Do Rep Voters Honestly Believe that the BBB Will Benefit Them?

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Anonymous wrote:What higher deficit? They largely kept the same tax rates.
There would have been a higher debt no matter what budget passed, as we saw with all the CRs the last 15 years.
This time they managed to corral the conservatives whining about the deficit who refused to vote for any budget bill. Thus they didn't have to go to Democrats for votes and could pass a lower level of spending.

Those tax rates were set to expire because they could not be made permanent under reconciliation the first time around. When passed, Trump and Republicans assumed Trump would have two terms and the Dems would likely handle the fallout.

But now they have to handle it. And instead of doing that, they are making the tax cut permanent at a 3.3T cost of the deficit.

The deficit and debt will increase because these cuts were never meant to be permanent. They are not sustainable even with massive spending cuts. Republicans just proved that the level of spending cuts required to get the deficit under control are not viable politically. The only answer is tax increases, and instead of addressing the issue, they are kicking the can down the road and massively increasing the deficit and rate of increase to the debt.

No. The answer is to stop spending our money! It's not the government's money, it's not your money, etc. It's our money, and they can reduce the deficit by cutting programs that don't improve anything and arent working. All this foreign aid has bought us nothing but the hate of the nations we give it to. Covering medical bills of poor people has brought nothing but a growing "eat the rich" mentality. So no more. You want class warfare- or more accurately warfare between people who want to live and work honestly and those who don't-- you've got it now. We aren't duped. We know what we are doing.

You still don't get it, and you obviously DON'T know what you're doing, because they are going to be spending A LOT MORE of "your money."

Explain to me how, by me being able to keep an additional 66k for every million in income, I am losing money. Please. Be specific.

The bill adds trillions of dollars to the debt. By 2032 the national debt will be about $50 trillion because of this bill.

Taxpayers already pay a trillion interest a year on our debt. 1) your taxes will go to pay even more interest on the debt because this adds to that burden. Interest on the debt is going to increase more. 2) the bill makes the SS trust fund run out a year earlier in 2032. Do you think Congress is going to let a bunch of seniors SS check get cut when the trust fund runs out? Hell no. How do you pay for it? Increase taxes or run even more debt.

Once again, this is a prediction. It is not fact.
There are economists who believe this is not true.
Remember - many of these same people predicting gloom regarding the debt also said tariffs would lead to inflation and a recession.
They are still waiting for that to happen...... (It ain't gonna happen.)

No, the trillions added the debt are unfortunately a fact. I'm sorry you're trolling so hard. I'm sure you're actually intelligent enough to understand this, and you're just lying on the internet to spread confusion.

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Republicans have paid more than double the amount of advertising than Democrats have, to sell the bill as a TAX CUT. The base loves tax cuts, and won't realize until late 2026 that benefits cuts will hurt them more in the lower-income brackets.

Which lower ones?

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Anonymous wrote:What higher deficit? They largely kept the same tax rates.
There would have been a higher debt no matter what budget passed, as we saw with all the CRs the last 15 years.
This time they managed to corral the conservatives whining about the deficit who refused to vote for any budget bill. Thus they didn't have to go to Democrats for votes and could pass a lower level of spending.

Those tax rates were set to expire because they could not be made permanent under reconciliation the first time around. When passed, Trump and Republicans assumed Trump would have two terms and the Dems would likely handle the fallout.

But now they have to handle it. And instead of doing that, they are making the tax cut permanent at a 3.3T cost of the deficit.

The deficit and debt will increase because these cuts were never meant to be permanent. They are not sustainable even with massive spending cuts. Republicans just proved that the level of spending cuts required to get the deficit under control are not viable politically. The only answer is tax increases, and instead of addressing the issue, they are kicking the can down the road and massively increasing the deficit and rate of increase to the debt.

No. The answer is to stop spending our money! It's not the government's money, it's not your money, etc. It's our money, and they can reduce the deficit by cutting programs that don't improve anything and arent working. All this foreign aid has bought us nothing but the hate of the nations we give it to. Covering medical bills of poor people has brought nothing but a growing "eat the rich" mentality. So no more. You want class warfare- or more accurately warfare between people who want to live and work honestly and those who don't-- you've got it now. We aren't duped. We know what we are doing.

You still don't get it, and you obviously DON'T know what you're doing, because they are going to be spending A LOT MORE of "your money."

Explain to me how, by me being able to keep an additional 66k for every million in income, I am losing money. Please. Be specific.

The bill adds trillions of dollars to the debt. By 2032 the national debt will be about $50 trillion because of this bill.

Taxpayers already pay a trillion interest a year on our debt. 1) your taxes will go to pay even more interest on the debt because this adds to that burden. Interest on the debt is going to increase more. 2) the bill makes the SS trust fund run out a year earlier in 2032. Do you think Congress is going to let a bunch of seniors SS check get cut when the trust fund runs out? Hell no. How do you pay for it? Increase taxes or run even more debt.

Why isnt the answer to cut spending then? You talk as though a tax increase is the only solution, and it's not.

Cut money from what? We just got rid of USAID and fired thousands of federal workers and federal spending still going up.

That’s because do 60% of all federal
Spending is on SS, Medicare, defense and interest on the debt. This bill increases both defense spending and interest on the debt.

Take it up with seniors if you want to cut their SS or Medicare. Good luck with that.

I don't want to cut Medicaid. And I do think taxes will have to go up because our population is becoming inverted with too many old people and too few young people. I just dont see why that argument is 1) reason enough to keep taking and spending our money, which we will need to invest for our own futures, 2) the only answer. We should be cutting all this foreign aid, etc and taking care of our own people. We are on an unsustainable path of spending and the generations below us are going to get smacked hard if we dont change our ways.

Tell me what you want to cut. We just cut foreign aid (check). We just fired lots of federal employees (check). The nation’s deficit will still be higher this year because of the aging population, more defense spending and more interest on the debt and because of this bill. Tell me what you want to cut to bring spending down.

When the trust fund runs out in 2032, the two main answers are raise taxes or cut benefits.

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Get outside and touch some grass, simpletons. It's a beautiful day.

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Anonymous wrote:What higher deficit? They largely kept the same tax rates.
There would have been a higher debt no matter what budget passed, as we saw with all the CRs the last 15 years.
This time they managed to corral the conservatives whining about the deficit who refused to vote for any budget bill. Thus they didn't have to go to Democrats for votes and could pass a lower level of spending.

Those tax rates were set to expire because they could not be made permanent under reconciliation the first time around. When passed, Trump and Republicans assumed Trump would have two terms and the Dems would likely handle the fallout.

But now they have to handle it. And instead of doing that, they are making the tax cut permanent at a 3.3T cost of the deficit.

The deficit and debt will increase because these cuts were never meant to be permanent. They are not sustainable even with massive spending cuts. Republicans just proved that the level of spending cuts required to get the deficit under control are not viable politically. The only answer is tax increases, and instead of addressing the issue, they are kicking the can down the road and massively increasing the deficit and rate of increase to the debt.

No. The answer is to stop spending our money! It's not the government's money, it's not your money, etc. It's our money, and they can reduce the deficit by cutting programs that don't improve anything and arent working. All this foreign aid has bought us nothing but the hate of the nations we give it to. Covering medical bills of poor people has brought nothing but a growing "eat the rich" mentality. So no more. You want class warfare- or more accurately warfare between people who want to live and work honestly and those who don't-- you've got it now. We aren't duped. We know what we are doing.

You still don't get it, and you obviously DON'T know what you're doing, because they are going to be spending A LOT MORE of "your money."

Explain to me how, by me being able to keep an additional 66k for every million in income, I am losing money. Please. Be specific.

The bill adds trillions of dollars to the debt. By 2032 the national debt will be about $50 trillion because of this bill.

Taxpayers already pay a trillion interest a year on our debt. 1) your taxes will go to pay even more interest on the debt because this adds to that burden. Interest on the debt is going to increase more. 2) the bill makes the SS trust fund run out a year earlier in 2032. Do you think Congress is going to let a bunch of seniors SS check get cut when the trust fund runs out? Hell no. How do you pay for it? Increase taxes or run even more debt.

Why isnt the answer to cut spending then? You talk as though a tax increase is the only solution, and it's not.

Cut money from what? We just got rid of USAID and fired thousands of federal workers and federal spending still going up.

That’s because do 60% of all federal
Spending is on SS, Medicare, defense and interest on the debt. This bill increases both defense spending and interest on the debt.

Take it up with seniors if you want to cut their SS or Medicare. Good luck with that.

I don't want to cut Medicaid. And I do think taxes will have to go up because our population is becoming inverted with too many old people and too few young people. I just dont see why that argument is 1) reason enough to keep taking and spending our money, which we will need to invest for our own futures, 2) the only answer. We should be cutting all this foreign aid, etc and taking care of our own people. We are on an unsustainable path of spending and the generations below us are going to get smacked hard if we dont change our ways.

Tell me what you want to cut. We just cut foreign aid (check). We just fired lots of federal employees (check). The nation’s deficit will still be higher this year because of the aging population, more defense spending and more interest on the debt and because of this bill. Tell me what you want to cut to bring spending down.

When the trust fund runs out in 2032, the two main answers are raise taxes or cut benefits.

A lot of farm subsidies. For example, tax subsidies incentivize farmers to use a horrific hog farming method that pollutes groundwater and has led to an increase in cancer in places like Iowa. I'd like to stop funding that. Ethanol. Subsidies to processed food manufacturers. Reduce subsidies for higher education because it is leading to escalating education prices.

Also we can increase revenue. We can build a better tax base. We need to be far smarter about funding than we are now because we dont have enough babies to sustain this.

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Anonymous wrote:What higher deficit? They largely kept the same tax rates.
There would have been a higher debt no matter what budget passed, as we saw with all the CRs the last 15 years.
This time they managed to corral the conservatives whining about the deficit who refused to vote for any budget bill. Thus they didn't have to go to Democrats for votes and could pass a lower level of spending.

Those tax rates were set to expire because they could not be made permanent under reconciliation the first time around. When passed, Trump and Republicans assumed Trump would have two terms and the Dems would likely handle the fallout.

But now they have to handle it. And instead of doing that, they are making the tax cut permanent at a 3.3T cost of the deficit.

The deficit and debt will increase because these cuts were never meant to be permanent. They are not sustainable even with massive spending cuts. Republicans just proved that the level of spending cuts required to get the deficit under control are not viable politically. The only answer is tax increases, and instead of addressing the issue, they are kicking the can down the road and massively increasing the deficit and rate of increase to the debt.

No. The answer is to stop spending our money! It's not the government's money, it's not your money, etc. It's our money, and they can reduce the deficit by cutting programs that don't improve anything and arent working. All this foreign aid has bought us nothing but the hate of the nations we give it to. Covering medical bills of poor people has brought nothing but a growing "eat the rich" mentality. So no more. You want class warfare- or more accurately warfare between people who want to live and work honestly and those who don't-- you've got it now. We aren't duped. We know what we are doing.

You still don't get it, and you obviously DON'T know what you're doing, because they are going to be spending A LOT MORE of "your money."

Explain to me how, by me being able to keep an additional 66k for every million in income, I am losing money. Please. Be specific.

The bill adds trillions of dollars to the debt. By 2032 the national debt will be about $50 trillion because of this bill.

Taxpayers already pay a trillion interest a year on our debt. 1) your taxes will go to pay even more interest on the debt because this adds to that burden. Interest on the debt is going to increase more. 2) the bill makes the SS trust fund run out a year earlier in 2032. Do you think Congress is going to let a bunch of seniors SS check get cut when the trust fund runs out? Hell no. How do you pay for it? Increase taxes or run even more debt.

Why isnt the answer to cut spending then? You talk as though a tax increase is the only solution, and it's not.

Cut money from what? We just got rid of USAID and fired thousands of federal workers and federal spending still going up.

That’s because do 60% of all federal
Spending is on SS, Medicare, defense and interest on the debt. This bill increases both defense spending and interest on the debt.

Take it up with seniors if you want to cut their SS or Medicare. Good luck with that.

I don't want to cut Medicaid. And I do think taxes will have to go up because our population is becoming inverted with too many old people and too few young people. I just dont see why that argument is 1) reason enough to keep taking and spending our money, which we will need to invest for our own futures, 2) the only answer. We should be cutting all this foreign aid, etc and taking care of our own people. We are on an unsustainable path of spending and the generations below us are going to get smacked hard if we dont change our ways.

Tell me what you want to cut. We just cut foreign aid (check). We just fired lots of federal employees (check). The nation’s deficit will still be higher this year because of the aging population, more defense spending and more interest on the debt and because of this bill. Tell me what you want to cut to bring spending down.

When the trust fund runs out in 2032, the two main answers are raise taxes or cut benefits.

A lot of farm subsidies. For example, tax subsidies incentivize farmers to use a horrific hog farming method that pollutes groundwater and has led to an increase in cancer in places like Iowa. I'd like to stop funding that. Ethanol. Subsidies to processed food manufacturers. Reduce subsidies for higher education because it is leading to escalating education prices.

Also we can increase revenue. We can build a better tax base. We need to be far smarter about funding than we are now because we dont have enough babies to sustain this.

You realize the cuts to foreign aid and federal employees saved tiny amounts of money? In fact, the cuts to federal employees increase cost for the near term.

If you want to cut cost, you need to cut military spending, social security, ICE's new budget, or substantially cut the debt by raising taxes on those with enormous amounts of disposable income.

So which is it?

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Anonymous wrote:What higher deficit? They largely kept the same tax rates.
There would have been a higher debt no matter what budget passed, as we saw with all the CRs the last 15 years.
This time they managed to corral the conservatives whining about the deficit who refused to vote for any budget bill. Thus they didn't have to go to Democrats for votes and could pass a lower level of spending.

Those tax rates were set to expire because they could not be made permanent under reconciliation the first time around. When passed, Trump and Republicans assumed Trump would have two terms and the Dems would likely handle the fallout.

But now they have to handle it. And instead of doing that, they are making the tax cut permanent at a 3.3T cost of the deficit.

The deficit and debt will increase because these cuts were never meant to be permanent. They are not sustainable even with massive spending cuts. Republicans just proved that the level of spending cuts required to get the deficit under control are not viable politically. The only answer is tax increases, and instead of addressing the issue, they are kicking the can down the road and massively increasing the deficit and rate of increase to the debt.

No. The answer is to stop spending our money! It's not the government's money, it's not your money, etc. It's our money, and they can reduce the deficit by cutting programs that don't improve anything and arent working. All this foreign aid has bought us nothing but the hate of the nations we give it to. Covering medical bills of poor people has brought nothing but a growing "eat the rich" mentality. So no more. You want class warfare- or more accurately warfare between people who want to live and work honestly and those who don't-- you've got it now. We aren't duped. We know what we are doing.

You still don't get it, and you obviously DON'T know what you're doing, because they are going to be spending A LOT MORE of "your money."

Explain to me how, by me being able to keep an additional 66k for every million in income, I am losing money. Please. Be specific.

The bill adds trillions of dollars to the debt. By 2032 the national debt will be about $50 trillion because of this bill.

Taxpayers already pay a trillion interest a year on our debt. 1) your taxes will go to pay even more interest on the debt because this adds to that burden. Interest on the debt is going to increase more. 2) the bill makes the SS trust fund run out a year earlier in 2032. Do you think Congress is going to let a bunch of seniors SS check get cut when the trust fund runs out? Hell no. How do you pay for it? Increase taxes or run even more debt.

Why isnt the answer to cut spending then? You talk as though a tax increase is the only solution, and it's not.

Cut money from what? We just got rid of USAID and fired thousands of federal workers and federal spending still going up.

That’s because do 60% of all federal
Spending is on SS, Medicare, defense and interest on the debt. This bill increases both defense spending and interest on the debt.

Take it up with seniors if you want to cut their SS or Medicare. Good luck with that.

I don't want to cut Medicaid. And I do think taxes will have to go up because our population is becoming inverted with too many old people and too few young people. I just dont see why that argument is 1) reason enough to keep taking and spending our money, which we will need to invest for our own futures, 2) the only answer. We should be cutting all this foreign aid, etc and taking care of our own people. We are on an unsustainable path of spending and the generations below us are going to get smacked hard if we dont change our ways.

Tell me what you want to cut. We just cut foreign aid (check). We just fired lots of federal employees (check). The nation’s deficit will still be higher this year because of the aging population, more defense spending and more interest on the debt and because of this bill. Tell me what you want to cut to bring spending down.

When the trust fund runs out in 2032, the two main answers are raise taxes or cut benefits.

A lot of farm subsidies. For example, tax subsidies incentivize farmers to use a horrific hog farming method that pollutes groundwater and has led to an increase in cancer in places like Iowa. I'd like to stop funding that. Ethanol. Subsidies to processed food manufacturers. Reduce subsidies for higher education because it is leading to escalating education prices.

Also we can increase revenue. We can build a better tax base. We need to be far smarter about funding than we are now because we dont have enough babies to sustain this.

I’ll gladly cut farm subsidies but this bill just made them more expensive. Do you think red states are going to let republicans cut their farm subsidies? And it’s still not enough to make up the hole when trust fund runs out.

I’d love a low broad tax base. The new temporary tax cuts in this bill for OT and tips and seniors go the opposite direction. They’re terrible tax policy and just populist giveaways that aren’t pro-growth.

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Anonymous wrote:… if they’re not billionaires? They honestly believe that the cuts to Medicaid will only kick out “illegals” and lazy people? That the new higher deficit won’t have a negative impact on the economy and everyday people? I’m really trying to understand how Rep voters believe this. Is it Fox News propaganda? Are they really that gullible?

I give no effs about lazy losers on Medicaid.

There are significant benefits to this bill for the not-rich average American. My DH is a LEO and the no tax on overtime will be huge in our house, we were doing the math on that last night. I expect a lot of middle class people who work an hourly wage will find this benefit substantial.

Deductions for social security is also a big winner.

I am a small business owner and the depreciation of 100% now for equipment is huge. So is the pass through deduction of 20%.

So no we aren’t gullible or stupid, we just know how to read.

All in favor of income redistribution when you are the benficiary. Odd how that works.

Keeping my own income is not redistribution. Jesus Christ people.

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Anonymous wrote:What higher deficit? They largely kept the same tax rates.
There would have been a higher debt no matter what budget passed, as we saw with all the CRs the last 15 years.
This time they managed to corral the conservatives whining about the deficit who refused to vote for any budget bill. Thus they didn't have to go to Democrats for votes and could pass a lower level of spending.

Those tax rates were set to expire because they could not be made permanent under reconciliation the first time around. When passed, Trump and Republicans assumed Trump would have two terms and the Dems would likely handle the fallout.

But now they have to handle it. And instead of doing that, they are making the tax cut permanent at a 3.3T cost of the deficit.

The deficit and debt will increase because these cuts were never meant to be permanent. They are not sustainable even with massive spending cuts. Republicans just proved that the level of spending cuts required to get the deficit under control are not viable politically. The only answer is tax increases, and instead of addressing the issue, they are kicking the can down the road and massively increasing the deficit and rate of increase to the debt.

No. The answer is to stop spending our money! It's not the government's money, it's not your money, etc. It's our money, and they can reduce the deficit by cutting programs that don't improve anything and arent working. All this foreign aid has bought us nothing but the hate of the nations we give it to. Covering medical bills of poor people has brought nothing but a growing "eat the rich" mentality. So no more. You want class warfare- or more accurately warfare between people who want to live and work honestly and those who don't-- you've got it now. We aren't duped. We know what we are doing.

You still don't get it, and you obviously DON'T know what you're doing, because they are going to be spending A LOT MORE of "your money."

Explain to me how, by me being able to keep an additional 66k for every million in income, I am losing money. Please. Be specific.

The bill adds trillions of dollars to the debt. By 2032 the national debt will be about $50 trillion because of this bill.

Taxpayers already pay a trillion interest a year on our debt. 1) your taxes will go to pay even more interest on the debt because this adds to that burden. Interest on the debt is going to increase more. 2) the bill makes the SS trust fund run out a year earlier in 2032. Do you think Congress is going to let a bunch of seniors SS check get cut when the trust fund runs out? Hell no. How do you pay for it? Increase taxes or run even more debt.

Why isnt the answer to cut spending then? You talk as though a tax increase is the only solution, and it's not.

Cut money from what? We just got rid of USAID and fired thousands of federal workers and federal spending still going up.

That’s because do 60% of all federal
Spending is on SS, Medicare, defense and interest on the debt. This bill increases both defense spending and interest on the debt.

Take it up with seniors if you want to cut their SS or Medicare. Good luck with that.

I don't want to cut Medicaid. And I do think taxes will have to go up because our population is becoming inverted with too many old people and too few young people. I just dont see why that argument is 1) reason enough to keep taking and spending our money, which we will need to invest for our own futures, 2) the only answer. We should be cutting all this foreign aid, etc and taking care of our own people. We are on an unsustainable path of spending and the generations below us are going to get smacked hard if we dont change our ways.

Tell me what you want to cut. We just cut foreign aid (check). We just fired lots of federal employees (check). The nation’s deficit will still be higher this year because of the aging population, more defense spending and more interest on the debt and because of this bill. Tell me what you want to cut to bring spending down.

When the trust fund runs out in 2032, the two main answers are raise taxes or cut benefits.

A lot of farm subsidies. For example, tax subsidies incentivize farmers to use a horrific hog farming method that pollutes groundwater and has led to an increase in cancer in places like Iowa. I'd like to stop funding that. Ethanol. Subsidies to processed food manufacturers. Reduce subsidies for higher education because it is leading to escalating education prices.

Also we can increase revenue. We can build a better tax base. We need to be far smarter about funding than we are now because we dont have enough babies to sustain this.

I’ll gladly cut farm subsidies but this bill just made them more expensive. Do you think red states are going to let republicans cut their farm subsidies? And it’s still not enough to make up the hole when trust fund runs out.

I’d love a low broad tax base. The new temporary tax cuts in this bill for OT and tips and seniors go the opposite direction. They’re terrible tax policy and just populist giveaways that aren’t pro-growth.

Farmers

The actual welfare queens

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Anonymous wrote:What higher deficit? They largely kept the same tax rates.
There would have been a higher debt no matter what budget passed, as we saw with all the CRs the last 15 years.
This time they managed to corral the conservatives whining about the deficit who refused to vote for any budget bill. Thus they didn't have to go to Democrats for votes and could pass a lower level of spending.

Those tax rates were set to expire because they could not be made permanent under reconciliation the first time around. When passed, Trump and Republicans assumed Trump would have two terms and the Dems would likely handle the fallout.

But now they have to handle it. And instead of doing that, they are making the tax cut permanent at a 3.3T cost of the deficit.

The deficit and debt will increase because these cuts were never meant to be permanent. They are not sustainable even with massive spending cuts. Republicans just proved that the level of spending cuts required to get the deficit under control are not viable politically. The only answer is tax increases, and instead of addressing the issue, they are kicking the can down the road and massively increasing the deficit and rate of increase to the debt.

No. The answer is to stop spending our money! It's not the government's money, it's not your money, etc. It's our money, and they can reduce the deficit by cutting programs that don't improve anything and arent working. All this foreign aid has bought us nothing but the hate of the nations we give it to. Covering medical bills of poor people has brought nothing but a growing "eat the rich" mentality. So no more. You want class warfare- or more accurately warfare between people who want to live and work honestly and those who don't-- you've got it now. We aren't duped. We know what we are doing.

You still don't get it, and you obviously DON'T know what you're doing, because they are going to be spending A LOT MORE of "your money."

Explain to me how, by me being able to keep an additional 66k for every million in income, I am losing money. Please. Be specific.

The bill adds trillions of dollars to the debt. By 2032 the national debt will be about $50 trillion because of this bill.

Taxpayers already pay a trillion interest a year on our debt. 1) your taxes will go to pay even more interest on the debt because this adds to that burden. Interest on the debt is going to increase more. 2) the bill makes the SS trust fund run out a year earlier in 2032. Do you think Congress is going to let a bunch of seniors SS check get cut when the trust fund runs out? Hell no. How do you pay for it? Increase taxes or run even more debt.

Why isnt the answer to cut spending then? You talk as though a tax increase is the only solution, and it's not.

Cut money from what? We just got rid of USAID and fired thousands of federal workers and federal spending still going up.

That’s because do 60% of all federal
Spending is on SS, Medicare, defense and interest on the debt. This bill increases both defense spending and interest on the debt.

Take it up with seniors if you want to cut their SS or Medicare. Good luck with that.

I don't want to cut Medicaid. And I do think taxes will have to go up because our population is becoming inverted with too many old people and too few young people. I just dont see why that argument is 1) reason enough to keep taking and spending our money, which we will need to invest for our own futures, 2) the only answer. We should be cutting all this foreign aid, etc and taking care of our own people. We are on an unsustainable path of spending and the generations below us are going to get smacked hard if we dont change our ways.

Tell me what you want to cut. We just cut foreign aid (check). We just fired lots of federal employees (check). The nation’s deficit will still be higher this year because of the aging population, more defense spending and more interest on the debt and because of this bill. Tell me what you want to cut to bring spending down.

When the trust fund runs out in 2032, the two main answers are raise taxes or cut benefits.

A lot of farm subsidies. For example, tax subsidies incentivize farmers to use a horrific hog farming method that pollutes groundwater and has led to an increase in cancer in places like Iowa. I'd like to stop funding that. Ethanol. Subsidies to processed food manufacturers. Reduce subsidies for higher education because it is leading to escalating education prices.

Also we can increase revenue. We can build a better tax base. We need to be far smarter about funding than we are now because we dont have enough babies to sustain this.

Omg. For the love of god go read this bill. It increases money for farm subsidies. Increases subsidies for ethanol. Because Republicans always take care of their farmers.

And it cuts loan limits and Pell grants. The loan limits are one of the few good thing in this bill. But those minuscule “savings” are already in this bill that adds trillions to the debt. So it is Still not an answer to what will you cut when the trust fund runs out in 2032.

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Anonymous wrote:… if they’re not billionaires? They honestly believe that the cuts to Medicaid will only kick out “illegals” and lazy people? That the new higher deficit won’t have a negative impact on the economy and everyday people? I’m really trying to understand how Rep voters believe this. Is it Fox News propaganda? Are they really that gullible?

I give no effs about lazy losers on Medicaid.

There are significant benefits to this bill for the not-rich average American. My DH is a LEO and the no tax on overtime will be huge in our house, we were doing the math on that last night. I expect a lot of middle class people who work an hourly wage will find this benefit substantial.

Deductions for social security is also a big winner.

I am a small business owner and the depreciation of 100% now for equipment is huge. So is the pass through deduction of 20%.

So no we aren’t gullible or stupid, we just know how to read.

All in favor of income redistribution when you are the benficiary. Odd how that works.

Keeping my own income is not redistribution. Jesus Christ people.

Great!

Let me know when you want to fund your own army.

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Anonymous wrote:… if they’re not billionaires? They honestly believe that the cuts to Medicaid will only kick out “illegals” and lazy people? That the new higher deficit won’t have a negative impact on the economy and everyday people? I’m really trying to understand how Rep voters believe this. Is it Fox News propaganda? Are they really that gullible?

I give no effs about lazy losers on Medicaid.

There are significant benefits to this bill for the not-rich average American. My DH is a LEO and the no tax on overtime will be huge in our house, we were doing the math on that last night. I expect a lot of middle class people who work an hourly wage will find this benefit substantial.

Deductions for social security is also a big winner.

I am a small business owner and the depreciation of 100% now for equipment is huge. So is the pass through deduction of 20%.

So no we aren’t gullible or stupid, we just know how to read.

All in favor of income redistribution when you are the benficiary. Odd how that works.

Keeping my own income is not redistribution. Jesus Christ people.

I guess you don't know how tax subsidies work. And how these provisions are nothing but grand distorters of the economy.

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Anonymous wrote:… if they’re not billionaires? They honestly believe that the cuts to Medicaid will only kick out “illegals” and lazy people? That the new higher deficit won’t have a negative impact on the economy and everyday people? I’m really trying to understand how Rep voters believe this. Is it Fox News propaganda? Are they really that gullible?

I give no effs about lazy losers on Medicaid.

There are significant benefits to this bill for the not-rich average American. My DH is a LEO and the no tax on overtime will be huge in our house, we were doing the math on that last night. I expect a lot of middle class people who work an hourly wage will find this benefit substantial.

Deductions for social security is also a big winner.

I am a small business owner and the depreciation of 100% now for equipment is huge. So is the pass through deduction of 20%.

So no we aren’t gullible or stupid, we just know how to read.

All in favor of income redistribution when you are the benficiary. Odd how that works.

Keeping my own income is not redistribution. Jesus Christ people.

Great!

Let me know when you want to fund your own army.

The close to 1 million in federal taxes I’ve paid during my lifetime covers that.

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Anonymous wrote:All the people who think the middle class will benefit because of a tax break or two don't get how much less their money will be worth.

Your medical insurance will cost substantially more.

Your home insurance will cost more.

Your food will cost substantially more (bye bye, farm workers )!

Your hotel stays will cost more (bye bye, room cleaners).

Either your local taxes will go up substantially, town or city will have more unemployed, more kids unsupervised after school, and more families going hungry.

Your clothes, your appliances, your cars, pretty much everything you buy will cost more thanks to tariffs.

Your energy costs will be higher and your air quality will be worse.

Loans for higher education will be less available.

Your national parks will be fewer and less well maintained.

And on and on and on.

But what extra money you keep, the multimillionaires and billionaires will be getting multiple times more--not only in absolute terms, but in percentage terms too.

Their gains will far outpace the increases in the basic living costs. They will have more to spend on jets, art, luxury travel, private schools, security for their compound in their gated enclave or on their gated island, and buying up more small businesses that can no longer compete due to the higher costs of imported inputs and labor.

Your supposed gains are so outdone by the wealthy that you move lower on the ladder.

Enjoy the crumbs.

Please back up your crazed rant with some kind of analysis.

Er, just read the Big Ugly Bill.

Please explain where the above is wrong.

Your denial of the facts does't change them. I don't need to persuade you, time will.

Okay so your argument is "trust me bro"? And I'm, naturally, a fascistic moron if I dont just trust you?

Isn't this thread about how dumb we are, and now you're saying that you won't provide any analysis or support for your hollow and hyperbolic claims, but yet WE are the easily manipulated idiots? Ok.

I'm not saying you need to trust me. I'm saying these things are direct, first order effects of the legislation (and some of the EOs). It doesn't require analysis; it requires obtuseness not to see these impacts.

The bill will save me six figures on my tax bill each year. Even if some of your raw, unsupported assertions are true, it is entirely unlikely that these costs would amount to six figures. Okay? So if you're to claim I'm a duped moron incapable of understanding economics, you need to break down the math.

If you had six figures to save, then you are very rich. And you’ve proved the point that this bill is about helping rich people like you.

The OPs claim is that this bill helps only billionaires. I'm not a billionaire.

You sure showed OP. This bill also benefits people making multiple millions a year in income. It’s truly for the middle class!

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Anonymous wrote:… if they’re not billionaires? They honestly believe that the cuts to Medicaid will only kick out “illegals” and lazy people? That the new higher deficit won’t have a negative impact on the economy and everyday people? I’m really trying to understand how Rep voters believe this. Is it Fox News propaganda? Are they really that gullible?

I give no effs about lazy losers on Medicaid.

There are significant benefits to this bill for the not-rich average American. My DH is a LEO and the no tax on overtime will be huge in our house, we were doing the math on that last night. I expect a lot of middle class people who work an hourly wage will find this benefit substantial.

Deductions for social security is also a big winner.

I am a small business owner and the depreciation of 100% now for equipment is huge. So is the pass through deduction of 20%.

So no we aren’t gullible or stupid, we just know how to read.

All in favor of income redistribution when you are the benficiary. Odd how that works.

Keeping my own income is not redistribution. Jesus Christ people.

Great!

Let me know when you want to fund your own army.

The close to 1 million in federal taxes I’ve paid during my lifetime covers that.

Cool. Marking you down for no tax hikes; prefers cuts to SS and Medicare.