Why does Annapolis not have the Baltimore nor Chesapeake Bay “Hoi Toider” accent ?

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Anonymous wrote:Annapolis definitely feels blue collar and redneck, don’t know what you guys are taking about. About 50% of the people you’ll see there have tattoos, the food scene is 90% bar and pub food, there are no high end/sophistic restaurants, and it feels like a rustic town from the south.

Huh??? Have we been to the same Annapolis?

Your description sounds more like Odenton and Glen Burnie.

Yes, I’ve lived in Annapolis, and I’m born and raised in Bethesda. I’ve also lived around much of the US and even outside of it. Annapolis is not all multi-million dollar waterfront homes on the Severn River. Much of it is working-class and middle-class, and there’s a bunch of public housing within the city. Highland Beach and Parole have a lot of working-class rednecks. It’s not the rich la-la-la land you all wish it was, it’s like any other super segregated city from the south. Also, in my experience, the white people in Annapolis are way more racist and Trumpy than white people in Odenton, who are way more progressive. There is nothing high end about downtown Annapolis at all. It’s just a bunch of bars, pubs, grungy coffee shops like Rise Up. Anything fancy in Annapolis looks stuck in 2005, like Carpaccio.

Odenton and Crofton are far more cosmopolitan than Annapolis ever will be. The only “diversity” in Annapolis is Black and Hispanic people living in public housing. Both Odenton and Crofton blow Annapolis out of the water when it comes to the percentage of college educated residents. Diversity in Crofton and Odenton includes Asian, Middle Eastern, African, Muslim, and Indian families. They have the highest percentage of foreign born families in all of AA County. The horrible/garbage public schools in Annapolis would never attract those families in a million years. Not even wealthy people in Annapolis want anything to do with those schools.

Odenton, Crofton and cosmopolitan. That’s the first time I’ve seen those words in a sentence together.

Big night in Odenton is getting a chicken box at Royal Farms and finishing the night with some cold ones at Buck Murphy’s.

A “big night out” in Annapolis usually means dragging your husband who’s now shaped like a retired lacrosse ball into the same boat shoes, salmon shorts, and off-brand Vineyard Vines button-down you panic-bought at Marshalls during the Obama administration. You’ll make a reservation at Dock Street Bar & Grill, because apparently nothing says “coastal charm” like bland crab dip and a 50/50 chance of food poisoning, while a local rock band made up entirely of guys who peaked playing Battle of the Bands before dropping out of Broadneck butchers a Dave Matthews cover in the corner. Then comes the highlight: swaying in a sweaty crowd of sunburnt Edgewater rednecks and Calvert County day-drinkers, surrounded by Anne Arundel’s “elite”: people whose resumes peak with an associate’s degree from AACC or a marketing diploma from Salisbury and who now live in their parents’ basements, proudly insisting they “just love the Annapolis lifestyle.” Annapolis is a place where ambition goes to die quietly between $3 rail drinks, and the only thing more bloated than the crowd’s livers are their delusions that this is somehow “upscale living.”

This thread (and this post in particular) is so good. An unexpected gem.
I've only been to the historic downtown part. Literally the "get ice cream and look at the water" part so loving all the descriptions.

Totally! I love this thread and I want more from the ‘Annapolis hater’: s/he is great!

They’ll be back. Like most Odenton residents, they want you to think they’re at some fancy embassy event, or dinner at a Jose Andres restaurant. Reality is they probably drove the leased Hellcat over to Arundel Mills. While the little ones are running between the food court and Bass Pro Shops, they’re playing quarter slots at Maryland Live!

Oh wow, you’re so fancy because you live in “historic downtown” where you can walk to a Mission BBQ, Starbucks, and Chipotle. You know who else can walk to those places? People who live in Waugh Chapel Town Center — where every single one of those exact same chains is right there too. Your “iconic harbor” is just a puddle with overpriced crab dip, crawling with retirees in Sperrys pretending they’re in Nantucket while seagulls fight over discarded fries. One of the fanciest restaurants you can brag about is Ruth’s Chris, which, by the way, also exists in Odenton. And that “beloved” Annapolis Ice Cream Company you act like is some local treasure? Yeah, it’s scooping cones in Crofton now too under the name “Always Ice Cream Company,” because apparently even the ice cream wants to escape the fake charm.

The truth is, downtown Annapolis isn’t special. It’s Waugh Chapel Town Center with worse parking, higher prices, geriatric boutique stores no one has bought anything from since 1935, and a superiority complex so deep it could drown in its own harbor water.

At least people in Piney Orchard and Waugh Chapel can say they can walk to grocery stores. People in downtown Annapolis can’t even do that.

This guy is comic gold. Best on dcum in years

Absolutely! I want to keep this thread going - just to hear from him/her. And I for one agree with most of what they say but I can never match the writing style!

Funny writing, but a little unhinged. Annapolis, Odenton and Crofton are all fine and like most places, they each have pluses and minuses. Writer jumped the shark when saying all Odenton and Piney Orchard residents are all ultra sophisticated and only eat at Michelin Star restaurants in DC.

Odenton poster here. Obviously people in Odenton don’t exclusively eat at places that aren’t Michelin star restaurants. Odenton is a boring suburb, I never denied that. I’m out of here the second the kids graduate high school, and I’m going back to DC.

The point was that nobody here is jealous of the food and culture scene in Annapolis. 90% of it is unhealthy bar food and chains that exists in the strip malls that are 5 minutes away from our homes. If people want to experience something sophisticated or cultured, they go out to DC. Even people in Annapolis themselves go to DC or Baltimore for the night if they’re looking for something real extravagant.

The northern and older part Odenton such as Chapelgate has pockets of working-class people, but pretending that Piney Orchard, Two Rivers, Chapel Grove, The Preserve at Severn Run, Saddlebrooke, Stonegate Forest, and all the neighborhoods along Waugh Chapel Road are like Glen Burnie is ridiculous. These areas are full of middle-class and upper-middle-class professionals working in DC and Fort Meade. People know it’s a boring suburb, but that’s the point. People want boring suburbs when they’re raising kids because they usually come with good schools, safety, and family-friendly atmospheres. I could have saved $100k on a house by buying the same house in another “boring suburb” zoned to Annapolis High School, but I didn’t, because then there’s an added cost of sending kids to private school.

It doesn’t mean Odenton is where people want to stay forever. Nearly everyone I know plans to sell their house and move to “interesting” places once their youngest child graduates from high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people are so offended about being compared to Pasadena, you should be flattered. Half of Pasadena is wealthier than Severna Park. Ever heard of Gibson Island, Compass Pointe, Pinehurst Harbor? Chesapeake schools? All areas you could never afford. Stay in your rat infested townhomes in Annapolis or your $1M shoebox in Two Rivers. Chesapeake area of Pasadena also has no public housing or section 8.

Might be true, but how about the other half of Pasadena?

What about the part of Annapolis with public housing?

No issue with public housing, my issue with Pasadena is that a large section of it is racist AF

Is Annapolis not super racist and segregated? It’s the only place in the DMV where I’ve seen both white and black people are actively advocating for segregation, even those that claim to be democrats. The whole redistricting between Annapolis and South River High School brought out a lot of ugly racial tensions on both sides. The school board and politicians here actively advocate to keep these areas segregate, hostile, and racist.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people are so offended about being compared to Pasadena, you should be flattered. Half of Pasadena is wealthier than Severna Park. Ever heard of Gibson Island, Compass Pointe, Pinehurst Harbor? Chesapeake schools? All areas you could never afford. Stay in your rat infested townhomes in Annapolis or your $1M shoebox in Two Rivers. Chesapeake area of Pasadena also has no public housing or section 8.

Might be true, but how about the other half of Pasadena?

What about the part of Annapolis with public housing?

No issue with public housing, my issue with Pasadena is that a large section of it is racist AF

Is Annapolis not super racist and segregated? It’s the only place in the DMV where I’ve seen both white and black people are actively advocating for segregation, even those that claim to be democrats. The whole redistricting between Annapolis and South River High School brought out a lot of ugly racial tensions on both sides. The school board and politicians here actively advocate to keep these areas segregate, hostile, and racist.

I’m not from AA County and wasn’t aware of race issues in Annapolis. If this is true, it’s unfortunate. I had heard many times in the past about race issues around Pasadena. Not sure if this is still prevalent?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people are so offended about being compared to Pasadena, you should be flattered. Half of Pasadena is wealthier than Severna Park. Ever heard of Gibson Island, Compass Pointe, Pinehurst Harbor? Chesapeake schools? All areas you could never afford. Stay in your rat infested townhomes in Annapolis or your $1M shoebox in Two Rivers. Chesapeake area of Pasadena also has no public housing or section 8.

Might be true, but how about the other half of Pasadena?

What about the part of Annapolis with public housing?

No issue with public housing, my issue with Pasadena is that a large section of it is racist AF

Is Annapolis not super racist and segregated? It’s the only place in the DMV where I’ve seen both white and black people are actively advocating for segregation, even those that claim to be democrats. The whole redistricting between Annapolis and South River High School brought out a lot of ugly racial tensions on both sides. The school board and politicians here actively advocate to keep these areas segregate, hostile, and racist.

I’m not from AA County and wasn’t aware of race issues in Annapolis. If this is true, it’s unfortunate. I had heard many times in the past about race issues around Pasadena. Not sure if this is still prevalent?

Oh yeah, big time. Anne Arundel County as a whole struggles with racism, and Annapolis is no exception. Annapolis is easily one of the most segregated areas in the DMV. White people and people of color in Annapolis don’t mix the same way oil and water don’t mix. White flight out of public schools in Annapolis was/is really bad, private school usage is the highest in Anne Arundel County, and any time anyone tries to change anything in Annapolis or in the immediate surrounding areas like Edgewater, Arnold, or Severna Park, people who might as well be affiliated with the KKK come out of the woodworks, politicians literally get death threats, and the ugliness comes out. People say Annapolis High is “diverse,” but it’s majority Hispanic and Black kids living in public housing and then 1/4 white kids who got into a magnet program. Asians and wealthier immigrant families don’t move to Annapolis because of the poor quality public schools and because there is nothing there that appeals to them. They go to Crofton, Odenton, Gambrills, or bypass AA County altogether for Howard County where they get better schools and more diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:Many Annapolitans are transplants. Many of the locals do have the Maryland accent, listen for the Maryland “o” and you will hear it.

PP. My grandma with 2 parents from the Davidsonville Road area had that, I think.

"Dog" sounded like "Doahg".

I had forgotten that. That sound and the "Warshington" were all we noticed at home.

My grandmother was from DC and she called it Warshington.

I grew up in Montgomery County and remember my parent's friends who were born and raised in DC always called it Warshington. I always thought that was surprising. Of course these are people who would be in their 80s today, and I think was more common in people born in DC before the 1960s. I also thought it was weird because my grandmother in Ohio was always talking about warshing her clothes. And just seemed so odd that older Washingtonians would say Warshington. Did not compute. lol

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Anonymous wrote:Many Annapolitans are transplants. Many of the locals do have the Maryland accent, listen for the Maryland “o” and you will hear it.

PP. My grandma with 2 parents from the Davidsonville Road area had that, I think.

"Dog" sounded like "Doahg".

I had forgotten that. That sound and the "Warshington" were all we noticed at home.

My grandmother was from DC and she called it Warshington.

I grew up in Montgomery County and remember my parent's friends who were born and raised in DC always called it Warshington. I always thought that was surprising. Of course these are people who would be in their 80s today, and I think was more common in people born in DC before the 1960s. I also thought it was weird because my grandmother in Ohio was always talking about warshing her clothes. And just seemed so odd that older Washingtonians would say Warshington. Did not compute. lol

But we’re the parents of your parents friends born in Washington? I was born in DC. Both of my parents were born in DC. But the parents of many of my friends were born in Georgia, Alabama, and the Carolinas — so there are some things that I say with a different accent from my parents, because my peers and some of my teachers were born in Southern states.

I think “Warshington” is more of a blue collar thing, but I had to go to Bawmer to hear deug (that’s as close as I can get to the Baltimore pronunciation of “dog” and zink.

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Anonymous wrote:Annapolis definitely feels blue collar and redneck, don’t know what you guys are taking about. About 50% of the people you’ll see there have tattoos, the food scene is 90% bar and pub food, there are no high end/sophistic restaurants, and it feels like a rustic town from the south.

Huh??? Have we been to the same Annapolis?

Your description sounds more like Odenton and Glen Burnie.

Yes, I’ve lived in Annapolis, and I’m born and raised in Bethesda. I’ve also lived around much of the US and even outside of it. Annapolis is not all multi-million dollar waterfront homes on the Severn River. Much of it is working-class and middle-class, and there’s a bunch of public housing within the city. Highland Beach and Parole have a lot of working-class rednecks. It’s not the rich la-la-la land you all wish it was, it’s like any other super segregated city from the south. Also, in my experience, the white people in Annapolis are way more racist and Trumpy than white people in Odenton, who are way more progressive. There is nothing high end about downtown Annapolis at all. It’s just a bunch of bars, pubs, grungy coffee shops like Rise Up. Anything fancy in Annapolis looks stuck in 2005, like Carpaccio.

Odenton and Crofton are far more cosmopolitan than Annapolis ever will be. The only “diversity” in Annapolis is Black and Hispanic people living in public housing. Both Odenton and Crofton blow Annapolis out of the water when it comes to the percentage of college educated residents. Diversity in Crofton and Odenton includes Asian, Middle Eastern, African, Muslim, and Indian families. They have the highest percentage of foreign born families in all of AA County. The horrible/garbage public schools in Annapolis would never attract those families in a million years. Not even wealthy people in Annapolis want anything to do with those schools.

This is not cosmopolitan. Lots of people from collectivist, low-trust nations, and just a few nations at that (India, El Salvador, Nigeria, and a few others), not "diverse" at all. These immigrants are doing well for their families here, achieving their wildest dreams, but are they civic-minded, proponents of western liberalism (not political liberalism but liberalism meaning the political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property, and equality before the law), instead of racism, classicism, or caste-ism? Yes, these immigrants can have their perspective on what neighborhoods are attractive to them, but their definition of attractive, don't assume that non-immigrants, those of us whose families have been here for centuries, share the same values. Some of us may not want to live around people who are brand spanking new to American values, and who we are not sure take to heart American values.

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Anonymous wrote:Those Baltimore accents are mostly from lower and middle class people. Annapolis is mostly rich people.

This. I live in Baltimore and went to private schools. It was very rare to hear a Baltimore accent there. Now I teach in the Essex/Middle River area and nearly every kid has a Bawlimore accent.

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Anonymous wrote:Have to admit I'm laughing at some of the descriptions.

It must be pointed out Annapolis still has a lot of money. The historic area housing (outside the projects) is very expensive. The waterfront all around Annapolis is very expensive. So what do all these people and families in the $3M houses do?

Apparently they are scraping by until they can afford to move to Piney Orchard. No malice in this, Piney Orchard is fine, but there is a poster hellbent on proving that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication.

Nobody is saying that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication, this all started from previous posters lumping Odenton with Glen Burnie and placing Annapolis on a pedestal as if it has no issues. Odenton is a boring suburb, nobody is denying that. But it’s not equivalent to Glen Burnie in the slightest.

Yep, this. Odenton and Crofton are perfectly nice suburbs with nice middle class families. Most folks either work in dc or Baltimore, or some fed job or maybe on ft Meade. Vastly different vibe than Glen burnie or Pasadena.

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Anonymous wrote:Have to admit I'm laughing at some of the descriptions.

It must be pointed out Annapolis still has a lot of money. The historic area housing (outside the projects) is very expensive. The waterfront all around Annapolis is very expensive. So what do all these people and families in the $3M houses do?

Apparently they are scraping by until they can afford to move to Piney Orchard. No malice in this, Piney Orchard is fine, but there is a poster hellbent on proving that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication.

Nobody is saying that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication, this all started from previous posters lumping Odenton with Glen Burnie and placing Annapolis on a pedestal as if it has no issues. Odenton is a boring suburb, nobody is denying that. But it’s not equivalent to Glen Burnie in the slightest.

Yep, this. Odenton and Crofton are perfectly nice suburbs with nice middle class families. Most folks either work in dc or Baltimore, or some fed job or maybe on ft Meade. Vastly different vibe than Glen burnie or Pasadena.

I'm not from Maryland, so please excuse the ignorance. Are Glen Burnie and Pasadena full of white trash or something?

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Anonymous wrote:Have to admit I'm laughing at some of the descriptions.

It must be pointed out Annapolis still has a lot of money. The historic area housing (outside the projects) is very expensive. The waterfront all around Annapolis is very expensive. So what do all these people and families in the $3M houses do?

Apparently they are scraping by until they can afford to move to Piney Orchard. No malice in this, Piney Orchard is fine, but there is a poster hellbent on proving that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication.

Nobody is saying that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication, this all started from previous posters lumping Odenton with Glen Burnie and placing Annapolis on a pedestal as if it has no issues. Odenton is a boring suburb, nobody is denying that. But it’s not equivalent to Glen Burnie in the slightest.

Yep, this. Odenton and Crofton are perfectly nice suburbs with nice middle class families. Most folks either work in dc or Baltimore, or some fed job or maybe on ft Meade. Vastly different vibe than Glen burnie or Pasadena.

I'm not from Maryland, so please excuse the ignorance. Are Glen Burnie and Pasadena full of white trash or something?

Glen Burnout is great. Not as familiar with Pasadena, AKA Dirty ‘Dena.

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What is a waterbillie? This term is referenced in an earlier post.

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Just read that it is a hillbilly on the water.

To find out, you really need to go to the Eastern shore, of Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:Have to admit I'm laughing at some of the descriptions.

It must be pointed out Annapolis still has a lot of money. The historic area housing (outside the projects) is very expensive. The waterfront all around Annapolis is very expensive. So what do all these people and families in the $3M houses do?

Apparently they are scraping by until they can afford to move to Piney Orchard. No malice in this, Piney Orchard is fine, but there is a poster hellbent on proving that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication.

Nobody is saying that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication, this all started from previous posters lumping Odenton with Glen Burnie and placing Annapolis on a pedestal as if it has no issues. Odenton is a boring suburb, nobody is denying that. But it’s not equivalent to Glen Burnie in the slightest.

Yep, this. Odenton and Crofton are perfectly nice suburbs with nice middle class families. Most folks either work in dc or Baltimore, or some fed job or maybe on ft Meade. Vastly different vibe than Glen burnie or Pasadena.

I'm not from Maryland, so please excuse the ignorance. Are Glen Burnie and Pasadena full of white trash or something?

Yes they are.

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Anonymous wrote:Have to admit I'm laughing at some of the descriptions.

It must be pointed out Annapolis still has a lot of money. The historic area housing (outside the projects) is very expensive. The waterfront all around Annapolis is very expensive. So what do all these people and families in the $3M houses do?

Apparently they are scraping by until they can afford to move to Piney Orchard. No malice in this, Piney Orchard is fine, but there is a poster hellbent on proving that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication.

Nobody is saying that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication, this all started from previous posters lumping Odenton with Glen Burnie and placing Annapolis on a pedestal as if it has no issues. Odenton is a boring suburb, nobody is denying that. But it’s not equivalent to Glen Burnie in the slightest.

Yep, this. Odenton and Crofton are perfectly nice suburbs with nice middle class families. Most folks either work in dc or Baltimore, or some fed job or maybe on ft Meade. Vastly different vibe than Glen burnie or Pasadena.

I'm not from Maryland, so please excuse the ignorance. Are Glen Burnie and Pasadena full of white trash or something?

Yes they are.

Glen Burnie is south Baltimore and has similar vibes and crime. Pasadena is more white trashy, although parts are lovely.