not a pay to play summer experience. I’m saying she has a unique background/perspective (not academic related) that I think was one factor that got her accepted to the summer research program. Perhaps some colleges will find that aspect of her appealing as well.

Doubtful. Summer programs will take anyone who can string a sentence together.

There are summer programs that take everyone who applies, but there are some competitive STEM programs that are more selective than Harvard college. My kid is valedictorian of her high school and will have taken 13 APs when she graduates (so far, all 5s) and was rejected from all of the competitive summer programs she applied for last summer.

Kid from DC’s school did one of these top STEM programs. Was accepted to MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, and more (Ivies + T20). I think being selected for one of these programs may be an indicator that the kid will do well in selective college admissions. Though it’s probably rare to sweep HYPSMC even as an alum of top STEM summer programs.

Well only 3 of them are in the Top 10 for Engineering Schools. The others Princeton #11, Duke #17, Harvard #21, Yale #35. But cool.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate

We are discussing undergraduate, not doctorate.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you all for responding and sharing. DD has highest rigor in about everything except Calculus and Physics. Did science research at one of the most prestigious residential summer research programs. I guess she had something compelling despite lower math to be selected. Great ECs and grades. 780 math 790 verbal. All 5s on AP exams so far. Has equal strengths in humanities with honors/awards supporting humanities as well though more STEM ECs. Unfortunately, it sounds like Calc AB senior year in the context of her competitive, rigorous HS will hurt her chances significantly. AOs will know she has the academic preparation but other peers will stand out more in math. She’ll probably still try for REA, roll the dice in RD, be thoughtful about targets and hope for the best.

I agree this is the right, basic profile for the Ivy league etc. But what particularly about her or her background makes her stand out from the crowd? Is there anything genuine that you can lean into to make her stand out from the sea of perfect scores and high rigor that land in the admissions offices?

OP. I think she does have a perspective/experience that some colleges may find appealing. DD is not first-gen, URM or from underrepresented area etc but I think her background is maybe what got her accepted into that prestigious science research program (more than 1 acceptance to well known programs). I don’t think MIT EA will work out. MIT most definitely will want to see semester grade for lowly Calc AB and even then may not be good enough. I know there are kids at MIT who only took AB, but I don’t think anyone from her school accepted to MIT in either admissions round had lower than BC Calc. I believe all had higher. So perhaps, as some PP have mentioned, she will have better odds at liberal arts focused universities and SLACs.

Thank you all for sharing your perspectives. I think you’re all correct and her situation may be viewed one way (negative) by most schools and possibly, if she’s lucky, a few may be a bit more forgiving? Good advice not to draw attention to medical issue. Don’t want the schools to think she can’t do the work. I’ll encourage her to talk to counselor about pros and cons of explaining the AB vs BC choice and medical issue. In the context of her HS though, I believe AOs will note that lower rigor. Hopefully her counselor has some informed thoughts about that.

Maybe in the Spring she will be fortunate and be one that others think shouldn’t have gotten accepted to x school. Kid just needs one “Yes”. Crossing fingers.

I was not talking about perspective of paid for experiences. I was talking about something genuinely unique. You're going to have to make something up.

? It was not a pay to play summer experience. I’m saying she has a unique background/perspective (not academic related) that I think was one factor that got her accepted to the summer research program. Perhaps some colleges will find that aspect of her appealing as well.

Doubtful. Summer programs will take anyone who can string a sentence together.

There are summer programs that take everyone who applies, but there are some competitive STEM programs that are more selective than Harvard college. My kid is valedictorian of her high school and will have taken 13 APs when she graduates (so far, all 5s) and was rejected from all of the competitive summer programs she applied for last summer.

Kid from DC’s school did one of these top STEM programs. Was accepted to MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, and more (Ivies + T20). I think being selected for one of these programs may be an indicator that the kid will do well in selective college admissions. Though it’s probably rare to sweep HYPSMC even as an alum of top STEM summer programs.

Well only 3 of them are in the Top 10 for Engineering Schools. The others Princeton #11, Duke #17, Harvard #21, Yale #35. But cool.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate

We are discussing undergraduate, not doctorate.

Did you even open the link. It is the top undergraduate engineering programs.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you all for responding and sharing. DD has highest rigor in about everything except Calculus and Physics. Did science research at one of the most prestigious residential summer research programs. I guess she had something compelling despite lower math to be selected. Great ECs and grades. 780 math 790 verbal. All 5s on AP exams so far. Has equal strengths in humanities with honors/awards supporting humanities as well though more STEM ECs. Unfortunately, it sounds like Calc AB senior year in the context of her competitive, rigorous HS will hurt her chances significantly. AOs will know she has the academic preparation but other peers will stand out more in math. She’ll probably still try for REA, roll the dice in RD, be thoughtful about targets and hope for the best.

I agree this is the right, basic profile for the Ivy league etc. But what particularly about her or her background makes her stand out from the crowd? Is there anything genuine that you can lean into to make her stand out from the sea of perfect scores and high rigor that land in the admissions offices?

OP. I think she does have a perspective/experience that some colleges may find appealing. DD is not first-gen, URM or from underrepresented area etc but I think her background is maybe what got her accepted into that prestigious science research program (more than 1 acceptance to well known programs). I don’t think MIT EA will work out. MIT most definitely will want to see semester grade for lowly Calc AB and even then may not be good enough. I know there are kids at MIT who only took AB, but I don’t think anyone from her school accepted to MIT in either admissions round had lower than BC Calc. I believe all had higher. So perhaps, as some PP have mentioned, she will have better odds at liberal arts focused universities and SLACs.

Thank you all for sharing your perspectives. I think you’re all correct and her situation may be viewed one way (negative) by most schools and possibly, if she’s lucky, a few may be a bit more forgiving? Good advice not to draw attention to medical issue. Don’t want the schools to think she can’t do the work. I’ll encourage her to talk to counselor about pros and cons of explaining the AB vs BC choice and medical issue. In the context of her HS though, I believe AOs will note that lower rigor. Hopefully her counselor has some informed thoughts about that.

Maybe in the Spring she will be fortunate and be one that others think shouldn’t have gotten accepted to x school. Kid just needs one “Yes”. Crossing fingers.

I was not talking about perspective of paid for experiences. I was talking about something genuinely unique. You're going to have to make something up.

? It was not a pay to play summer experience. I’m saying she has a unique background/perspective (not academic related) that I think was one factor that got her accepted to the summer research program. Perhaps some colleges will find that aspect of her appealing as well.

Doubtful. Summer programs will take anyone who can string a sentence together.

There are summer programs that take everyone who applies, but there are some competitive STEM programs that are more selective than Harvard college. My kid is valedictorian of her high school and will have taken 13 APs when she graduates (so far, all 5s) and was rejected from all of the competitive summer programs she applied for last summer.

Kid from DC’s school did one of these top STEM programs. Was accepted to MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, and more (Ivies + T20). I think being selected for one of these programs may be an indicator that the kid will do well in selective college admissions. Though it’s probably rare to sweep HYPSMC even as an alum of top STEM summer programs.

Well only 3 of them are in the Top 10 for Engineering Schools. The others Princeton #11, Duke #17, Harvard #21, Yale #35. But cool.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate

We are discussing undergraduate, not doctorate.

It's the Top Engineering Undergraduate Programs that offer a Doctorate.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thank you all for responding and sharing. DD has highest rigor in about everything except Calculus and Physics. Did science research at one of the most prestigious residential summer research programs. I guess she had something compelling despite lower math to be selected. Great ECs and grades. 780 math 790 verbal. All 5s on AP exams so far. Has equal strengths in humanities with honors/awards supporting humanities as well though more STEM ECs. Unfortunately, it sounds like Calc AB senior year in the context of her competitive, rigorous HS will hurt her chances significantly. AOs will know she has the academic preparation but other peers will stand out more in math. She’ll probably still try for REA, roll the dice in RD, be thoughtful about targets and hope for the best.

I agree this is the right, basic profile for the Ivy league etc. But what particularly about her or her background makes her stand out from the crowd? Is there anything genuine that you can lean into to make her stand out from the sea of perfect scores and high rigor that land in the admissions offices?

OP. I think she does have a perspective/experience that some colleges may find appealing. DD is not first-gen, URM or from underrepresented area etc but I think her background is maybe what got her accepted into that prestigious science research program (more than 1 acceptance to well known programs). I don’t think MIT EA will work out. MIT most definitely will want to see semester grade for lowly Calc AB and even then may not be good enough. I know there are kids at MIT who only took AB, but I don’t think anyone from her school accepted to MIT in either admissions round had lower than BC Calc. I believe all had higher. So perhaps, as some PP have mentioned, she will have better odds at liberal arts focused universities and SLACs.

Thank you all for sharing your perspectives. I think you’re all correct and her situation may be viewed one way (negative) by most schools and possibly, if she’s lucky, a few may be a bit more forgiving? Good advice not to draw attention to medical issue. Don’t want the schools to think she can’t do the work. I’ll encourage her to talk to counselor about pros and cons of explaining the AB vs BC choice and medical issue. In the context of her HS though, I believe AOs will note that lower rigor. Hopefully her counselor has some informed thoughts about that.

Maybe in the Spring she will be fortunate and be one that others think shouldn’t have gotten accepted to x school. Kid just needs one “Yes”. Crossing fingers.

I was not talking about perspective of paid for experiences. I was talking about something genuinely unique. You're going to have to make something up.

? It was not a pay to play summer experience. I’m saying she has a unique background/perspective (not academic related) that I think was one factor that got her accepted to the summer research program. Perhaps some colleges will find that aspect of her appealing as well.

Doubtful. Summer programs will take anyone who can string a sentence together.

There are summer programs that take everyone who applies, but there are some competitive STEM programs that are more selective than Harvard college. My kid is valedictorian of her high school and will have taken 13 APs when she graduates (so far, all 5s) and was rejected from all of the competitive summer programs she applied for last summer.

Kid from DC’s school did one of these top STEM programs. Was accepted to MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Duke, and more (Ivies + T20). I think being selected for one of these programs may be an indicator that the kid will do well in selective college admissions. Though it’s probably rare to sweep HYPSMC even as an alum of top STEM summer programs.

Well only 3 of them are in the Top 10 for Engineering Schools. The others Princeton #11, Duke #17, Harvard #21, Yale #35. But cool.
https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate

STEM isn’t just engineering. All of those schools are top in STEM - but not necessarily all in engineering.

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Yes, I think top schools want to see bc calc if majoring in the sciences and many other kids take it at your school. It is a mark of rigor.

I decided or humanities might be different but then you should have corresponding liberal arts advanced classes.

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Anonymous wrote:If AP Calculus AB is the highest math my DC reaches, will they be auto rejected from T15 as a biology/chemistry/neuroscience major? DC attends competitive public in over-represented area with most classmates reaching BC calc or higher.

Auto-reject, no. That 'most' classmates reach BC or higher could play a factor in rigor perception, I would think. If AB is required before BC, then that would be a function of math tracking earlier on and might factor in differently than if students can choose to go AB or BC and most choose BC. In that I would think it possible those students get a 'bump' in rigor perception'.

I think the 'risk' is more that other students get a 'lift' versus your DC gets a 'demerit'. Kinda like test optional. They say not sending in a test score won't hurt you, but that doesnt mean it doesn't help the student that sends it in.

That said there are essays, recs, ECs, all the other classes taken, etc that factor in. It doesn't hinge on a single class taken/not taken but it is a game of inches.

Mostly this. In the game of inches the difference between calculus AB and BC is maybe a quarter of an inch.

OP is agonizing over things that matter only a little. I haven’t seen a single college website that suggests BC is better for admissions, even if it covers two additional chapters. The admission outcome will not rest on doing parametric curves and series in the senior year of high school.

Instead of worrying about this, have your daughter go to Red Cross this weekend and take a first aid class and certification to list as an extracurricular on the application if she’s interested. It’s going to count more than AB vs BC.

What the college website says is irrelevant. Your application is judged against your peers and the other applications they receive. Only going up to calc AB (and senior yr at that) and trying to get a spot at a top school for stem is likely not going to be in your favor. While it isn’t an automatic no, you aren’t going to have a grade in the class nor and AP score when your application is being considered. In a sea of applicants that all have calc BC or beyond, many of them before senior year, your application is going to be put aside

OP here. I wanted to give an update on my child’s results that can maybe help others in the future who are worried about a similar situation regarding math rigor.

In the context of my DC’s highly competitive school in an overrepresented area where more than 90% of the kids finish BC Calc by the end of senior year, I agree with the above poster. I think that is one reason why my DC (science major) was waitlisted, in RD, by 10 T20 schools including 4 Ivys. However, they were accepted by 2 Ivys and will be heading to a HYP in the Fall!

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You are only held to what your school offers. If you don’t have BC then you aren’t expected to take it. The school profile is the AOs guide to your school and the rigor offered. Take the best program you can within the offerings. Then excel in ECs, particularly those that are deep, meaningful and align w major to tell your story.

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Anonymous wrote:If AP Calculus AB is the highest math my DC reaches, will they be auto rejected from T15 as a biology/chemistry/neuroscience major? DC attends competitive public in over-represented area with most classmates reaching BC calc or higher.

Auto-reject, no. That 'most' classmates reach BC or higher could play a factor in rigor perception, I would think. If AB is required before BC, then that would be a function of math tracking earlier on and might factor in differently than if students can choose to go AB or BC and most choose BC. In that I would think it possible those students get a 'bump' in rigor perception'.

I think the 'risk' is more that other students get a 'lift' versus your DC gets a 'demerit'. Kinda like test optional. They say not sending in a test score won't hurt you, but that doesnt mean it doesn't help the student that sends it in.

That said there are essays, recs, ECs, all the other classes taken, etc that factor in. It doesn't hinge on a single class taken/not taken but it is a game of inches.

Mostly this. In the game of inches the difference between calculus AB and BC is maybe a quarter of an inch.

OP is agonizing over things that matter only a little. I haven’t seen a single college website that suggests BC is better for admissions, even if it covers two additional chapters. The admission outcome will not rest on doing parametric curves and series in the senior year of high school.

Instead of worrying about this, have your daughter go to Red Cross this weekend and take a first aid class and certification to list as an extracurricular on the application if she’s interested. It’s going to count more than AB vs BC.

What the college website says is irrelevant. Your application is judged against your peers and the other applications they receive. Only going up to calc AB (and senior yr at that) and trying to get a spot at a top school for stem is likely not going to be in your favor. While it isn’t an automatic no, you aren’t going to have a grade in the class nor and AP score when your application is being considered. In a sea of applicants that all have calc BC or beyond, many of them before senior year, your application is going to be put aside

OP here. I wanted to give an update on my child’s results that can maybe help others in the future who are worried about a similar situation regarding math rigor.

In the context of my DC’s highly competitive school in an overrepresented area where more than 90% of the kids finish BC Calc by the end of senior year, I agree with the above poster. I think that is one reason why my DC (science major) was waitlisted, in RD, by 10 T20 schools including 4 Ivys. However, they were accepted by 2 Ivys and will be heading to a HYP in the Fall!

Wow congrats! I don’t think it was the math that made a difference for your DCs app if he is headed to HYP!

Mine is also headed to HYP with precalculus and AP stat. No Calc at all!