Is Cornell really still the "worst" ivy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't know Brown and Dartmouth were Ivies. Or Penn.

This is more an insult to you than the schools.

PP you replied to. I'm not American, and the detailed rankings of US schools don't interest me enormously. Sometimes it's useful to remember that outside of the US, no one knows about any of these schools apart from Harvard, and occasionally Stanford, MIT, Yale or Princeton. And the latter only if you ask the educated, worldly people.

Perspective. It's important to not get too caught up in which schools your kid is applying to.

Ok so you’re not educated and worldly? What a self own.

DP. It's also false to say that outside of the US, people are not aware of any schools besides Harvard. Among globally mobile/highly-educated professionals, there can be awareness of various US institutions, especially the R1 universities. In addition, various countries' elites often have connections to particular schools. Cornell had early high-level ties to pre-Communist China and Thailand, among other places.

https://blogs.cornell.edu/earlyasianalumni/alumni/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s put it this way: which is the only Ivy with a guaranteed transfer option?

Let’s put it this way: Brown has gone deeper to WL on a per capita basis than Cornell this year.

Numbers and source. Otherwise bs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: HYP
Tier 2: Wharton, Dyson
Tier 3: Columbia CC SEAS, Penn non-Wharton, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell non-Dyson non-contract.
Tier 4: Cornell contract colleges

Agree?

People who think that partial state funding contaminates a school and diminishes the academic experience are horrible snobs.

What your snobbery overlooks is the more egalitarian, modern, democratic spirit associated with the study of pragmatic topics, the early admission of women, and public consensus that highly-talented students within a state are worth investing in.

Plus it's essentially a hack for in-state students to save $30K. Doesn't DCUM like life hacks?

Cornell is a larger school with a different history from most of the other Ivies. It is in some ways "not like the others" but that is not a better or worse situation. There is no "worst Ivy".

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With Cornell consistently ranking above Brown and Dartmouth in the USNews rankings isn't it safe to say that Cornell is a middle ivy now? Also Cornell is extremely strong in STEM which will continue to grow as the primary basis for university reputation across the world. Also given a lot of the bad press around Columbia I would say the tiers now are:

Tier 1: HYP
Tier 2: Penn, Cornell
Tier 3: Columbia
Tier 4: Brown, Dartmouth

DD/friends anecdotally say the USN rankings in the last couple of years have changed things and they refer to Cornell as a T10, while Brown and Dartmouth are considered just OK T20s.

Isn't just three tiers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s put it this way: which is the only Ivy with a guaranteed transfer option?

Let’s put it this way: Brown has gone deeper to WL on a per capita basis than Cornell this year.

Numbers and source. Otherwise bs.

Np.

I’d ask your CCO. That’s what we heard from our private counselor too this year. And Brown WL still open, but Cornell is closed.

But it’s a weird year. Some “top” schools really screwed up yield this year according to our counselor:

Northwestern
Brown
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt? (But they always go deep into waitlist so maybe this is just a smidge deeper)

[Anonymous]

Yes, Cornell is considered the worst Ivy League school. It does not beat any other Ivy League in cross admits. It also loses or ties with most non-IVYs in the T25, as well as the public schools.
The only schools from which Cornell wins cross-admissions are UVA, Emory, WashU, and Carnegie Mellon.
If we are being honest, the Ivy label should be able to significantly boost Cornell ( and Dartmouth, the other worst Ivy) in cross admits.
It's safe to say Cornell likely would not be elite without the Ivy label.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: HYP
Tier 2: Wharton, Dyson
Tier 3: Columbia CC SEAS, Penn non-Wharton, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell non-Dyson non-contract.
Tier 4: Cornell contract colleges

Agree?

People who think that partial state funding contaminates a school and diminishes the academic experience are horrible snobs.

What your snobbery overlooks is the more egalitarian, modern, democratic spirit associated with the study of pragmatic topics, the early admission of women, and public consensus that highly-talented students within a state are worth investing in.

Plus it's essentially a hack for in-state students to save $30K. Doesn't DCUM like life hacks?

Cornell is a larger school with a different history from most of the other Ivies. It is in some ways "not like the others" but that is not a better or worse situation. There is no "worst Ivy".

Calling them snobs is too generous and feeds their egos. These people are just stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't know Brown and Dartmouth were Ivies. Or Penn.

This is more an insult to you than the schools.

PP you replied to. I'm not American, and the detailed rankings of US schools don't interest me enormously. Sometimes it's useful to remember that outside of the US, no one knows about any of these schools apart from Harvard, and occasionally Stanford, MIT, Yale or Princeton. And the latter only if you ask the educated, worldly people.

Perspective. It's important to not get too caught up in which schools your kid is applying to.

Ok so you’re not educated and worldly? What a self own.

DP. You would be amazed how many educated and worldly non-Americans can’t name a majority of the Ivy League. Just because you have a myopic obsession with this topic doesn’t mean other people do. Even educated and worldly ones.

[Anonymous]

Brown under enrolled by just over 100 this year, the waitlist has been used more than normal. Not typical, don’t know why.

All the ivies are great schools for the right kid, think this post is silly and agree there is no “worst”.

[Anonymous]

I’d still take the worst ivy over almost every non-ivy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, Cornell is considered the worst Ivy League school. It does not beat any other Ivy League in cross admits. It also loses or ties with most non-IVYs in the T25, as well as the public schools.
The only schools from which Cornell wins cross-admissions are UVA, Emory, WashU, and Carnegie Mellon.
If we are being honest, the Ivy label should be able to significantly boost Cornell ( and Dartmouth, the other worst Ivy) in cross admits.
It's safe to say Cornell likely would not be elite without the Ivy label.

Cornell does not perform well. The Students at ILR would not be there if they weren't instate. Also, Cornell's transfer option is less selective than a school like NYU.

Cornell vs Notre Dame
Notre Dame wins 70%-30%
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=Cornell+University

Cornell vs Vanderbilt
Vanderbilt wins 54-46%
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Vanderbilt+University&with=Cornell+University

Duke vs Cornell
Duke wins 83%-17%
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Cornell+University&with=Duke+University

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d still take the worst ivy over almost every non-ivy

Most students today wouldn't

[Anonymous]

Cornell vs USC
USC wins 63% to 37%
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Southern+California&with=Cornell+University

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d still take the worst ivy over almost every non-ivy

Most students today wouldn't

Cornell is ranked #11 by USNWR. Rankings aside, average students today are morons. The TikTok generation. Most students today belong in community college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d still take the worst ivy over almost every non-ivy

Most students today wouldn't

Cornell is ranked #11 by USNWR. Rankings aside, average students today are morons. The TikTok generation. Most students today belong in community college.

After the fake redesign to help large schools with a bunch of Pell grant students, it was ranked 19 before that. Do you think the current methodology will last when schools have removed DEI?