Is Cornell really still the "worst" ivy?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My DC is attending Cornell for engineering from NoVA public school. DC turned down Northwestern, GT, UIUC, UVa. DC loves it at Cornell. classes are graded on a curve so only about 20% or so get As. DC is part of project team and in ROTC. Cornell is not for everyone, it is very competitive and classes are challenging.

I think this is a good example of true peer schools


Agree with this and they are all great schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: HYP
Tier 2: Wharton, Dyson
Tier 3: Columbia CC SEAS, Penn non-Wharton, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell non-Dyson non-contract.
Tier 4: Cornell contract colleges

Agree?


People who think that partial state funding contaminates a school and diminishes the academic experience are horrible snobs.

What your snobbery overlooks is the more egalitarian, modern, democratic spirit associated with the study of pragmatic topics, the early admission of women, and public consensus that highly-talented students within a state are worth investing in.

Plus it's essentially a hack for in-state students to save $30K. Doesn't DCUM like life hacks?

Cornell is a larger school with a different history from most of the other Ivies. It is in some ways "not like the others" but that is not a better or worse situation. There is no "worst Ivy".


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Cornell=Vandy,Rice


And Northwestern.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I didn't know Brown and Dartmouth were Ivies. Or Penn.


That right there is what you call a socio-economic class indicator.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn't know Brown and Dartmouth were Ivies. Or Penn.


That right there is what you call a socio-economic class indicator.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: HYP
Tier 2: Wharton, Dyson
Tier 3: Columbia CC SEAS, Penn non-Wharton, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell non-Dyson non-contract.
Tier 4: Cornell contract colleges

Agree?


People who think that partial state funding contaminates a school and diminishes the academic experience are horrible snobs.

What your snobbery overlooks is the more egalitarian, modern, democratic spirit associated with the study of pragmatic topics, the early admission of women, and public consensus that highly-talented students within a state are worth investing in.

Plus it's essentially a hack for in-state students to save $30K. Doesn't DCUM like life hacks?

Cornell is a larger school with a different history from most of the other Ivies. It is in some ways "not like the others" but that is not a better or worse situation. There is no "worst Ivy".




No such thing as early admission of women at Cornell.
Is this gpt generated?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: HYP
Tier 2: Wharton, Dyson
Tier 3: Columbia CC SEAS, Penn non-Wharton, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell non-Dyson non-contract.
Tier 4: Cornell contract colleges

Agree?


People who think that partial state funding contaminates a school and diminishes the academic experience are horrible snobs.

What your snobbery overlooks is the more egalitarian, modern, democratic spirit associated with the study of pragmatic topics, the early admission of women, and public consensus that highly-talented students within a state are worth investing in.

Plus it's essentially a hack for in-state students to save $30K. Doesn't DCUM like life hacks?

Cornell is a larger school with a different history from most of the other Ivies. It is in some ways "not like the others" but that is not a better or worse situation. There is no "worst Ivy".




No such thing as early admission of women at Cornell.
Is this gpt generated?


I assume it’s referring to the fact that Cornell was founded as a co-ed institution, when most of its peers were male only until the 1970s or later.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Let’s put it this way: which is the only Ivy with a guaranteed transfer option?


Let’s put it this way: Brown has gone deeper to WL on a per capita basis than Cornell this year.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: HYP
Tier 2: Wharton, Dyson
Tier 3: Columbia CC SEAS, Penn non-Wharton, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell non-Dyson non-contract.
Tier 4: Cornell contract colleges

Agree?


People who think that partial state funding contaminates a school and diminishes the academic experience are horrible snobs.

What your snobbery overlooks is the more egalitarian, modern, democratic spirit associated with the study of pragmatic topics, the early admission of women, and public consensus that highly-talented students within a state are worth investing in.

Plus it's essentially a hack for in-state students to save $30K. Doesn't DCUM like life hacks?

Cornell is a larger school with a different history from most of the other Ivies. It is in some ways "not like the others" but that is not a better or worse situation. There is no "worst Ivy".




No such thing as early admission of women at Cornell.
Is this gpt generated?


PP. No. But here is an "AI Overview" to help you.

The Ivy League universities first admitted women at different times throughout the late 19th and 20th centuries. Cornell was the first, admitting women from its founding in 1865, although initially with limited status. University of Pennsylvania followed in 1870, with formal undergraduate admissions beginning in 1914. Yale and Princeton began admitting women in 1969. Brown followed in 1971, Dartmouth in 1972, and Harvard in 1977 (with the Radcliffe merger). Columbia was the last to admit women, officially doing so in 1983.

Here's a breakdown by university:

Cornell: 1865 (with limited status), 1870 (first female undergraduate admitted).

University of Pennsylvania: 1870 (formal graduate admissions), 1914 (formal undergraduate admissions).

Yale: 1969.

Princeton: 1969.

Brown: 1971.

Dartmouth: 1972.

Harvard: 1977 (with Radcliffe merger).

Columbia: 1983

And this explains why my grandmother and mother graduated from a "contract college". Because they were allowed, and preferred, to be at an Ivy that treated women as equal.

Much of the historical criticism of Cornell basically goes back to rich kids picking on kids who might need to actually work for a living. That's at the root of the contract college snobbery. Classism. I'm sure admitting women also looked kind of odd to such people. They liked their women to be safely compartmentalized at sister schools.
Anonymous
It is so sad how many people here are hating on Cornell. Unless there is some sort of statistical outlier situation where only people with super brilliant people post here, the vast majority of the posters here weren't smart enough to get into Cornell and their kids aren't either.

The vast majority of people who did go to schools that are "better" than Cornell would not be publicly hating on it.

And anyway, even if it is the 8th best Ivy, it is still better than 99% of the schools in America. Which is pretty impressive. Many Cornell grads go on to do super impressive things.

Threads like this really bring out the worst of DCUM. So sad.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: HYP
Tier 2: Wharton, Dyson
Tier 3: Columbia CC SEAS, Penn non-Wharton, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell non-Dyson non-contract.
Tier 4: Cornell contract colleges

Agree?


People who think that partial state funding contaminates a school and diminishes the academic experience are horrible snobs.

What your snobbery overlooks is the more egalitarian, modern, democratic spirit associated with the study of pragmatic topics, the early admission of women, and public consensus that highly-talented students within a state are worth investing in.

Plus it's essentially a hack for in-state students to save $30K. Doesn't DCUM like life hacks?

Cornell is a larger school with a different history from most of the other Ivies. It is in some ways "not like the others" but that is not a better or worse situation. There is no "worst Ivy".




No such thing as early admission of women at Cornell.
Is this gpt generated?


PP. No. But here is an "AI Overview" to help you.

The Ivy League universities first admitted women at different times throughout the late 19th and 20th centuries. Cornell was the first, admitting women from its founding in 1865, although initially with limited status. University of Pennsylvania followed in 1870, with formal undergraduate admissions beginning in 1914. Yale and Princeton began admitting women in 1969. Brown followed in 1971, Dartmouth in 1972, and Harvard in 1977 (with the Radcliffe merger). Columbia was the last to admit women, officially doing so in 1983.

Here's a breakdown by university:

Cornell: 1865 (with limited status), 1870 (first female undergraduate admitted).

University of Pennsylvania: 1870 (formal graduate admissions), 1914 (formal undergraduate admissions).

Yale: 1969.

Princeton: 1969.

Brown: 1971.

Dartmouth: 1972.

Harvard: 1977 (with Radcliffe merger).

Columbia: 1983

And this explains why my grandmother and mother graduated from a "contract college". Because they were allowed, and preferred, to be at an Ivy that treated women as equal.

Much of the historical criticism of Cornell basically goes back to rich kids picking on kids who might need to actually work for a living. That's at the root of the contract college snobbery. Classism. I'm sure admitting women also looked kind of odd to such people. They liked their women to be safely compartmentalized at sister schools.


I think it's super cool that Cornell is the first admitting women.

What do you mean by sister schools? Women's colleges? Those are great schools too, no need to look down on them.
Anonymous
Nothing wrong with Cornell: I would rather be the fattest thin person than the thinnest fat person.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Tier 1: HYP
Tier 2: Wharton, Dyson
Tier 3: Columbia CC SEAS, Penn non-Wharton, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell non-Dyson non-contract.
Tier 4: Cornell contract colleges

Agree?


People who think that partial state funding contaminates a school and diminishes the academic experience are horrible snobs.

What your snobbery overlooks is the more egalitarian, modern, democratic spirit associated with the study of pragmatic topics, the early admission of women, and public consensus that highly-talented students within a state are worth investing in.

Plus it's essentially a hack for in-state students to save $30K. Doesn't DCUM like life hacks?

Cornell is a larger school with a different history from most of the other Ivies. It is in some ways "not like the others" but that is not a better or worse situation. There is no "worst Ivy".




No such thing as early admission of women at Cornell.
Is this gpt generated?


PP. No. But here is an "AI Overview" to help you.

The Ivy League universities first admitted women at different times throughout the late 19th and 20th centuries. Cornell was the first, admitting women from its founding in 1865, although initially with limited status. University of Pennsylvania followed in 1870, with formal undergraduate admissions beginning in 1914. Yale and Princeton began admitting women in 1969. Brown followed in 1971, Dartmouth in 1972, and Harvard in 1977 (with the Radcliffe merger). Columbia was the last to admit women, officially doing so in 1983.

Here's a breakdown by university:

Cornell: 1865 (with limited status), 1870 (first female undergraduate admitted).

University of Pennsylvania: 1870 (formal graduate admissions), 1914 (formal undergraduate admissions).

Yale: 1969.

Princeton: 1969.

Brown: 1971.

Dartmouth: 1972.

Harvard: 1977 (with Radcliffe merger).

Columbia: 1983

And this explains why my grandmother and mother graduated from a "contract college". Because they were allowed, and preferred, to be at an Ivy that treated women as equal.

Much of the historical criticism of Cornell basically goes back to rich kids picking on kids who might need to actually work for a living. That's at the root of the contract college snobbery. Classism. I'm sure admitting women also looked kind of odd to such people. They liked their women to be safely compartmentalized at sister schools.


I think it's super cool that Cornell is the first admitting women.

What do you mean by sister schools? Women's colleges? Those are great schools too, no need to look down on them.


PP. I meant the schools explicitly paired with the men's institutions. For example: Harvard/Radcliffe (which merged in). There is nothing wrong with the sister schools except the behaviors that kept women out of the more prestigious mens' colleges. Paired colleges for women were tolerated/supported in part to keep women out of men's academic spaces.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radcliffe_College#:~:text=The%20%22Harvard%20Annex%2C%22%20a,such%20as%20Vassar%20and%20Wellesley.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn't know Brown and Dartmouth were Ivies. Or Penn.


This is more an insult to you than the schools.


PP you replied to. I'm not American, and the detailed rankings of US schools don't interest me enormously. Sometimes it's useful to remember that outside of the US, no one knows about any of these schools apart from Harvard, and occasionally Stanford, MIT, Yale or Princeton. And the latter only if you ask the educated, worldly people.

Perspective. It's important to not get too caught up in which schools your kid is applying to.



Ok so you’re not educated and worldly? What a self own.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It is so sad how many people here are hating on Cornell. Unless there is some sort of statistical outlier situation where only people with super brilliant people post here, the vast majority of the posters here weren't smart enough to get into Cornell and their kids aren't either.

The vast majority of people who did go to schools that are "better" than Cornell would not be publicly hating on it.

And anyway, even if it is the 8th best Ivy, it is still better than 99% of the schools in America. Which is pretty impressive. Many Cornell grads go on to do super impressive things.

Threads like this really bring out the worst of DCUM. So sad.


You lost me at “hating on
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