ICE agent with no badge or ID assaults and arrests Chicago alderperson for asking for a warrant.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are under no obligation to show her a warrant. Zero. They asked her to leave. She refused.

Ok, but why does she have to leave a public space. She can say it ask for what ever she wants, where ever. They could have ignored her. The NAZIS used to make people turn away and not watch. If you do a public arrest, you should expect the public to see it and calmly (as this woman did) make comments.

Who are they obligated to show a judicial warrant to then? No one? They can just take you and no one knows where you are or who took you or why but the "judicial system" will handle it meanwhile you have kids, a job, animals to take care of, etc and until it "works out" you are jailed and removed from the state you live in (in most cases), not allowed phone calls or medical care/access, and likely treated poorly. You dont think that elected officials should be concerned with the welfare of their constituents?

Law enforcement is never under an obligation to show documentation to bystanders who happen to witness an arrest.

99.9% of bystanders don’t even have a working explanation of how the NCIC warrant database works. Spoiler alert: officers very frequently don’t even carry a paper copy of the warrant that provides the basis for the arrest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are under no obligation to show her a warrant. Zero. They asked her to leave. She refused.

Ok, but why does she have to leave a public space. She can say it ask for what ever she wants, where ever. They could have ignored her. The NAZIS used to make people turn away and not watch. If you do a public arrest, you should expect the public to see it and calmly (as this woman did) make comments.

Who are they obligated to show a judicial warrant to then? No one? They can just take you and no one knows where you are or who took you or why but the "judicial system" will handle it meanwhile you have kids, a job, animals to take care of, etc and until it "works out" you are jailed and removed from the state you live in (in most cases), not allowed phone calls or medical care/access, and likely treated poorly. You dont think that elected officials should be concerned with the welfare of their constituents?

Law enforcement is never under an obligation to show documentation to bystanders who happen to witness an arrest.

99.9% of bystanders don’t even have a working explanation of how the NCIC warrant database works. Spoiler alert: officers very frequently don’t even carry a paper copy of the warrant that provides the basis for the arrest.

Your take is that civil and criminal enforcement should be conducted in the same manner?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[twitter]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are under no obligation to show her a warrant. Zero. They asked her to leave. She refused.

Ok, but why does she have to leave a public space. She can say it ask for what ever she wants, where ever. They could have ignored her. The NAZIS used to make people turn away and not watch. If you do a public arrest, you should expect the public to see it and calmly (as this woman did) make comments.

Who are they obligated to show a judicial warrant to then? No one? They can just take you and no one knows where you are or who took you or why but the "judicial system" will handle it meanwhile you have kids, a job, animals to take care of, etc and until it "works out" you are jailed and removed from the state you live in (in most cases), not allowed phone calls or medical care/access, and likely treated poorly. You dont think that elected officials should be concerned with the welfare of their constituents?

Law enforcement is never under an obligation to show documentation to bystanders who happen to witness an arrest.

99.9% of bystanders don’t even have a working explanation of how the NCIC warrant database works. Spoiler alert: officers very frequently don’t even carry a paper copy of the warrant that provides the basis for the arrest.

Your take is that civil and criminal enforcement should be conducted in the same manner?

I’m explaining what the law is and why it’s a problem for bystanders to attempt to intervene by demanding to see certain documents. I’m not making a normative statement about how civil immigration enforcement should work.