Trump and RFK Jr. to Ban COVID-19 Vaccine ‘Within Months’

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Anonymous wrote:Doctors use things off label all the time! It’s completely routine. I get that the pharmacist at cvs might not be able yo give it but your pcp will certainly either give it or write you an order to take to the cvs.

No one should have to get a prescription for a vaccine or go to a primary doctor. the covid vaccine is the start. We'll probably move on to other ones and what happens when people who rely on Minute Clinics and vaccine clinics to get their shots are unable to anymore?

Putting up barriers and making it easy only for the most privileged people to get is not a silver lining

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why ban it? Keep it around, just don’t force it on anyone.

Bc that’s the MAGA playbook for anything they don’t like. It’s insanity. So much for my body my choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also saw several real news articles today saying that the FDA approved the new booster and the vaccine panel will come out with recommendations by mid-September.

The FDA directors believe, like the rest of the world, that the risks of the vaccine for healthy people under 65 do not outweigh the risks of Covid. I promise you, their recommendations, which have absolutely nothing to do with Trump but are based in data, will be the same as the ones that just came out from the CDC. I don't know why you all insist on believing this is anti-science when it's the complete opposite. It is based on data and they are going to undertake blind placebo testing as well. Of course, most of you will be covered, because anybody with anxiety and depression is in the recommended group, oddly. Me? I read the data and make my choices based on that. Not on politics and hate.

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Anonymous wrote:How soon is the limitation in place?

Probably not really a limitation, since it is an awfully long list of high risk conditions.

The bigger issue would be whether states pull pharmacists ability to administer it without a physician's prescription.

Will also be interesting to see if insurance covers the vaccines. Some medical societies (eg AAP and ACOG have made recommendations that differ from FDA.

I live in Massachusetts and just called my insurance company yesterday to get confirmation that the COVID and flu vaccines will be covered for me, even sans prescription.

I have a qualifying condition - which is so BS because being a human being above ground should be qualifying - but wasn’t sure it would be covered. It is. I heard a piece on NPR this morning that insurers were not going to drop coverage of the vaccines because they recognize it reduces illness severity, hospitalization and thus substantially reduces overall medical treatment costs.

Sadly I called my pharmacy and the vaccine is not yet available- they expect it within weeks. But I suppose the way this administration runs and given the firing of the CDC director and resignation of others in leadership there, maybe they are planning not to allow us to get them.

Honestly I wouldn’t put it past DJT and RFK Jr. that they would just like to shave off all the disabled and chronically ill and elderly and morbidly obese lives, even if it means some dead kids and pregnant women in the mix.

We are living in insanity.

Yes! I work in population health for an insurance company and we love the vaccine. It saves us millions. Remember, a hospital stay is 12k/day in DC on average. Insurance companies will not drop Covid vaccine coverage unless they are forced by law.

And how many of those hospital stays were due to Covid alone? In healthy, young people? I believe it's zero.

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is such a sensible response. As a middle aged late woman home right now with my first ever bout of Covid, even I support a common sense, open-minded understanding of this topic. For healthy people, the risks of the vaccines simply do not outweigh the risks of Covid. I don't feel great right now, but it's just a bad cold. I had the first round of shots and no boosters. Too many in the medical community are coming out with new recommendations about the safety and efficacy. I wish people would just be more open-minded instead of jumping right to insults of people who happen to have a different perspective.

Banning it isnt not open minded......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also saw several real news articles today saying that the FDA approved the new booster and the vaccine panel will come out with recommendations by mid-September.

What “vaccine panel”? Trump/rfk fired the ACIP which serves as the deciding panel. They are gone. The leaders at CDC finally gave up and left yesterday because of the tomfoolery.
So, any panel that RFK/trump put together will be a clown show.

[Anonymous]

I absolutely admire CDC leaders who are holding their ground today and releasing public statements about the dangers to USA citizens by withholding valuable health care and information. They know there will be preventable deaths and suffering without the vaccines. Teamed with the upcoming losses in health insurance, this will be expensive for all of us, in more ways than one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I absolutely admire CDC leaders who are holding their ground today and releasing public statements about the dangers to USA citizens by withholding valuable health care and information. They know there will be preventable deaths and suffering without the vaccines. Teamed with the upcoming losses in health insurance, this will be expensive for all of us, in more ways than one.

Of note, the pediatricians through the AAP are also standing up to this clown car parade of anti-science. They are most deliberately speaking out and issuing their own evidence-based recommendation, in direct contradiction to the federal government.

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"Healthy young people" are a minority even in the young population that is fat as shit.
This is ableism or fitism or MAHA elites smuggyness

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doctors use things off label all the time! It’s completely routine. I get that the pharmacist at cvs might not be able yo give it but your pcp will certainly either give it or write you an order to take to the cvs.

No one should have to get a prescription for a vaccine or go to a primary doctor. the covid vaccine is the start. We'll probably move on to other ones and what happens when people who rely on Minute Clinics and vaccine clinics to get their shots are unable to anymore?

Putting up barriers and making it easy only for the most privileged people to get is not a silver lining

I am the pp you are replying to and I completely agree! I do think everyone should know that it’s not going to be impossible to everyone to get (and thus not even try if they are able) because the more people that have it the better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How soon is the limitation in place?

Probably not really a limitation, since it is an awfully long list of high risk conditions.

The bigger issue would be whether states pull pharmacists ability to administer it without a physician's prescription.

Will also be interesting to see if insurance covers the vaccines. Some medical societies (eg AAP and ACOG have made recommendations that differ from FDA.

I live in Massachusetts and just called my insurance company yesterday to get confirmation that the COVID and flu vaccines will be covered for me, even sans prescription.

I have a qualifying condition - which is so BS because being a human being above ground should be qualifying - but wasn’t sure it would be covered. It is. I heard a piece on NPR this morning that insurers were not going to drop coverage of the vaccines because they recognize it reduces illness severity, hospitalization and thus substantially reduces overall medical treatment costs.

Sadly I called my pharmacy and the vaccine is not yet available- they expect it within weeks. But I suppose the way this administration runs and given the firing of the CDC director and resignation of others in leadership there, maybe they are planning not to allow us to get them.

Honestly I wouldn’t put it past DJT and RFK Jr. that they would just like to shave off all the disabled and chronically ill and elderly and morbidly obese lives, even if it means some dead kids and pregnant women in the mix.

We are living in insanity.

Yes! I work in population health for an insurance company and we love the vaccine. It saves us millions. Remember, a hospital stay is 12k/day in DC on average. Insurance companies will not drop Covid vaccine coverage unless they are forced by law.

Insurance companies are people too. How about you get in there with your millions and do something to support candidates that will stop this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is a reputable source and explains it all:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/acip-member-critical-covid-vaccines-lead-review

Basically it is a huckster with a degree in management who was put on a fake ACIP by rfk, and the next meeting he plans to “review” mRNA vaccines and covid vaccines and remove them from market.

Got my covid booster a week ago. This is terrible, as we are staring down a covid wave and group most affected (according to ER and hospitalizations) is 0-18.

But you didn't get the booster with the updated strain, right? Those are not available yet, my understanding is.

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I don't know how it will play out, but don't be discouraged if you have to have an underlying medical condition to get it. I'm in great health, but also technically a "former smoker", which qualifies me. I could also lie and say that I have "physical inactivity". Being obese or having a diagnosis of anxiety or depression is also on the list. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2506929

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doctors use things off label all the time! It’s completely routine. I get that the pharmacist at cvs might not be able yo give it but your pcp will certainly either give it or write you an order to take to the cvs.

No one should have to get a prescription for a vaccine or go to a primary doctor. the covid vaccine is the start. We'll probably move on to other ones and what happens when people who rely on Minute Clinics and vaccine clinics to get their shots are unable to anymore?

Putting up barriers and making it easy only for the most privileged people to get is not a silver lining

+1 Start planning a trip to Canada for when vaccines become difficult to access in this country. Unbelievable. MAGAs just want us all to be stupid and die of preventable illnesses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I absolutely admire CDC leaders who are holding their ground today and releasing public statements about the dangers to USA citizens by withholding valuable health care and information. They know there will be preventable deaths and suffering without the vaccines. Teamed with the upcoming losses in health insurance, this will be expensive for all of us, in more ways than one.

Of note, the pediatricians through the AAP are also standing up to this clown car parade of anti-science. They are most deliberately speaking out and issuing their own evidence-based recommendation, in direct contradiction to the federal government.

+1 Health care professionals suffered the most through COVID, treating the sickest without prejudice at risk to their own health even though many of the sick were stupid idiots who refused to get vaccinated and then took up scarce medical resources.