As and Bs in AP course but 2s and 3s on tests

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Grade inflation is correlated with the extent to which parents are higher SES than teachers. Inner-city public schools have the least grade inflation. Wealthy suburban and private schools have the most. https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/grade-inflation-is-greater-in-wealthier-schools-study-says/2017/08

A handful of private schools are so prestigious that the school can both (1) push even high-SES parents around and (2) get even kids with low GPAs into prestigious colleges. Those are the private schools known for “grade deflation.” But they are outliers. They are not in any way typical of private schools.

You are clearly out of touch with what is happening in MCPS schools, including those schools with high farms rates.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is obsessed with AP Exam scores and has an insanely inflated view of their importance in the college admissions process.

For many students, they are very important, especially if your high school is huge or tiny or not well known where you will be applying -- which is most high schools.

Says you. Which says nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:If you aren’t targeting elite schools it’s fine.

NP here. Be careful what you consider elite. Many state schools are extremely competitive, and with grade inflation and a high volume of high GPAs from each school, standardized tests may be important to help separate out applicants. Many kids have essentially the same academic record. Who is more likely to actually succeed at the school? The kid who reported a lot of 4s and 5s? Or the kid who didn’t report any AP scores?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is obsessed with AP Exam scores and has an insanely inflated view of their importance in the college admissions process.

And what's your evidence that they don't matter? At schools with low selectivity, sure, but why are you on a college forum if you want to go to a school that lets everyone in anyway.

My “evidence” is that virtually all Adcoms say that on the scale of importance the scores don’t matter very much, including Adcoms at top schools. Even at the most selective schools, no one is getting in on the basis of AP scores. No one.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is obsessed with AP Exam scores and has an insanely inflated view of their importance in the college admissions process.

And what's your evidence that they don't matter? At schools with low selectivity, sure, but why are you on a college forum if you want to go to a school that lets everyone in anyway.

My “evidence” is that virtually all Adcoms say that on the scale of importance the scores don’t matter very much, including Adcoms at top schools. Even at the most selective schools, no one is getting in on the basis of AP scores. No one.

If you're applying overseas, that's exactly what you're getting in on. AP exams results have to be 5's, SAT's need to be competitive, essays well written and teacher recommendations stellar, plus you might have an actual interview and a further exam to take before being offered a place.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is obsessed with AP Exam scores and has an insanely inflated view of their importance in the college admissions process.

And what's your evidence that they don't matter? At schools with low selectivity, sure, but why are you on a college forum if you want to go to a school that lets everyone in anyway.

My “evidence” is that virtually all Adcoms say that on the scale of importance the scores don’t matter very much, including Adcoms at top schools. Even at the most selective schools, no one is getting in on the basis of AP scores. No one.

Yale requires AP scores if you don’t submit SAT/ACT. UCLA and UCB also look at AP scores because they can’t use SAT/ACT. Plenty of less elite, but still selective, colleges see it the same way: they want some standardized metric. AP or IB or SAT or ACT doesn’t matter that much. But if you try applying without any of them, you’ll be at a disadvantage.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

I have seen data at my kid’s own elite private school. See above post giving concrete examples comparing the gross inflation at MCPS with my kid’s private school grading policies.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is obsessed with AP Exam scores and has an insanely inflated view of their importance in the college admissions process.

And what's your evidence that they don't matter? At schools with low selectivity, sure, but why are you on a college forum if you want to go to a school that lets everyone in anyway.

My “evidence” is that virtually all Adcoms say that on the scale of importance the scores don’t matter very much, including Adcoms at top schools. Even at the most selective schools, no one is getting in on the basis of AP scores. No one.

If you're applying overseas, that's exactly what you're getting in on. AP exams results have to be 5's, SAT's need to be competitive, essays well written and teacher recommendations stellar, plus you might have an actual interview and a further exam to take before being offered a place.

Oh my god. The overwhelming majority of American high school students are not applying to friggin Oxford. I’m talking about AMERICAN admission practices. You people are just out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

That "data" only exists in the made up land of "I believe it therefore it must be true" land of the DCUM private school board. There are plenty of crap privates in this area whose caliber of instruction is below that of the public schools, particularly for STEM subjects where they can't find qualified teachers for the lower salaries some privates pay teachers. My neighbor's kid at a Catholic school private is 2 years older than my kid and they were doing the same level math in elementary school.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

I have seen data at my kid’s own elite private school. See above post giving concrete examples comparing the gross inflation at MCPS with my kid’s private school grading policies.

Feel free to share that "data" from your kid's own "elite" private school so we can all learn from you about why private schools are systematically more difficult graders than public schools. Hint: a newspaper article about grading policies in a single public school district does not constitute data about all private schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

That "data" only exists in the made up land of "I believe it therefore it must be true" land of the DCUM private school board. There are plenty of crap privates in this area whose caliber of instruction is below that of the public schools, particularly for STEM subjects where they can't find qualified teachers for the lower salaries some privates pay teachers. My neighbor's kid at a Catholic school private is 2 years older than my kid and they were doing the same level math in elementary school.

Ooh, someone's been triggered lol.

Who cares what the Catholic school kid is doing in math. I am talking about high schools, and in particular the higher ranked high schools in the DMV. These schools don't inflate grades like public schools.

FWIW, my kid is taking AP Calc in 11th grade. Most take it in 12th. I personally don't see an issue with this mainly because this particular school tests kids before they place them in math (unlike public schools that just push them through with inflated grades). Kids in private schools are actually learning math vs. being awarded high grades in advanced classes they don't belong in.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

I have seen data at my kid’s own elite private school. See above post giving concrete examples comparing the gross inflation at MCPS with my kid’s private school grading policies.

Feel free to share that "data" from your kid's own "elite" private school so we can all learn from you about why private schools are systematically more difficult graders than public schools. Hint: a newspaper article about grading policies in a single public school district does not constitute data about all private schools.

Triggered aren't we lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

That "data" only exists in the made up land of "I believe it therefore it must be true" land of the DCUM private school board. There are plenty of crap privates in this area whose caliber of instruction is below that of the public schools, particularly for STEM subjects where they can't find qualified teachers for the lower salaries some privates pay teachers. My neighbor's kid at a Catholic school private is 2 years older than my kid and they were doing the same level math in elementary school.

Ooh, someone's been triggered lol.

Who cares what the Catholic school kid is doing in math. I am talking about high schools, and in particular the higher ranked high schools in the DMV. These schools don't inflate grades like public schools.

FWIW, my kid is taking AP Calc in 11th grade. Most take it in 12th. I personally don't see an issue with this mainly because this particular school tests kids before they place them in math (unlike public schools that just push them through with inflated grades). Kids in private schools are actually learning math vs. being awarded high grades in advanced classes they don't belong in.

This exactly. AP classes are strongly gatekept in private schools. Anyone can take an AP in public, which is why kids are getting poor AP scores even though they got As in the class.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would the scores be so low? Something doesn't add up here.

If you took the AP course and paid attention that should be an automatic 4 without studying.

Massive grade inflation. I know schools where AP courses aren't at all rigorous.

Teacher here. My colleagues and I would never be allowed to give lower than a B- for AP classes, and if the student has "important parents", that student will have As.

This means that a student getting an A or B in an AP course at my school might get a 4 or 5 on the exam, or they might get a 1 or 2.

I am sure college admissions are aware. Grade inflation is extremely common in private schools.

What private school? Not the case at my daughter's school. Grade inflation is more of a factor in public schools.

Can you cite a source for your uninformed opinion? Public schools have much more standardized testing to keep them honest, and far fewer highly demanding parents to bully teachers into giving their mediocre rich kids As.

This is not an opinion lol. It is a fact. And private schools are known for grade deflation, so maybe you need to do more research.

MCPS is a perfect example. One of the largest school systems in the country. This article from 2022 lays it out pretty clearly. And know that they haven't changed anything since then, but over the summer there has apparently been a rehaul to address the rampant inflation.

https://www.thechurchillobserver.com/online-exclusives/2022/12/06/high-schools-grading-system-should-it-be-changed/

Yes, that particular public school district has documented evidence of grade inflation that it is attempting to change by revamping its grading policy in the coming year. But you are saying that you have evidence that private schools have grade deflation relative to public schools? Please cite that evidence--because it just sounds like you're mouthing a bunch of stuff that people like to say because they're paying $40k a year plus for tuition, and not because you've actually seen data.

I have seen data at my kid’s own elite private school. See above post giving concrete examples comparing the gross inflation at MCPS with my kid’s private school grading policies.

Feel free to share that "data" from your kid's own "elite" private school so we can all learn from you about why private schools are systematically more difficult graders than public schools. Hint: a newspaper article about grading policies in a single public school district does not constitute data about all private schools.

Triggered aren't we lol.

Triggered are what some people like to say when they're nervous because they can't formulate an intelligent response.