As and Bs in AP course but 2s and 3s on tests

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone on this thread sounds too defensive.

Not all public schools are equal. Many have grade inflation and are not rigorous. Some are very rigorous, have high competition, and are not grade inflation. There are no generalizations you can make by using the word "public school".

Not all private/independent schools are equal. Several are not rigorous and do have grade inflation. Others are extremely rigorous and screen applicants for admission in 9th grade and do not inflate grades. So you can't generalize across privates either.

It's better to use "grade-inflating schools" (combo of public and private) and "non-grade-inflating schools" (combo of public and private).

The very selective, highly sought and rigorous private and public high schools in the US (you will know if your kid is at one) do not inflate.

Getting 5s on AP tests put you at around the top 10-15ile of test-takers in the US, similar to getting a 1300 or above on the SAT.

If your student gets As on the AP class and only a 2-3 AP score on the AP test that was created for that course and you did in fact study and try, it's possible you're at a grade inflating school (could be publlic or private).

If your student gets A/A-/B+ on the AP class and 5 on the AP test, your school is probably grading them appropriately and it's not grade inflated (could be public or private).

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

That "data" only exists in the made up land of "I believe it therefore it must be true" land of the DCUM private school board. There are plenty of crap privates in this area whose caliber of instruction is below that of the public schools, particularly for STEM subjects where they can't find qualified teachers for the lower salaries some privates pay teachers. My neighbor's kid at a Catholic school private is 2 years older than my kid and they were doing the same level math in elementary school.

Ooh, someone's been triggered lol.

Who cares what the Catholic school kid is doing in math. I am talking about high schools, and in particular the higher ranked high schools in the DMV. These schools don't inflate grades like public schools.

FWIW, my kid is taking AP Calc in 11th grade. Most take it in 12th. I personally don't see an issue with this mainly because this particular school tests kids before they place them in math (unlike public schools that just push them through with inflated grades). Kids in private schools are actually learning math vs. being awarded high grades in advanced classes they don't belong in.

I hate to break it to you but in the much maligned public schools, kids who are strong in math can take AP Calculus AB in 9th grade. The strongest can even take Calc BC. If you think that all these “poors” are getting 2s and 3s and don’t get 4s and 5s because public schools let “anyone” into these classes,?you’re in your own dreamworld where and should look at the school performance overviews that these schools publish that show distribution of AP scores by subject in a given year (public schools have far more transparency than private ones.)

LOL of course there are strong students in public schools. But there are more who are not doing well on these AP tests. The ones who are pushed to take AP Calc in 9th or 10th who just weren't ready and others. They pushed these kids too fast in math, they shouldn't be in AP classes, and it shows in their test scores. At Churchill High School (top MCPS HS) in 2024, 49 students got 2s and 3s on the AP Calc exam (out of 114 total students). Hardly a stellar showing with an overall pass rate of 71%. At my daughter's private (an all girls school that tends to be stronger in language arts rather than math), the pass rate was 85.3%. Nobody got lower than a 3 with 13% getting 3s, 47% getting 4s, and 40% getting 5s.

Churchill stats for reference:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QqKmEAGlfD41sBatGKBsCb4NZK4g-swQ/view

You don’t name your kid’s private nor do you distinguish whether you’re talking about AB calculus or BC calculus at your private while you do cite Churchill HS without explaining which test you’re referring to. Regardless, it’s hard to argue that a 71 pct rate of kids getting a 3+ is so different from a 85 pct pass rate given that MCPS has fairly inclusive enrollment in AP classes starting in 9th grade, while a lot of privates restrict AP classes to only those who they feel that can do well and to grades 11 and 12.

But if you feel that difference warrants tens of thousands in private school tuition per year, congrats! Confirmation bias at work!

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

That "data" only exists in the made up land of "I believe it therefore it must be true" land of the DCUM private school board. There are plenty of crap privates in this area whose caliber of instruction is below that of the public schools, particularly for STEM subjects where they can't find qualified teachers for the lower salaries some privates pay teachers. My neighbor's kid at a Catholic school private is 2 years older than my kid and they were doing the same level math in elementary school.

Ooh, someone's been triggered lol.

Who cares what the Catholic school kid is doing in math. I am talking about high schools, and in particular the higher ranked high schools in the DMV. These schools don't inflate grades like public schools.

FWIW, my kid is taking AP Calc in 11th grade. Most take it in 12th. I personally don't see an issue with this mainly because this particular school tests kids before they place them in math (unlike public schools that just push them through with inflated grades). Kids in private schools are actually learning math vs. being awarded high grades in advanced classes they don't belong in.

I hate to break it to you but in the much maligned public schools, kids who are strong in math can take AP Calculus AB in 9th grade. The strongest can even take Calc BC. If you think that all these “poors” are getting 2s and 3s and don’t get 4s and 5s because public schools let “anyone” into these classes,?you’re in your own dreamworld where and should look at the school performance overviews that these schools publish that show distribution of AP scores by subject in a given year (public schools have far more transparency than private ones.)

LOL of course there are strong students in public schools. But there are more who are not doing well on these AP tests. The ones who are pushed to take AP Calc in 9th or 10th who just weren't ready and others. They pushed these kids too fast in math, they shouldn't be in AP classes, and it shows in their test scores. At Churchill High School (top MCPS HS) in 2024, 49 students got 2s and 3s on the AP Calc exam (out of 114 total students). Hardly a stellar showing with an overall pass rate of 71%. At my daughter's private (an all girls school that tends to be stronger in language arts rather than math), the pass rate was 85.3%. Nobody got lower than a 3 with 13% getting 3s, 47% getting 4s, and 40% getting 5s.

Churchill stats for reference:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QqKmEAGlfD41sBatGKBsCb4NZK4g-swQ/view

You don’t name your kid’s private nor do you distinguish whether you’re talking about AB calculus or BC calculus at your private while you do cite Churchill HS without explaining which test you’re referring to. Regardless, it’s hard to argue that a 71 pct rate of kids getting a 3+ is so different from a 85 pct pass rate given that MCPS has fairly inclusive enrollment in AP classes starting in 9th grade, while a lot of privates restrict AP classes to only those who they feel that can do well and to grades 11 and 12.

But if you feel that difference warrants tens of thousands in private school tuition per year, congrats! Confirmation bias at work!

You just repeated my initial argument so I rest my case. Thank you. Oh and there are many many additional reasons to send your kid to private that warrant the money. But I won’t list those now because this thread is about AP test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

That "data" only exists in the made up land of "I believe it therefore it must be true" land of the DCUM private school board. There are plenty of crap privates in this area whose caliber of instruction is below that of the public schools, particularly for STEM subjects where they can't find qualified teachers for the lower salaries some privates pay teachers. My neighbor's kid at a Catholic school private is 2 years older than my kid and they were doing the same level math in elementary school.

Ooh, someone's been triggered lol.

Who cares what the Catholic school kid is doing in math. I am talking about high schools, and in particular the higher ranked high schools in the DMV. These schools don't inflate grades like public schools.

FWIW, my kid is taking AP Calc in 11th grade. Most take it in 12th. I personally don't see an issue with this mainly because this particular school tests kids before they place them in math (unlike public schools that just push them through with inflated grades). Kids in private schools are actually learning math vs. being awarded high grades in advanced classes they don't belong in.

I hate to break it to you but in the much maligned public schools, kids who are strong in math can take AP Calculus AB in 9th grade. The strongest can even take Calc BC. If you think that all these “poors” are getting 2s and 3s and don’t get 4s and 5s because public schools let “anyone” into these classes,?you’re in your own dreamworld where and should look at the school performance overviews that these schools publish that show distribution of AP scores by subject in a given year (public schools have far more transparency than private ones.)

LOL of course there are strong students in public schools. But there are more who are not doing well on these AP tests. The ones who are pushed to take AP Calc in 9th or 10th who just weren't ready and others. They pushed these kids too fast in math, they shouldn't be in AP classes, and it shows in their test scores. At Churchill High School (top MCPS HS) in 2024, 49 students got 2s and 3s on the AP Calc exam (out of 114 total students). Hardly a stellar showing with an overall pass rate of 71%. At my daughter's private (an all girls school that tends to be stronger in language arts rather than math), the pass rate was 85.3%. Nobody got lower than a 3 with 13% getting 3s, 47% getting 4s, and 40% getting 5s.

Churchill stats for reference:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QqKmEAGlfD41sBatGKBsCb4NZK4g-swQ/view

You don’t name your kid’s private nor do you distinguish whether you’re talking about AB calculus or BC calculus at your private while you do cite Churchill HS without explaining which test you’re referring to. Regardless, it’s hard to argue that a 71 pct rate of kids getting a 3+ is so different from a 85 pct pass rate given that MCPS has fairly inclusive enrollment in AP classes starting in 9th grade, while a lot of privates restrict AP classes to only those who they feel that can do well and to grades 11 and 12.

But if you feel that difference warrants tens of thousands in private school tuition per year, congrats! Confirmation bias at work!

You just repeated my initial argument so I rest my case. Thank you. Oh and there are many many additional reasons to send your kid to private that warrant the money. But I won’t list those now because this thread is about AP test scores.

No one repeated your argument. They contradicted your point that public school kids with more inclusive AP access are doing poorly on the actual AP exams. You’re just not good at reading and comprehending. Enjoy the bills!

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Anonymous wrote:My kids got all 5's and they got into their first choices.

So the f*ck what. That doesn’t mean that was the reason.

Actually it does. They were required specifically to get those grades. European colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone on this thread sounds too defensive.

Not all public schools are equal. Many have grade inflation and are not rigorous. Some are very rigorous, have high competition, and are not grade inflation. There are no generalizations you can make by using the word "public school".

Not all private/independent schools are equal. Several are not rigorous and do have grade inflation. Others are extremely rigorous and screen applicants for admission in 9th grade and do not inflate grades. So you can't generalize across privates either.

It's better to use "grade-inflating schools" (combo of public and private) and "non-grade-inflating schools" (combo of public and private).

The very selective, highly sought and rigorous private and public high schools in the US (you will know if your kid is at one) do not inflate.

Getting 5s on AP tests put you at around the top 10-15ile of test-takers in the US, similar to getting a 1300 or above on the SAT.

If your student gets As on the AP class and only a 2-3 AP score on the AP test that was created for that course and you did in fact study and try, it's possible you're at a grade inflating school (could be publlic or private).

If your student gets A/A-/B+ on the AP class and 5 on the AP test, your school is probably grading them appropriately and it's not grade inflated (could be public or private).

I think sadly, there is likely one generalization that applies to most public schools across the entire country. Under-funded. Or in the case of Moco, misdirection of funds.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Lady, I assure you that your daughter's private has grade inflation.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Lady, I assure you that your daughter's private has grade inflation.

It was clearly explained why public schools have worse inflation (at least in the DMV area). Yes, some private schools do as well, but the elite ones do not.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids got all 5's and they got into their first choices.

So the f*ck what. That doesn’t mean that was the reason.

Actually it does. They were required specifically to get those grades. European colleges.

Which is neglected to mention until you were called out.

Nobody but a handful of weirdos in the USA gives a flying f*ck about European colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone on this thread sounds too defensive.

Not all public schools are equal. Many have grade inflation and are not rigorous. Some are very rigorous, have high competition, and are not grade inflation. There are no generalizations you can make by using the word "public school".

Not all private/independent schools are equal. Several are not rigorous and do have grade inflation. Others are extremely rigorous and screen applicants for admission in 9th grade and do not inflate grades. So you can't generalize across privates either.

It's better to use "grade-inflating schools" (combo of public and private) and "non-grade-inflating schools" (combo of public and private).

The very selective, highly sought and rigorous private and public high schools in the US (you will know if your kid is at one) do not inflate.

Getting 5s on AP tests put you at around the top 10-15ile of test-takers in the US, similar to getting a 1300 or above on the SAT.

If your student gets As on the AP class and only a 2-3 AP score on the AP test that was created for that course and you did in fact study and try, it's possible you're at a grade inflating school (could be publlic or private).

If your student gets A/A-/B+ on the AP class and 5 on the AP test, your school is probably grading them appropriately and it's not grade inflated (could be public or private).

I think sadly, there is likely one generalization that applies to most public schools across the entire country. Under-funded. Or in the case of Moco, misdirection of funds.

In constant 2022–23 dollars, public schools in the United States spent an average of $18,614 per pupil in 2020–21, which represents an increase from $12,206 per pupil in 1990. Public schools in the US aren’t underfunded; they’re funded better than they have ever been.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids got all 5's and they got into their first choices.

So the f*ck what. That doesn’t mean that was the reason.

Actually it does. They were required specifically to get those grades. European colleges.

Which is neglected to mention until you were called out.

Nobody but a handful of weirdos in the USA gives a flying f*ck about European colleges.

You might want to take a break, chill out, go for a walk, stay off the booze for a while there buddy. Your chances of an anger induced heart attack are pretty high.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Lady, I assure you that your daughter's private has grade inflation.

It was clearly explained why public schools have worse inflation (at least in the DMV area). Yes, some private schools do as well, but the elite ones do not.

Yes, they do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids got all 5's and they got into their first choices.

So the f*ck what. That doesn’t mean that was the reason.

Actually it does. They were required specifically to get those grades. European colleges.

Which is neglected to mention until you were called out.

Nobody but a handful of weirdos in the USA gives a flying f*ck about European colleges.

You might want to take a break, chill out, go for a walk, stay off the booze for a while there buddy. Your chances of an anger induced heart attack are pretty high.

Lol not even remotely. It’s just such a stupid post on her part. Had to be called out.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

That "data" only exists in the made up land of "I believe it therefore it must be true" land of the DCUM private school board. There are plenty of crap privates in this area whose caliber of instruction is below that of the public schools, particularly for STEM subjects where they can't find qualified teachers for the lower salaries some privates pay teachers. My neighbor's kid at a Catholic school private is 2 years older than my kid and they were doing the same level math in elementary school.

Ooh, someone's been triggered lol.

Who cares what the Catholic school kid is doing in math. I am talking about high schools, and in particular the higher ranked high schools in the DMV. These schools don't inflate grades like public schools.

FWIW, my kid is taking AP Calc in 11th grade. Most take it in 12th. I personally don't see an issue with this mainly because this particular school tests kids before they place them in math (unlike public schools that just push them through with inflated grades). Kids in private schools are actually learning math vs. being awarded high grades in advanced classes they don't belong in.

I hate to break it to you but in the much maligned public schools, kids who are strong in math can take AP Calculus AB in 9th grade. The strongest can even take Calc BC. If you think that all these “poors” are getting 2s and 3s and don’t get 4s and 5s because public schools let “anyone” into these classes,?you’re in your own dreamworld where and should look at the school performance overviews that these schools publish that show distribution of AP scores by subject in a given year (public schools have far more transparency than private ones.)

LOL of course there are strong students in public schools. But there are more who are not doing well on these AP tests. The ones who are pushed to take AP Calc in 9th or 10th who just weren't ready and others. They pushed these kids too fast in math, they shouldn't be in AP classes, and it shows in their test scores. At Churchill High School (top MCPS HS) in 2024, 49 students got 2s and 3s on the AP Calc exam (out of 114 total students). Hardly a stellar showing with an overall pass rate of 71%. At my daughter's private (an all girls school that tends to be stronger in language arts rather than math), the pass rate was 85.3%. Nobody got lower than a 3 with 13% getting 3s, 47% getting 4s, and 40% getting 5s.

Churchill stats for reference:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QqKmEAGlfD41sBatGKBsCb4NZK4g-swQ/view

You don’t name your kid’s private nor do you distinguish whether you’re talking about AB calculus or BC calculus at your private while you do cite Churchill HS without explaining which test you’re referring to. Regardless, it’s hard to argue that a 71 pct rate of kids getting a 3+ is so different from a 85 pct pass rate given that MCPS has fairly inclusive enrollment in AP classes starting in 9th grade, while a lot of privates restrict AP classes to only those who they feel that can do well and to grades 11 and 12.

But if you feel that difference warrants tens of thousands in private school tuition per year, congrats! Confirmation bias at work!

You just repeated my initial argument so I rest my case. Thank you. Oh and there are many many additional reasons to send your kid to private that warrant the money. But I won’t list those now because this thread is about AP test scores.

No one repeated your argument. They contradicted your point that public school kids with more inclusive AP access are doing poorly on the actual AP exams. You’re just not good at reading and comprehending. Enjoy the bills!

Weird that you seem to be obsessed with the cost of private school. FWIW, our financial situation is such that the tuition payments have no impact at all on our disposable income (as is the case for many private school families).

The public school used in the example is ranked as one of the highest in the state. I could use MCPS as a whole to further prove my point, but I am being fair in using a similar socioeconomic group. I actually said in a prior post that private schools gate keep their APs, so not sure why you think I am contradicting myself. This is the problem with public schools that try to push kids in classes they don't belong in. Honors for all is what they call it in MCPS world.

My original point of posting was to say that mostly public schools produce poor scores. My statement continues to be accurate. The PP tried to make the claim that public schools outperform private schools in math. This data proved them wrong...and by using an all girls school scores, it strongly points out that fact because everyone knows that boys outperform girls in math.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Not if you took the AP Spanish exam in a crowded gymnasium with crappy headphones and couldn't hear a damn thing.

+1 this was my DC a few years ago. They got a 3. They were in the IB magnet program, and got a 7 in IB spanish. DC got straight As in both their magnet and IB spanish classes, and the IB spanish teacher said DC spoke spanish very well.

DC said they could not hear the recordings in the AP spanish exam. Thankfully, the college took the 7 in IB spanish. They got a 5 in 7 out of the 8 AP exams. AP spanish was the only 3.

They really need to figure out a better way to conduct the AP spanish exam.