Why does Annapolis not have the Baltimore nor Chesapeake Bay “Hoi Toider” accent ?

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever Annapolis lacks in dialect, Glen Burnie, Pasadena (AKA Dirty ‘Dena), Odenton, Gambrills, Crownsville, Edge”Wooder” and others more than compensate.

Sorry, no. Odenton and Gambrills aren't lumped into this group, people in this area don't "warsh their clothes in the wooder."

Odenton, AKA “Odorton,” spelled backwards is “Noten a’ do,” definitely has some Bawlmoreese going on. There is also some redneck, Obama hatin’, crab pick in’ rednecks. You can’t be that close to Glen Burnie and escape it. It’s definitely a weird mix, kind of like Waldorf. You have the natives, lots of fed and military transplants and lots of people who have fled cities for the suburban life.

That part of AACO reads more PG County to me. It’s where the white flight occurred for those who didn’t want to move down to Calvert or Charles County. If you were white and grew up in Bowie, you really “made it” if you moved to Odenton/Crofton.

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Anonymous wrote:Annapolis definitely feels blue collar and redneck, don’t know what you guys are taking about. About 50% of the people you’ll see there have tattoos, the food scene is 90% bar and pub food, there are no high end/sophistic restaurants, and it feels like a rustic town from the south.

Huh??? Have we been to the same Annapolis?

Your description sounds more like Odenton and Glen Burnie.

Yes, I’ve lived in Annapolis, and I’m born and raised in Bethesda. I’ve also lived around much of the US and even outside of it. Annapolis is not all multi-million dollar waterfront homes on the Severn River. Much of it is working-class and middle-class, and there’s a bunch of public housing within the city. Highland Beach and Parole have a lot of working-class rednecks. It’s not the rich la-la-la land you all wish it was, it’s like any other super segregated city from the south. Also, in my experience, the white people in Annapolis are way more racist and Trumpy than white people in Odenton, who are way more progressive. There is nothing high end about downtown Annapolis at all. It’s just a bunch of bars, pubs, grungy coffee shops like Rise Up. Anything fancy in Annapolis looks stuck in 2005, like Carpaccio.

Odenton and Crofton are far more cosmopolitan than Annapolis ever will be. The only “diversity” in Annapolis is Black and Hispanic people living in public housing. Both Odenton and Crofton blow Annapolis out of the water when it comes to the percentage of college educated residents. Diversity in Crofton and Odenton includes Asian, Middle Eastern, African, Muslim, and Indian families. They have the highest percentage of foreign born families in all of AA County. The horrible/garbage public schools in Annapolis would never attract those families in a million years. Not even wealthy people in Annapolis want anything to do with those schools.

Odenton, Crofton and cosmopolitan. That’s the first time I’ve seen those words in a sentence together.

Big night in Odenton is getting a chicken box at Royal Farms and finishing the night with some cold ones at Buck Murphy’s.

A “big night out” in Annapolis usually means dragging your husband who’s now shaped like a retired lacrosse ball into the same boat shoes, salmon shorts, and off-brand Vineyard Vines button-down you panic-bought at Marshalls during the Obama administration. You’ll make a reservation at Dock Street Bar & Grill, because apparently nothing says “coastal charm” like bland crab dip and a 50/50 chance of food poisoning, while a local rock band made up entirely of guys who peaked playing Battle of the Bands before dropping out of Broadneck butchers a Dave Matthews cover in the corner. Then comes the highlight: swaying in a sweaty crowd of sunburnt Edgewater rednecks and Calvert County day-drinkers, surrounded by Anne Arundel’s “elite”: people whose resumes peak with an associate’s degree from AACC or a marketing diploma from Salisbury and who now live in their parents’ basements, proudly insisting they “just love the Annapolis lifestyle.” Annapolis is a place where ambition goes to die quietly between $3 rail drinks, and the only thing more bloated than the crowd’s livers are their delusions that this is somehow “upscale living.”

Somebody didn’t get invited to the end of LAX season crab feast. Bitter!

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Anonymous wrote:Historic Annapolis is so beautiful and I don't understand why it isn't more like Charleston. There's no good restaurants or retail. Never figured it out.

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It's kind of you visit it once and get ice cream and look at the boutiques but you don't really want to go visit every summer, for instance. Do wealthy residents keep the boutiques selling?

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Anonymous wrote:Historic Annapolis is so beautiful and I don't understand why it isn't more like Charleston. There's no good restaurants or retail. Never figured it out.

They don't want tourism.

Is that why there is so little parking in Annapolis?

Parking is going to get less due to the City Dock Resiliency Project.

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Anonymous wrote:Have to admit I'm laughing at some of the descriptions.

It must be pointed out Annapolis still has a lot of money. The historic area housing (outside the projects) is very expensive. The waterfront all around Annapolis is very expensive. So what do all these people and families in the $3M houses do?

Apparently they are scraping by until they can afford to move to Piney Orchard. No malice in this, Piney Orchard is fine, but there is a poster hellbent on proving that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication.

Nobody is saying that Odenton and Crofton are the peak of sophistication, this all started from previous posters lumping Odenton with Glen Burnie and placing Annapolis on a pedestal as if it has no issues. Odenton is a boring suburb, nobody is denying that. But it’s not equivalent to Glen Burnie in the slightest.

Yep, this. Odenton and Crofton are perfectly nice suburbs with nice middle class families. Most folks either work in dc or Baltimore, or some fed job or maybe on ft Meade. Vastly different vibe than Glen burnie or Pasadena.

I'm not from Maryland, so please excuse the ignorance. Are Glen Burnie and Pasadena full of white trash or something?

Whiskey Tango

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Anonymous wrote:What does Hoi Toider mean?

It's an accent from a small island in the outer banks. Not sure what OP means- she probably means the "Bawlmer, hon!" accent with the exaggerated O sound. I hear it a lot in glen burnie, dundalk/essex, old school towson folks, south baltimore, edgewater, etc. You don't hear it from any transplants, and Annapolis families are mostly transplants until you get out towards, again, Glen Burnie, Pasadena, et

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever Annapolis lacks in dialect, Glen Burnie, Pasadena (AKA Dirty ‘Dena), Odenton, Gambrills, Crownsville, Edge”Wooder” and others more than compensate.

Sorry, no. Odenton and Gambrills aren't lumped into this group, people in this area don't "warsh their clothes in the wooder."

I was gonna say. Odenton and Gambrills are very much DC suburbs in Anne Arundel County. It feels more like a part of Montgomery County there. Same with Crofton.

More Bawlmer than DC. Sure, they all take the MARC into DC for work, but the vibe is definitely more Glen Burnie and Pasadena. Lots of purple camo on when the Ravens are playing.

They’re not. Look at the demographics and a voter map. West Anne Arundel County is the most progressive and consistently blue voting area within Anne Arundel County now. Annapolis is significantly more Trumpy and doesn’t have as many people with college degrees as Crofton and Odenton do. Communities like Piney Orchard, Two Rivers, and Crofton significantly changed the demographics of the area.

The college educated people in Odenton , Crofton, etc are largely immigrants. If you see a white person who was born and raised in Odenton, they are likely in the purple camo crowd. They may pretend not to be, and have a large house, and spend 50% of their take home salary on travel sports and flashy brands, but most of them voted for Trump and own a construction or plumbing business if that helps pinpoint the sort of person I am talking about

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Anonymous wrote:Historic Annapolis is so beautiful and I don't understand why it isn't more like Charleston. There's no good restaurants or retail. Never figured it out.

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It's kind of you visit it once and get ice cream and look at the boutiques but you don't really want to go visit every summer, for instance. Do wealthy residents keep the boutiques selling?

I have no clue. There is a lot of money, old and new, in Annapolis and the waterfront but they sure aren't spending it in AA county outside real estate. Maybe they like being low key.

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Anonymous wrote:What does Hoi Toider mean?

It's an accent from a small island in the outer banks. Not sure what OP means- she probably means the "Bawlmer, hon!" accent with the exaggerated O sound. I hear it a lot in glen burnie, dundalk/essex, old school towson folks, south baltimore, edgewater, etc. You don't hear it from any transplants, and Annapolis families are mostly transplants until you get out towards, again, Glen Burnie, Pasadena, et

Yes, “hoi toide” is more associated with Ocracoke Island. Translation is “high tide.” Odenton and Glen Burnie is more Bawlmoreesse.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever Annapolis lacks in dialect, Glen Burnie, Pasadena (AKA Dirty ‘Dena), Odenton, Gambrills, Crownsville, Edge”Wooder” and others more than compensate.

Sorry, no. Odenton and Gambrills aren't lumped into this group, people in this area don't "warsh their clothes in the wooder."

I was gonna say. Odenton and Gambrills are very much DC suburbs in Anne Arundel County. It feels more like a part of Montgomery County there. Same with Crofton.

More Bawlmer than DC. Sure, they all take the MARC into DC for work, but the vibe is definitely more Glen Burnie and Pasadena. Lots of purple camo on when the Ravens are playing.

They’re not. Look at the demographics and a voter map. West Anne Arundel County is the most progressive and consistently blue voting area within Anne Arundel County now. Annapolis is significantly more Trumpy and doesn’t have as many people with college degrees as Crofton and Odenton do. Communities like Piney Orchard, Two Rivers, and Crofton significantly changed the demographics of the area.

The college educated people in Odenton , Crofton, etc are largely immigrants. If you see a white person who was born and raised in Odenton, they are likely in the purple camo crowd. They may pretend not to be, and have a large house, and spend 50% of their take home salary on travel sports and flashy brands, but most of them voted for Trump and own a construction or plumbing business if that helps pinpoint the sort of person I am talking about

A lot of them are Feds too. They despise all things big government, but hop on the Gravy, er, Marc Train everyday for gubmint jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever Annapolis lacks in dialect, Glen Burnie, Pasadena (AKA Dirty ‘Dena), Odenton, Gambrills, Crownsville, Edge”Wooder” and others more than compensate.

Sorry, no. Odenton and Gambrills aren't lumped into this group, people in this area don't "warsh their clothes in the wooder."

I was gonna say. Odenton and Gambrills are very much DC suburbs in Anne Arundel County. It feels more like a part of Montgomery County there. Same with Crofton.

More Bawlmer than DC. Sure, they all take the MARC into DC for work, but the vibe is definitely more Glen Burnie and Pasadena. Lots of purple camo on when the Ravens are playing.

They’re not. Look at the demographics and a voter map. West Anne Arundel County is the most progressive and consistently blue voting area within Anne Arundel County now. Annapolis is significantly more Trumpy and doesn’t have as many people with college degrees as Crofton and Odenton do. Communities like Piney Orchard, Two Rivers, and Crofton significantly changed the demographics of the area.

The college educated people in Odenton , Crofton, etc are largely immigrants. If you see a white person who was born and raised in Odenton, they are likely in the purple camo crowd. They may pretend not to be, and have a large house, and spend 50% of their take home salary on travel sports and flashy brands, but most of them voted for Trump and own a construction or plumbing business if that helps pinpoint the sort of person I am talking about

A lot of them are Feds too. They despise all things big government, but hop on the Gravy, er, Marc Train everyday for gubmint jobs.

Also a lot of nurses/ nurse practitioners, electricians, blue collar company owners (owning a landscaping firm, etc), aka people who make a good salary but who do not hold necessarily jobs that have high prestige in a social setting. I have never met, for example, a neurosurgeon who lives in Odenton.

And I say this as a nurse practitioner myself, so, no shade on these relatively well paid but lower social capital professions!

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Anonymous wrote:Ball moor has its own accent. There’s also a Maryland accent.

Baltimore has at least two distinct accents. The traditional white Baltimore accent is noticeably different from the traditional Black Baltimore accent, even though there’s some overlap.

Exhibit A:

https://youtu.be/Esl_wOQDUeE?si=nNySAgnen7E7e7S5

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever Annapolis lacks in dialect, Glen Burnie, Pasadena (AKA Dirty ‘Dena), Odenton, Gambrills, Crownsville, Edge”Wooder” and others more than compensate.

Sorry, no. Odenton and Gambrills aren't lumped into this group, people in this area don't "warsh their clothes in the wooder."

I was gonna say. Odenton and Gambrills are very much DC suburbs in Anne Arundel County. It feels more like a part of Montgomery County there. Same with Crofton.

More Bawlmer than DC. Sure, they all take the MARC into DC for work, but the vibe is definitely more Glen Burnie and Pasadena. Lots of purple camo on when the Ravens are playing.

They’re not. Look at the demographics and a voter map. West Anne Arundel County is the most progressive and consistently blue voting area within Anne Arundel County now. Annapolis is significantly more Trumpy and doesn’t have as many people with college degrees as Crofton and Odenton do. Communities like Piney Orchard, Two Rivers, and Crofton significantly changed the demographics of the area.

The college educated people in Odenton , Crofton, etc are largely immigrants. If you see a white person who was born and raised in Odenton, they are likely in the purple camo crowd. They may pretend not to be, and have a large house, and spend 50% of their take home salary on travel sports and flashy brands, but most of them voted for Trump and own a construction or plumbing business if that helps pinpoint the sort of person I am talking about

100%

These people will drop you-know-what with a hard R and not think twice about it

The Odenton booster is delulu

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Anonymous wrote:Annapolis definitely feels blue collar and redneck, don’t know what you guys are taking about. About 50% of the people you’ll see there have tattoos, the food scene is 90% bar and pub food, there are no high end/sophistic restaurants, and it feels like a rustic town from the south.

Huh??? Have we been to the same Annapolis?

Your description sounds more like Odenton and Glen Burnie.

Yes, I’ve lived in Annapolis, and I’m born and raised in Bethesda. I’ve also lived around much of the US and even outside of it. Annapolis is not all multi-million dollar waterfront homes on the Severn River. Much of it is working-class and middle-class, and there’s a bunch of public housing within the city. Highland Beach and Parole have a lot of working-class rednecks. It’s not the rich la-la-la land you all wish it was, it’s like any other super segregated city from the south. Also, in my experience, the white people in Annapolis are way more racist and Trumpy than white people in Odenton, who are way more progressive. There is nothing high end about downtown Annapolis at all. It’s just a bunch of bars, pubs, grungy coffee shops like Rise Up. Anything fancy in Annapolis looks stuck in 2005, like Carpaccio.

Odenton and Crofton are far more cosmopolitan than Annapolis ever will be. The only “diversity” in Annapolis is Black and Hispanic people living in public housing. Both Odenton and Crofton blow Annapolis out of the water when it comes to the percentage of college educated residents. Diversity in Crofton and Odenton includes Asian, Middle Eastern, African, Muslim, and Indian families. They have the highest percentage of foreign born families in all of AA County. The horrible/garbage public schools in Annapolis would never attract those families in a million years. Not even wealthy people in Annapolis want anything to do with those schools.

Odenton, Crofton and cosmopolitan. That’s the first time I’ve seen those words in a sentence together.

Big night in Odenton is getting a chicken box at Royal Farms and finishing the night with some cold ones at Buck Murphy’s.

A “big night out” in Annapolis usually means dragging your husband who’s now shaped like a retired lacrosse ball into the same boat shoes, salmon shorts, and off-brand Vineyard Vines button-down you panic-bought at Marshalls during the Obama administration. You’ll make a reservation at Dock Street Bar & Grill, because apparently nothing says “coastal charm” like bland crab dip and a 50/50 chance of food poisoning, while a local rock band made up entirely of guys who peaked playing Battle of the Bands before dropping out of Broadneck butchers a Dave Matthews cover in the corner. Then comes the highlight: swaying in a sweaty crowd of sunburnt Edgewater rednecks and Calvert County day-drinkers, surrounded by Anne Arundel’s “elite”: people whose resumes peak with an associate’s degree from AACC or a marketing diploma from Salisbury and who now live in their parents’ basements, proudly insisting they “just love the Annapolis lifestyle.” Annapolis is a place where ambition goes to die quietly between $3 rail drinks, and the only thing more bloated than the crowd’s livers are their delusions that this is somehow “upscale living.”

This thread (and this post in particular) is so good. An unexpected gem.
I've only been to the historic downtown part. Literally the "get ice cream and look at the water" part so loving all the descriptions.

Totally! I love this thread and I want more from the ‘Annapolis hater’: s/he is great!

They’ll be back. Like most Odenton residents, they want you to think they’re at some fancy embassy event, or dinner at a Jose Andres restaurant. Reality is they probably drove the leased Hellcat over to Arundel Mills. While the little ones are running between the food court and Bass Pro Shops, they’re playing quarter slots at Maryland Live!

Oh wow, you’re so fancy because you live in “historic downtown” where you can walk to a Mission BBQ, Starbucks, and Chipotle. You know who else can walk to those places? People who live in Waugh Chapel Town Center — where every single one of those exact same chains is right there too. Your “iconic harbor” is just a puddle with overpriced crab dip, crawling with retirees in Sperrys pretending they’re in Nantucket while seagulls fight over discarded fries. One of the fanciest restaurants you can brag about is Ruth’s Chris, which, by the way, also exists in Odenton. And that “beloved” Annapolis Ice Cream Company you act like is some local treasure? Yeah, it’s scooping cones in Crofton now too under the name “Always Ice Cream Company,” because apparently even the ice cream wants to escape the fake charm.

The truth is, downtown Annapolis isn’t special. It’s Waugh Chapel Town Center with worse parking, higher prices, geriatric boutique stores no one has bought anything from since 1935, and a superiority complex so deep it could drown in its own harbor water.

At least people in Piney Orchard and Waugh Chapel can say they can walk to grocery stores. People in downtown Annapolis can’t even do that.

At the end of the day, this is just two places arguing over who has the more authentic collection of beige townhomes and identical chain restaurants. It’s like watching two Olive Gardens accuse each other of not being real Italy.

Please. You both live 20 minutes from each other and shop at the same Target. Let’s be humble.

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Anonymous wrote:Annapolis definitely feels blue collar and redneck, don’t know what you guys are taking about. About 50% of the people you’ll see there have tattoos, the food scene is 90% bar and pub food, there are no high end/sophistic restaurants, and it feels like a rustic town from the south.

Huh??? Have we been to the same Annapolis?

Your description sounds more like Odenton and Glen Burnie.

Yes, I’ve lived in Annapolis, and I’m born and raised in Bethesda. I’ve also lived around much of the US and even outside of it. Annapolis is not all multi-million dollar waterfront homes on the Severn River. Much of it is working-class and middle-class, and there’s a bunch of public housing within the city. Highland Beach and Parole have a lot of working-class rednecks. It’s not the rich la-la-la land you all wish it was, it’s like any other super segregated city from the south. Also, in my experience, the white people in Annapolis are way more racist and Trumpy than white people in Odenton, who are way more progressive. There is nothing high end about downtown Annapolis at all. It’s just a bunch of bars, pubs, grungy coffee shops like Rise Up. Anything fancy in Annapolis looks stuck in 2005, like Carpaccio.

Odenton and Crofton are far more cosmopolitan than Annapolis ever will be. The only “diversity” in Annapolis is Black and Hispanic people living in public housing. Both Odenton and Crofton blow Annapolis out of the water when it comes to the percentage of college educated residents. Diversity in Crofton and Odenton includes Asian, Middle Eastern, African, Muslim, and Indian families. They have the highest percentage of foreign born families in all of AA County. The horrible/garbage public schools in Annapolis would never attract those families in a million years. Not even wealthy people in Annapolis want anything to do with those schools.

Odenton, Crofton and cosmopolitan. That’s the first time I’ve seen those words in a sentence together.

Big night in Odenton is getting a chicken box at Royal Farms and finishing the night with some cold ones at Buck Murphy’s.

A “big night out” in Annapolis usually means dragging your husband who’s now shaped like a retired lacrosse ball into the same boat shoes, salmon shorts, and off-brand Vineyard Vines button-down you panic-bought at Marshalls during the Obama administration. You’ll make a reservation at Dock Street Bar & Grill, because apparently nothing says “coastal charm” like bland crab dip and a 50/50 chance of food poisoning, while a local rock band made up entirely of guys who peaked playing Battle of the Bands before dropping out of Broadneck butchers a Dave Matthews cover in the corner. Then comes the highlight: swaying in a sweaty crowd of sunburnt Edgewater rednecks and Calvert County day-drinkers, surrounded by Anne Arundel’s “elite”: people whose resumes peak with an associate’s degree from AACC or a marketing diploma from Salisbury and who now live in their parents’ basements, proudly insisting they “just love the Annapolis lifestyle.” Annapolis is a place where ambition goes to die quietly between $3 rail drinks, and the only thing more bloated than the crowd’s livers are their delusions that this is somehow “upscale living.”

This thread (and this post in particular) is so good. An unexpected gem.
I've only been to the historic downtown part. Literally the "get ice cream and look at the water" part so loving all the descriptions.

Totally! I love this thread and I want more from the ‘Annapolis hater’: s/he is great!

They’ll be back. Like most Odenton residents, they want you to think they’re at some fancy embassy event, or dinner at a Jose Andres restaurant. Reality is they probably drove the leased Hellcat over to Arundel Mills. While the little ones are running between the food court and Bass Pro Shops, they’re playing quarter slots at Maryland Live!

Oh wow, you’re so fancy because you live in “historic downtown” where you can walk to a Mission BBQ, Starbucks, and Chipotle. You know who else can walk to those places? People who live in Waugh Chapel Town Center — where every single one of those exact same chains is right there too. Your “iconic harbor” is just a puddle with overpriced crab dip, crawling with retirees in Sperrys pretending they’re in Nantucket while seagulls fight over discarded fries. One of the fanciest restaurants you can brag about is Ruth’s Chris, which, by the way, also exists in Odenton. And that “beloved” Annapolis Ice Cream Company you act like is some local treasure? Yeah, it’s scooping cones in Crofton now too under the name “Always Ice Cream Company,” because apparently even the ice cream wants to escape the fake charm.

The truth is, downtown Annapolis isn’t special. It’s Waugh Chapel Town Center with worse parking, higher prices, geriatric boutique stores no one has bought anything from since 1935, and a superiority complex so deep it could drown in its own harbor water.

At least people in Piney Orchard and Waugh Chapel can say they can walk to grocery stores. People in downtown Annapolis can’t even do that.

At the end of the day, this is just two places arguing over who has the more authentic collection of beige townhomes and identical chain restaurants. It’s like watching two Olive Gardens accuse each other of not being real Italy.

Please. You both live 20 minutes from each other and shop at the same Target. Let’s be humble.

NP, but also... the previous poster is comparing literally a strip mall with a massive, MASSIVE parking lot with... historic downtown annapolis? Cobblestoned streets, on the water, 100+ year old historic townhomes? I'm sorry, Waugh Chapel Town Center is not downtown Annapolis. Like, seriously?