Do Rep Voters Honestly Believe that the BBB Will Benefit Them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What higher deficit? They largely kept the same tax rates.
There would have been a higher debt no matter what budget passed, as we saw with all the CRs the last 15 years.
This time they managed to corral the conservatives whining about the deficit who refused to vote for any budget bill. Thus they didn't have to go to Democrats for votes and could pass a lower level of spending.

Those tax rates were set to expire because they could not be made permanent under reconciliation the first time around. When passed, Trump and Republicans assumed Trump would have two terms and the Dems would likely handle the fallout.

But now they have to handle it. And instead of doing that, they are making the tax cut permanent at a 3.3T cost of the deficit.

The deficit and debt will increase because these cuts were never meant to be permanent. They are not sustainable even with massive spending cuts. Republicans just proved that the level of spending cuts required to get the deficit under control are not viable politically. The only answer is tax increases, and instead of addressing the issue, they are kicking the can down the road and massively increasing the deficit and rate of increase to the debt.

No. The answer is to stop spending our money! It's not the government's money, it's not your money, etc. It's our money, and they can reduce the deficit by cutting programs that don't improve anything and arent working. All this foreign aid has bought us nothing but the hate of the nations we give it to. Covering medical bills of poor people has brought nothing but a growing "eat the rich" mentality. So no more. You want class warfare- or more accurately warfare between people who want to live and work honestly and those who don't-- you've got it now. We aren't duped. We know what we are doing.

You still don't get it, and you obviously DON'T know what you're doing, because they are going to be spending A LOT MORE of "your money."

Explain to me how, by me being able to keep an additional 66k for every million in income, I am losing money. Please. Be specific.

National debt. Interest. Are those medicaid freeloaders gonna pay for it when they start picking watermelons to replace the illegal immigrants?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes absolutely. For every million in income, you save an average of 66k. You don't have to be a billionaire for this to be significant cost savings.

Every single tax bracket is getting tax relief. And unless you're a non-working adult on medicaid without a legit reason like illness or dependent care, the health aspects won't affect you. And if you are lounging around without a job and getting medicaid, you just get a job like everyone else. It only requires 20 hours of work per week- most people double that. So I don't see the problem.

That concept about lounging around and getting medicaid is so WEIRD, as if medicaid is something you can trade to someone on a street corner outside a bodega for cash to buy drugs or whatever. Also, if you look at the math, it's unlikely there are enough fully able bodied and work capable people getting medicaid to be kicked off to account for the dollars they are cutting. By your own argument, they would be presumptively health enough to not require much in the way of medical care.

Some of these cuts have to do with keeping the medical system functioning, period. For example, Medicaid partially reimburses providers for bad medical debt accrued by dual Medicare/Medicaid patients who by definition are elderly or disabled, and poor. This is debt that is written off by providers as uncollectible, and the provider has to prove that all available means were taken to collect that debt. The reimbursement rate is 65% and helps keep providers in low income areas especially afloat. The program doesn't go away, it becomes much more restrictive and the reimbursement as little as 25%. Keep in mind that's 25% of unpaid charges that are already lower than what most private insurance covers or the "book price" cost of care.

The savings the GOP trumpets do not tell the whole story by any means, and those savings don't come close to covering the 800B cut. They are buried in changes to Social Security laws (which is where Medicaid, for example, is located in the US Code) and all you see in the legislation is "amendment" to some statute, section, line, and would have to spent a year trying to figure out what it actually means in the real world. You have to go to places like kff.org or other places to get information from the experts who have actually dug through this bill and know what it talks about. GOP legislators certainly did not do that.

You need to pick an argument, because you cant have both. You cant both argue that there aren't enough people on medicaid AND that this will cast millions of people into medical poverty. It either has wide reaching effects or it doesn't.

They are mitigating the impact to providers with alternative payments.

Most of the savings come from cutting green energy subsidies anyway.

They aren't cutting biofuel subsidies, they are expanding them. Gift to corn production. That's one reason ag groups like the bill. They are also increasing the reference prices that have to go with federal commodities price supports. Just like Trump 1.0 when ag cash subsidies tripled.

I didn't say biofuel. Strawman argument. I said, like the bill said, green energy subsidies. As outlined in the Green New Deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What higher deficit? They largely kept the same tax rates.
There would have been a higher debt no matter what budget passed, as we saw with all the CRs the last 15 years.
This time they managed to corral the conservatives whining about the deficit who refused to vote for any budget bill. Thus they didn't have to go to Democrats for votes and could pass a lower level of spending.

Those tax rates were set to expire because they could not be made permanent under reconciliation the first time around. When passed, Trump and Republicans assumed Trump would have two terms and the Dems would likely handle the fallout.

But now they have to handle it. And instead of doing that, they are making the tax cut permanent at a 3.3T cost of the deficit.

The deficit and debt will increase because these cuts were never meant to be permanent. They are not sustainable even with massive spending cuts. Republicans just proved that the level of spending cuts required to get the deficit under control are not viable politically. The only answer is tax increases, and instead of addressing the issue, they are kicking the can down the road and massively increasing the deficit and rate of increase to the debt.

No. The answer is to stop spending our money! It's not the government's money, it's not your money, etc. It's our money, and they can reduce the deficit by cutting programs that don't improve anything and arent working. All this foreign aid has bought us nothing but the hate of the nations we give it to. Covering medical bills of poor people has brought nothing but a growing "eat the rich" mentality. So no more. You want class warfare- or more accurately warfare between people who want to live and work honestly and those who don't-- you've got it now. We aren't duped. We know what we are doing.

You still don't get it, and you obviously DON'T know what you're doing, because they are going to be spending A LOT MORE of "your money."

Explain to me how, by me being able to keep an additional 66k for every million in income, I am losing money. Please. Be specific.

National debt. Interest. Are those medicaid freeloaders gonna pay for it when they start picking watermelons to replace the illegal immigrants?

That is speculative and abstract. Be specific. Where will my costs or tax burden increase?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The question is are we willing to accept the collateral damage?

Just like in any battle or war...there is collateral damage. To what extent are we willing to accept collateral damage?

I am willing to accept freeloaders needing to work like everyone else. I am confident that we can manage this as a society.

[Anonymous]

All the people who think the middle class will benefit because of a tax break or two don't get how much less their money will be worth.

Your medical insurance will cost substantially more.

Your home insurance will cost more.

Your food will cost substantially more (bye bye, farm workers )!

Your hotel stays will cost more (bye bye, room cleaners).

Either your local taxes will go up substantially, town or city will have more unemployed, more kids unsupervised after school, and more families going hungry.

Your clothes, your appliances, your cars, pretty much everything you buy will cost more thanks to tariffs.

Your energy costs will be higher and your air quality will be worse.

Loans for higher education will be less available.

Your national parks will be fewer and less well maintained.

And on and on and on.

But what extra money you keep, the multimillionaires and billionaires will be getting multiple times more--not only in absolute terms, but in percentage terms too.

Their gains will far outpace the increases in the basic living costs. They will have more to spend on jets, art, luxury travel, private schools, security for their compound in their gated enclave or on their gated island, and buying up more small businesses that can no longer compete due to the higher costs of imported inputs and labor.

Your supposed gains are so outdone by the wealthy that you move lower on the ladder.

Enjoy the crumbs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the people who think the middle class will benefit because of a tax break or two don't get how much less their money will be worth.

Your medical insurance will cost substantially more.

Your home insurance will cost more.

Your food will cost substantially more (bye bye, farm workers )!

Your hotel stays will cost more (bye bye, room cleaners).

Either your local taxes will go up substantially, town or city will have more unemployed, more kids unsupervised after school, and more families going hungry.

Your clothes, your appliances, your cars, pretty much everything you buy will cost more thanks to tariffs.

Your energy costs will be higher and your air quality will be worse.

Loans for higher education will be less available.

Your national parks will be fewer and less well maintained.

And on and on and on.

But what extra money you keep, the multimillionaires and billionaires will be getting multiple times more--not only in absolute terms, but in percentage terms too.

Their gains will far outpace the increases in the basic living costs. They will have more to spend on jets, art, luxury travel, private schools, security for their compound in their gated enclave or on their gated island, and buying up more small businesses that can no longer compete due to the higher costs of imported inputs and labor.

Your supposed gains are so outdone by the wealthy that you move lower on the ladder.

Enjoy the crumbs.

Please back up your crazed rant with some kind of analysis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the people who think the middle class will benefit because of a tax break or two don't get how much less their money will be worth.

Your medical insurance will cost substantially more.

Your home insurance will cost more.

Your food will cost substantially more (bye bye, farm workers )!

Your hotel stays will cost more (bye bye, room cleaners).

Either your local taxes will go up substantially, town or city will have more unemployed, more kids unsupervised after school, and more families going hungry.

Your clothes, your appliances, your cars, pretty much everything you buy will cost more thanks to tariffs.

Your energy costs will be higher and your air quality will be worse.

Loans for higher education will be less available.

Your national parks will be fewer and less well maintained.

And on and on and on.

But what extra money you keep, the multimillionaires and billionaires will be getting multiple times more--not only in absolute terms, but in percentage terms too.

Their gains will far outpace the increases in the basic living costs. They will have more to spend on jets, art, luxury travel, private schools, security for their compound in their gated enclave or on their gated island, and buying up more small businesses that can no longer compete due to the higher costs of imported inputs and labor.

Your supposed gains are so outdone by the wealthy that you move lower on the ladder.

Enjoy the crumbs.

Please back up your crazed rant with some kind of analysis.

Er, just read the Big Ugly Bill.

Please explain where the above is wrong.

Your denial of the facts does't change them. I don't need to persuade you, time will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the people who think the middle class will benefit because of a tax break or two don't get how much less their money will be worth.

Your medical insurance will cost substantially more.

Your home insurance will cost more.

Your food will cost substantially more (bye bye, farm workers )!

Your hotel stays will cost more (bye bye, room cleaners).

Either your local taxes will go up substantially, town or city will have more unemployed, more kids unsupervised after school, and more families going hungry.

Your clothes, your appliances, your cars, pretty much everything you buy will cost more thanks to tariffs.

Your energy costs will be higher and your air quality will be worse.

Loans for higher education will be less available.

Your national parks will be fewer and less well maintained.

And on and on and on.

But what extra money you keep, the multimillionaires and billionaires will be getting multiple times more--not only in absolute terms, but in percentage terms too.

Their gains will far outpace the increases in the basic living costs. They will have more to spend on jets, art, luxury travel, private schools, security for their compound in their gated enclave or on their gated island, and buying up more small businesses that can no longer compete due to the higher costs of imported inputs and labor.

Your supposed gains are so outdone by the wealthy that you move lower on the ladder.

Enjoy the crumbs.

Please back up your crazed rant with some kind of analysis.

Er, just read the Big Ugly Bill.

Please explain where the above is wrong.

Your denial of the facts does't change them. I don't need to persuade you, time will.

Okay so your argument is "trust me bro"? And I'm, naturally, a fascistic moron if I dont just trust you?

Isn't this thread about how dumb we are, and now you're saying that you won't provide any analysis or support for your hollow and hyperbolic claims, but yet WE are the easily manipulated idiots? Ok.

[Anonymous]

The bill caps law student loans at $50,000 a year. I feel having fewer lawyers is a public benefit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the people who think the middle class will benefit because of a tax break or two don't get how much less their money will be worth.

Your medical insurance will cost substantially more.

Your home insurance will cost more.

Your food will cost substantially more (bye bye, farm workers )!

Your hotel stays will cost more (bye bye, room cleaners).

Either your local taxes will go up substantially, town or city will have more unemployed, more kids unsupervised after school, and more families going hungry.

Your clothes, your appliances, your cars, pretty much everything you buy will cost more thanks to tariffs.

Your energy costs will be higher and your air quality will be worse.

Loans for higher education will be less available.

Your national parks will be fewer and less well maintained.

And on and on and on.

But what extra money you keep, the multimillionaires and billionaires will be getting multiple times more--not only in absolute terms, but in percentage terms too.

Their gains will far outpace the increases in the basic living costs. They will have more to spend on jets, art, luxury travel, private schools, security for their compound in their gated enclave or on their gated island, and buying up more small businesses that can no longer compete due to the higher costs of imported inputs and labor.

Your supposed gains are so outdone by the wealthy that you move lower on the ladder.

Enjoy the crumbs.

Please back up your crazed rant with some kind of analysis.

Er, just read the Big Ugly Bill.

Please explain where the above is wrong.

Your denial of the facts does't change them. I don't need to persuade you, time will.

Okay so your argument is "trust me bro"? And I'm, naturally, a fascistic moron if I dont just trust you?

Isn't this thread about how dumb we are, and now you're saying that you won't provide any analysis or support for your hollow and hyperbolic claims, but yet WE are the easily manipulated idiots? Ok.

I'm not saying you need to trust me. I'm saying these things are direct, first order effects of the legislation (and some of the EOs). It doesn't require analysis; it requires obtuseness not to see these impacts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the people who think the middle class will benefit because of a tax break or two don't get how much less their money will be worth.

Your medical insurance will cost substantially more.

Your home insurance will cost more.

Your food will cost substantially more (bye bye, farm workers )!

Your hotel stays will cost more (bye bye, room cleaners).

Either your local taxes will go up substantially, town or city will have more unemployed, more kids unsupervised after school, and more families going hungry.

Your clothes, your appliances, your cars, pretty much everything you buy will cost more thanks to tariffs.

Your energy costs will be higher and your air quality will be worse.

Loans for higher education will be less available.

Your national parks will be fewer and less well maintained.

And on and on and on.

But what extra money you keep, the multimillionaires and billionaires will be getting multiple times more--not only in absolute terms, but in percentage terms too.

Their gains will far outpace the increases in the basic living costs. They will have more to spend on jets, art, luxury travel, private schools, security for their compound in their gated enclave or on their gated island, and buying up more small businesses that can no longer compete due to the higher costs of imported inputs and labor.

Your supposed gains are so outdone by the wealthy that you move lower on the ladder.

Enjoy the crumbs.

Please back up your crazed rant with some kind of analysis.

Er, just read the Big Ugly Bill.

Please explain where the above is wrong.

Your denial of the facts does't change them. I don't need to persuade you, time will.

Okay so your argument is "trust me bro"? And I'm, naturally, a fascistic moron if I dont just trust you?

Isn't this thread about how dumb we are, and now you're saying that you won't provide any analysis or support for your hollow and hyperbolic claims, but yet WE are the easily manipulated idiots? Ok.

I'm not saying you need to trust me. I'm saying these things are direct, first order effects of the legislation (and some of the EOs). It doesn't require analysis; it requires obtuseness not to see these impacts.

The bill will save me six figures on my tax bill each year. Even if some of your raw, unsupported assertions are true, it is entirely unlikely that these costs would amount to six figures. Okay? So if you're to claim I'm a duped moron incapable of understanding economics, you need to break down the math.

[Anonymous]

If the BBB is such a wonderful thing, why is it that it is so unpopular? Here are results from a Fox poll.

The Fox News poll conducted from June 13-16, 2025, revealed significant public sentiment toward President Donald Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill." According to the poll:

- **Overall Approval**: 59% of voters opposed the bill, while 38% favored it, resulting in a net disapproval of 21 points.
- **Partisan Breakdown**:
- 73% of Republicans supported the bill.
- 89% of Democrats opposed it.
- 73% of Independents also opposed the measure.
- **Impact on Families**:
- 49% of respondents believed the bill would hurt their families.
- 23% thought it would help.
- 26% felt it would make no difference.

These results indicate a broad lack of public support for the legislation, with significant opposition across most demographic groups except for Republicans, particularly those aligned with the MAGA movement.[](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-donald-trumps-big-beautiful-bill-test-our-democracy)[](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americans-weigh-big-beautiful-bill-polls)[](https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-weigh-trumps-big-beautiful-154836416.html)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the people who think the middle class will benefit because of a tax break or two don't get how much less their money will be worth.

Your medical insurance will cost substantially more.

Your home insurance will cost more.

Your food will cost substantially more (bye bye, farm workers )!

Your hotel stays will cost more (bye bye, room cleaners).

Either your local taxes will go up substantially, town or city will have more unemployed, more kids unsupervised after school, and more families going hungry.

Your clothes, your appliances, your cars, pretty much everything you buy will cost more thanks to tariffs.

Your energy costs will be higher and your air quality will be worse.

Loans for higher education will be less available.

Your national parks will be fewer and less well maintained.

And on and on and on.

But what extra money you keep, the multimillionaires and billionaires will be getting multiple times more--not only in absolute terms, but in percentage terms too.

Their gains will far outpace the increases in the basic living costs. They will have more to spend on jets, art, luxury travel, private schools, security for their compound in their gated enclave or on their gated island, and buying up more small businesses that can no longer compete due to the higher costs of imported inputs and labor.

Your supposed gains are so outdone by the wealthy that you move lower on the ladder.

Enjoy the crumbs.

Please back up your crazed rant with some kind of analysis.

Er, just read the Big Ugly Bill.

Please explain where the above is wrong.

Your denial of the facts does't change them. I don't need to persuade you, time will.

Okay so your argument is "trust me bro"? And I'm, naturally, a fascistic moron if I dont just trust you?

Isn't this thread about how dumb we are, and now you're saying that you won't provide any analysis or support for your hollow and hyperbolic claims, but yet WE are the easily manipulated idiots? Ok.

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PP writes a bunch of doomsday talking points from the Democratic Party - none of them facts - then says, "Please explain where the above is wrong." And, then says .."Your denial of the facts don't change them."

Hey, PP - everyone of your "predictions" has the word "will" in it - indicating something happening in the future. Which means that these are all your predictions. Nothing you wrote is factual. Factual means it can be proven. Nothing you wrote can be proven.

It's like me saying "An asteroid will hit the earth sometime next year" and then insisting that is a fact and asking you to explain where I'm wrong.

I think you need to learn the difference between fact and opinion and *when* you have an opinion, back it up with analysis.

[Anonymous]

The GOP has overpromised and the bill under delivers. Even strategists are asking them to tone it down. GOP keeps saying “it’s be the biggest tax cut in history” but mainly it’s just an extension of current rates. People are wanting more money now because prices are starting to go up. And they’re not going to see any real difference on taxes.

Some people will benefit from a few new temporary cuts. But Poor seniors won’t get the new senior deduction. Poor families won’t get the expanded child credit. A lot of people won’t get much benefit out of no tax on tips because they don’t report most of their tips in any case. Biggest winners are probably cops and other people who get a lot of OT pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the BBB is such a wonderful thing, why is it that it is so unpopular? Here are results from a Fox poll.

The Fox News poll conducted from June 13-16, 2025, revealed significant public sentiment toward President Donald Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill." According to the poll:

- **Overall Approval**: 59% of voters opposed the bill, while 38% favored it, resulting in a net disapproval of 21 points.
- **Partisan Breakdown**:
- 73% of Republicans supported the bill.
- 89% of Democrats opposed it.
- 73% of Independents also opposed the measure.
- **Impact on Families**:
- 49% of respondents believed the bill would hurt their families.
- 23% thought it would help.
- 26% felt it would make no difference.

These results indicate a broad lack of public support for the legislation, with significant opposition across most demographic groups except for Republicans, particularly those aligned with the MAGA movement.[](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-donald-trumps-big-beautiful-bill-test-our-democracy)[](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americans-weigh-big-beautiful-bill-polls)[](https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-weigh-trumps-big-beautiful-154836416.html)

Because the information environment is polluted by partisan priorities and poignant piano pieces.