PVS Results files

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So bottom line is there is no USA Swimming policy (yet) and PVS BOD voted to preemptively implement a change they see coming. The proposal in the PVS BOD minutes also indicates, "Results files would still be available to club leaders directly from the meet hosts."

That seems to be the case. I find it hard to believe that USAS would pass a rule prohibiting even the results from being posted though since the information in the PDF results are also publicly available via Meet Mobile. It seems like maybe the easier fix (and I am not tech savvy) is to make it so the meet file doesn’t contain actual dates of birth, just age as of the 1st day of the meet.

And that’s actually very easy to do. You just unclick the birthday button.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think we need to attack the PVS board- it appears this was based on a concern about PII, without an understanding of the consequences. That being said- for those who are suggesting birth dates be suppressed, don't you need the birth dates to match swimmers. e.g. there can be multiple " Larla Jones" who swim- the DOB is what makes sure you have the right Larla Jones. Or is the USA swimming ID enough? I know for summer swim the birth dates are necessary to match swimmers.

Developers can either use estimated DOB's, although some tools don't do as much analytical analysis like look ahead based on future dates for relays, qualifiers, rankings, etc. You can also become a third party team management vendor with USA Swimming.

It is a hurdle, but much better than relying on pdfs or no results.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The minutes from the August BOD meeting (PVS) has a report regarding the decision not to post the back up file any more because of concerns over the PII of swimmers contained in it. I’m assuming this is in reference to the actual DOBs of swimmers since the names and ages are contained in the results PDF that is still being posted. There is also reference to the author of the report “hearing” that USAS was discussing a policy change that would require LSCs to not post the results and back up file. It does not appear that this rule is actually in effect, just that this person from PVS “heard” it was being discussed.

I bet it never occurred to them that swimmers might be upset by this because now sites will not be able to upload this information.

At a minimum it should have occurred to them that this would impact Swimcloud, knowing how commonly that is used as a recruiting tool. It seems crazy that this year’s juniors and seniors will not be able to use that platform for recruiting purposes.

It won't impact SwimCloud much. SwimCloud is integrated into meet manager, so they can be sent results directly without needing to have them posted online although not every AO sends results to them, so parents won't be able to fill in missing results because they won't have access to the files to send them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The minutes from the August BOD meeting (PVS) has a report regarding the decision not to post the back up file any more because of concerns over the PII of swimmers contained in it. I’m assuming this is in reference to the actual DOBs of swimmers since the names and ages are contained in the results PDF that is still being posted. There is also reference to the author of the report “hearing” that USAS was discussing a policy change that would require LSCs to not post the results and back up file. It does not appear that this rule is actually in effect, just that this person from PVS “heard” it was being discussed.

I bet it never occurred to them that swimmers might be upset by this because now sites will not be able to upload this information.

At a minimum it should have occurred to them that this would impact Swimcloud, knowing how commonly that is used as a recruiting tool. It seems crazy that this year’s juniors and seniors will not be able to use that platform for recruiting purposes.

It won't impact SwimCloud much. SwimCloud is integrated into meet manager, so they can be sent results directly without needing to have them posted online although not every AO sends results to them, so parents won't be able to fill in missing results because they won't have access to the files to send them.

I mean, it does impact Swimcloud because it does not appear PVS is sending the meet files to them. If PVS was saying since we aren’t posting the meet files anymore but we instead will be emailing them to X Y and Z that would be one thing, but for whatever reason Swimstandards and Swimmetry are the only 3rd party sites that have the results. I don’t know if those sites are somehow utilizing the PDF results or if PVS is providing them with the meet files, but it was definitely shortsighted to not consider the impact on a widely used recruiting platform.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The minutes from the August BOD meeting (PVS) has a report regarding the decision not to post the back up file any more because of concerns over the PII of swimmers contained in it. I’m assuming this is in reference to the actual DOBs of swimmers since the names and ages are contained in the results PDF that is still being posted. There is also reference to the author of the report “hearing” that USAS was discussing a policy change that would require LSCs to not post the results and back up file. It does not appear that this rule is actually in effect, just that this person from PVS “heard” it was being discussed.

I bet it never occurred to them that swimmers might be upset by this because now sites will not be able to upload this information.

At a minimum it should have occurred to them that this would impact Swimcloud, knowing how commonly that is used as a recruiting tool. It seems crazy that this year’s juniors and seniors will not be able to use that platform for recruiting purposes.

It won't impact SwimCloud much. SwimCloud is integrated into meet manager, so they can be sent results directly without needing to have them posted online although not every AO sends results to them, so parents won't be able to fill in missing results because they won't have access to the files to send them.

I mean, it does impact Swimcloud because it does not appear PVS is sending the meet files to them. If PVS was saying since we aren’t posting the meet files anymore but we instead will be emailing them to X Y and Z that would be one thing, but for whatever reason Swimstandards and Swimmetry are the only 3rd party sites that have the results. I don’t know if those sites are somehow utilizing the PDF results or if PVS is providing them with the meet files, but it was definitely shortsighted to not consider the impact on a widely used recruiting platform.

In the past, Swimmetry got most of their results by scraping USA Swimming which is something USA Swimming has been trying to prevent for years. Getting results from pdf's is very problematic. Variations in swimmer names, team names, use or no use of abbreviations, typos, etc. There are many variations in pdf files also, where-as the hy-tek result files are fix fields and coded, with check-sums, etc. Even they will have errors, duplicate swimmers with different USA Swimmer IDs and incorrect DOBs, for instance. Parsing the hy-tek result file is much better and provides additional statistical data from the meet, than the pdf files ever will and it standard across all LSCs. With 58 LSCs there are 40+ different ways things are done.

[Anonymous]

As a swim parent, I love all these 3rd party swim data sites and the unique ways that they present results / comparisons / rankings / etc. Really will be a shame if these dry up in favor of the somewhat clunky USA swimming site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a swim parent, I love all these 3rd party swim data sites and the unique ways that they present results / comparisons / rankings / etc. Really will be a shame if these dry up in favor of the somewhat clunky USA swimming site.

The USA swimming site is terrible. They should hire one of the third party platform owners to redesign and run their site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The minutes from the August BOD meeting (PVS) has a report regarding the decision not to post the back up file any more because of concerns over the PII of swimmers contained in it. I’m assuming this is in reference to the actual DOBs of swimmers since the names and ages are contained in the results PDF that is still being posted. There is also reference to the author of the report “hearing” that USAS was discussing a policy change that would require LSCs to not post the results and back up file. It does not appear that this rule is actually in effect, just that this person from PVS “heard” it was being discussed.

I bet it never occurred to them that swimmers might be upset by this because now sites will not be able to upload this information.

At a minimum it should have occurred to them that this would impact Swimcloud, knowing how commonly that is used as a recruiting tool. It seems crazy that this year’s juniors and seniors will not be able to use that platform for recruiting purposes.

It won't impact SwimCloud much. SwimCloud is integrated into meet manager, so they can be sent results directly without needing to have them posted online although not every AO sends results to them, so parents won't be able to fill in missing results because they won't have access to the files to send them.

Swimcloud only has one meet up from PVS for the season. So it is impacting them tremendously. It will hurt Juniors and Seniors wanting to swim in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a swim parent, I love all these 3rd party swim data sites and the unique ways that they present results / comparisons / rankings / etc. Really will be a shame if these dry up in favor of the somewhat clunky USA swimming site.

I am with you as well on the site. I really like Swimcloud because my high school kid is able to get a good idea of how she places within the schools that she is looking at. She can use the recruiting tool to reach out and they can see her too.

Swimstandards is amazing to plug in your name to see if you make the cut for meets and to show you what you need to make it in.

Swimmetry she uses at every meet to see where she is on her next cut time. Graphically it is clean to look at.

USA Swimming, when it works, is incredibly clunky.

[Anonymous]

I love myswimIO. I liked swimmers but then they stopped updating and I deleted it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love myswimIO. I liked swimmers but then they stopped updating and I deleted it

Don't you mean the other site? I used a site (SwimRankings.com?) where the guy stopped developing it and that's how I found MySwimIO, which is honestly much superior. SwimRankings was nice in that they had an app, but the mobile site for SwimIO is pretty good.

Regardless, it's disgraceful that anyone would be trying to shut down technology innovation. Some governing bodies never learn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love myswimIO. I liked swimmers but then they stopped updating and I deleted it

I like all the data, but it is so busy to the eye. Oddly enough, men seem to like the site more. I also can't figure out how to pull meets for the swimmer without all the visual clutter.

[Anonymous]

My swimmer loves myswimio because she can get overall ranks, not just a ranking specific to that season, and also figure out where she stacks up in terms of relays at the champs meets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps USA Swimming wants to have a monopoly on the data and rankings?

I think it is an issue with hytek. Hytek is no longer patching its software and probably will not be in business for much longer. It has been the industry standard with little competition. Swimtopia is now in the field and will probably end up taking over.

In the meantime, all these swim sites will have issues getting the files.

LOL. You underestimate the power of inertia. We're a country that still uses imperial measurements instead of metric.

[Anonymous]

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Swimcloud only has one meet up from PVS for the season. So it is impacting them tremendously. It will hurt Juniors and Seniors wanting to swim in college.

+1
Came here to say this. HS Juniors and Seniors are already struggling with the NIL deal and now they will be at a HUGE disservice if times don’t show in swimcloud. Come on PVS. Help these kids out. Find a way to make this work.