Do your coaches select the divisional events?

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Anonymous wrote:um, we just had a coach call a parent on our team and ask their kid to step down so another, older, kid could swim an event. No joke.

This same kid was also told he couldn't swim his top preference because the coaches wanted to give the slot to a team rep's kid whose only faster time in the event had resulted in a DQ.....

I'll take things that didn't happen for $200, Alex.

It absolutely happened .... thank God the parent had a backbone, told the coach they need to follow the ladder for this individual event and their child wasn't going to sacrifice their earned slot to make another kid feel better, and then called the other team rep (not the parent of one who would have benefitted) and complained.

All of us are now wondering: is there an official NVSL policy about decisions on divisionals? Could a coach put a slower kid into divisionals in the name of boosting opportunities for all on the team or showing team rep kid they believe in him despite dq?

On our team the coach calls the swimmers over in groups to work down the ladder (example: 9-10 girls, 8u boys, etc).

I heard one of the other girls guilt her friend not to pick an event so that she could swim it. The girl being guilted could have chosen any event for the most part except for one and this 10 year old stood there telling her not to pick her favorite stroke because then she would be sad and couldn’t swim.

I know there’s no perfect system here, but it’s sad to see swimmers get so emotionally invested in something like this that they put themselves over their friends. If there were cut times everyone who qualified could go but yes, then the meet would run way longer!

On the flip side of that coin we have a swimmer who is all star in almost all strokes but picked events to knock out the kids that were closest in her times and most likely to break her records.

I don’t this. Your kid has the team record. She’s also picking higher so has a better time than the third place swimmer on the team this season. But she’s so concerned about the third place swimmer breaking her record that she chose an event where she’s not as competitive at all stars? Unless your team is stacked with three swimmers all basically even at the team record I don’t get it. Even if that’s the case the second place swimmer who’s still in the race is a threat to the record

I'm sure the recordholder is confident she can beat#2 in a head to head race, but isn't confident that#2 racing #3 won't end in one of them breaking her record. If you care about records more than all stars (which is my kid for sure too) it's the smart move.

There are still a bunch of details missing for your logic to fit. Divisionals has multiple heats. Unless her team is dominant with three swimmers in the event who would be in the first heat if entered (and we know the third swimmer with the worst time is the one she considers the threat) then then #2 & #3 might not even swim head to head. I’ll agree it’s possible but there are big holes in the argument, including not knowing who the other teams are entering and how the heats will divide.

My Bayesian prior on this poster is ~30% troll, ~65% sincere but missing some key info, ~5% non-troll, sincere, fully-informed, and accurately describing the (highly unusual) facts. In the unlikely event that we are in the third category, we still have a parent who is mind-reading another child and claiming that it is somehow unfair/uncouth for the swimmer at the top of the ladder to choose to defend a record that is important to her.

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Anonymous wrote:um, we just had a coach call a parent on our team and ask their kid to step down so another, older, kid could swim an event. No joke.

This same kid was also told he couldn't swim his top preference because the coaches wanted to give the slot to a team rep's kid whose only faster time in the event had resulted in a DQ.....

I'll take things that didn't happen for $200, Alex.

It absolutely happened .... thank God the parent had a backbone, told the coach they need to follow the ladder for this individual event and their child wasn't going to sacrifice their earned slot to make another kid feel better, and then called the other team rep (not the parent of one who would have benefitted) and complained.

All of us are now wondering: is there an official NVSL policy about decisions on divisionals? Could a coach put a slower kid into divisionals in the name of boosting opportunities for all on the team or showing team rep kid they believe in him despite dq?

On our team the coach calls the swimmers over in groups to work down the ladder (example: 9-10 girls, 8u boys, etc).

I heard one of the other girls guilt her friend not to pick an event so that she could swim it. The girl being guilted could have chosen any event for the most part except for one and this 10 year old stood there telling her not to pick her favorite stroke because then she would be sad and couldn’t swim.

I know there’s no perfect system here, but it’s sad to see swimmers get so emotionally invested in something like this that they put themselves over their friends. If there were cut times everyone who qualified could go but yes, then the meet would run way longer!

On the flip side of that coin we have a swimmer who is all star in almost all strokes but picked events to knock out the kids that were closest in her times and most likely to break her records.

I don’t this. Your kid has the team record. She’s also picking higher so has a better time than the third place swimmer on the team this season. But she’s so concerned about the third place swimmer breaking her record that she chose an event where she’s not as competitive at all stars? Unless your team is stacked with three swimmers all basically even at the team record I don’t get it. Even if that’s the case the second place swimmer who’s still in the race is a threat to the record

I'm sure the recordholder is confident she can beat#2 in a head to head race, but isn't confident that#2 racing #3 won't end in one of them breaking her record. If you care about records more than all stars (which is my kid for sure too) it's the smart move.

There are still a bunch of details missing for your logic to fit. Divisionals has multiple heats. Unless her team is dominant with three swimmers in the event who would be in the first heat if entered (and we know the third swimmer with the worst time is the one she considers the threat) then then #2 & #3 might not even swim head to head. I’ll agree it’s possible but there are big holes in the argument, including not knowing who the other teams are entering and how the heats will divide.

My Bayesian prior on this poster is ~30% troll, ~65% sincere but missing some key info, ~5% non-troll, sincere, fully-informed, and accurately describing the (highly unusual) facts. In the unlikely event that we are in the third category, we still have a parent who is mind-reading another child and claiming that it is somehow unfair/uncouth for the swimmer at the top of the ladder to choose to defend a record that is important to her.

Right. I still don’t think the details about knocking out a competitor make sense but that’s a good follow up on the off chance they do. The PP is assigning motive.

I think it’s far more likely the swimmer just wants the last opportunity to extend her record.

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Anonymous wrote:yes division has completed seeding, heat sheet has been sent to all families.

Wow! Our seeding was last night (Wednesday). I would not expect anything until later today. They are on top of things too. We are a host pool, so our reps are very busy.

NVSL?

The division data coordinator seeds the meet immediately after bid ins are selected and print or send to team reps immediately so they can review for any possible errors. If they met last night the seeding and final meet sheet is done.

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Anonymous wrote:yes division has completed seeding, heat sheet has been sent to all families.

Wow! Our seeding was last night (Wednesday). I would not expect anything until later today. They are on top of things too. We are a host pool, so our reps are very busy.

NVSL?

The division data coordinator seeds the meet immediately after bid ins are selected and print or send to team reps immediately so they can review for any possible errors. If they met last night the seeding and final meet sheet is done.

Right. Our team circulated the divisionals meet sheet early this morning.