Do you think slavery or indentured servitude will come back to the us?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, it's what we deserve for vilifying service industry jobs.

You can't tell every senior in high school that the only path to success is college and then get mad at them upon college graduation for not wanting to work a low-paying job or feeling that they are above service-industry jobs.

The labor crisis we have in the US was caused by us only pushing higher education as the acceptable path after graduation, and telling those graduates that those who go to college are better than those who don't. When more than 75% of your graduating high schoolers go on to higher education, who do you think will fill the low-level jobs? It's not going to be Chad with a BS from UVA or Brayden with a BS from JMU. My nephew has turned down 2 $60k/yr entry level jobs because, and I quote, "It's insulting. I didn't bust my ass at Tech (VT) for 4 years to make the same as some construction guy." 'As some construction guy' speaks volumes. No respect for service-industry jobs. No respect for anyone working a job that doesn't require a college degree. Know what job deserves respect? The kind that provides a paycheck. Every job out there is essential for a functioning society. And we know that because of what happens when certain industries go on strike. Society falls apart.

I agree with this. I've met people who lost their white collar jobs and wouldn't take something lesser even though they needed the work. It's offensive and immature.

As to the first question, yes, I think it's possible.

If you take a job you lose your unemployment benefits and more importantly you lose a lot of time for job searching and interviewing. Taking a job at Mcdonalds or wherever could very well be penny wise and pound foolish. Since unemployment pays around the equivalent of $11 an hour you're now working for essentially $6.50 an hour while giving up all your prime interviewing hours.

Okay, but unemployment doesn't last forever and a person may not be able to get an equivalent job.

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I spent a few years in a developing country in South Asia for work. One thing that shocked me to the core was how utterly medieval the system of maids/servants/domestic help was: they were essentially slaves. There is a HUGE swathe of the culture who are so impoverished that they have no choice but to scrabble for the very, VERY low "wages" they can get so that they can continue to live on in their rubbish-strewn slums, with no peace or hope or even basic sanitation. And the minority of people who depend on these staff of slaves/servants happily keep this system going: they know that the wages they pay are only enough to keep their help at barely sustenance levels. The abuse and exploitation is hideous and I do not understand why this isn't widely known and discussed out of that country (it isn't just one country in that region, either).

Sure, I can see that happening in the US. Standards of living are going down, it is harder and harder for the middle class to maintain what their previous generations had, and young people are weighted with crushing debt and rising housing prices, combined with uncertain employment prospects, like never before.

It won't happen in a generation or two, but eventually? Sure.

I was shocked by what I experienced of this system in S Asia as well; when I brought it up in the context of a particular person who was waiting on us hand and foot, I was told "He loves it, he's grateful for the work. He's very happy to do this." The people benefitting from the system seem to have zero qualms about it.

What country or countries is this in?

India
Pakistan
Nepal
Basically, slavery is prevalent in all South Asian countries, Arab countries, and in many countries in Africa. Women and children from impoverished communities are physically and sexually abused in the homes that they are forced to work in. India is next level Hell on earth. I have never seen a total disregard for humanity than what I witnessed in India. It is no wonder why so many immigrants want to escape that Hellscape. Don't even get me started on child brides in many South Asian countries. I consider myself a mentally strong person, but India was the country that broke me. The inhumanity will kill your soul. People there just go about their daily lives and make excuses for slavery, rape, and abuse.

Yes; I agree with all of this.

- experienced world traveller.

+2, and also pretty well-traveled

It's horrific.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe.

I spent a few years in a developing country in South Asia for work. One thing that shocked me to the core was how utterly medieval the system of maids/servants/domestic help was: they were essentially slaves. There is a HUGE swathe of the culture who are so impoverished that they have no choice but to scrabble for the very, VERY low "wages" they can get so that they can continue to live on in their rubbish-strewn slums, with no peace or hope or even basic sanitation. And the minority of people who depend on these staff of slaves/servants happily keep this system going: they know that the wages they pay are only enough to keep their help at barely sustenance levels. The abuse and exploitation is hideous and I do not understand why this isn't widely known and discussed out of that country (it isn't just one country in that region, either).

Sure, I can see that happening in the US. Standards of living are going down, it is harder and harder for the middle class to maintain what their previous generations had, and young people are weighted with crushing debt and rising housing prices, combined with uncertain employment prospects, like never before.

It won't happen in a generation or two, but eventually? Sure.

I was shocked by what I experienced of this system in S Asia as well; when I brought it up in the context of a particular person who was waiting on us hand and foot, I was told "He loves it, he's grateful for the work. He's very happy to do this." The people benefitting from the system seem to have zero qualms about it.

What country or countries is this in?

India
Pakistan
Nepal
Basically, slavery is prevalent in all South Asian countries, Arab countries, and in many countries in Africa. Women and children from impoverished communities are physically and sexually abused in the homes that they are forced to work in. India is next level Hell on earth. I have never seen a total disregard for humanity than what I witnessed in India. It is no wonder why so many immigrants want to escape that Hellscape. Don't even get me started on child brides in many South Asian countries. I consider myself a mentally strong person, but India was the country that broke me. The inhumanity will kill your soul. People there just go about their daily lives and make excuses for slavery, rape, and abuse.

You do know that America is worse than all those other countries?

America is worse than most Americans know. But "much worse" than India? Absolutely not. And your comment leads me to believe you haven't traveled much outside of North America and Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:It still exists in the US. Prisoners are used on plantations in the south

To harvest what?)

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe.

I spent a few years in a developing country in South Asia for work. One thing that shocked me to the core was how utterly medieval the system of maids/servants/domestic help was: they were essentially slaves. There is a HUGE swathe of the culture who are so impoverished that they have no choice but to scrabble for the very, VERY low "wages" they can get so that they can continue to live on in their rubbish-strewn slums, with no peace or hope or even basic sanitation. And the minority of people who depend on these staff of slaves/servants happily keep this system going: they know that the wages they pay are only enough to keep their help at barely sustenance levels. The abuse and exploitation is hideous and I do not understand why this isn't widely known and discussed out of that country (it isn't just one country in that region, either).

Sure, I can see that happening in the US. Standards of living are going down, it is harder and harder for the middle class to maintain what their previous generations had, and young people are weighted with crushing debt and rising housing prices, combined with uncertain employment prospects, like never before.

It won't happen in a generation or two, but eventually? Sure.

I was shocked by what I experienced of this system in S Asia as well; when I brought it up in the context of a particular person who was waiting on us hand and foot, I was told "He loves it, he's grateful for the work. He's very happy to do this." The people benefitting from the system seem to have zero qualms about it.

What country or countries is this in?

India
Pakistan
Nepal
Basically, slavery is prevalent in all South Asian countries, Arab countries, and in many countries in Africa. Women and children from impoverished communities are physically and sexually abused in the homes that they are forced to work in. India is next level Hell on earth. I have never seen a total disregard for humanity than what I witnessed in India. It is no wonder why so many immigrants want to escape that Hellscape. Don't even get me started on child brides in many South Asian countries. I consider myself a mentally strong person, but India was the country that broke me. The inhumanity will kill your soul. People there just go about their daily lives and make excuses for slavery, rape, and abuse.

Yes; I agree with all of this.

- experienced world traveller.

+2, and also pretty well-traveled

It's horrific.

Make it one more.

Plus: Africa is a continent.

It’s home to over four dozen individual countries (54 currently). Slavery still exists in many of those countries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the short term what I think is more realistic is a permanent class of immigrant labor like they have in Dubai. Trump really admires that sort of economy and would like to duplicate it here. Deporting all the immigrants is not going to work for business and he’s going to replace it with a guest worker program where people have no rights and have to leave after a few years. It’s why he wants to get rid of birthright citizenship …. But he could also probably just do it by revoking work authorization if you get pregnant.

Sounds good to me, when we lived overseas as a middle class foreign service we could afford maids, cooks and drivers. Here in the US we can't it's sad

It’s cute you think that you would be the slave holder and not the slave. Bless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe.

I spent a few years in a developing country in South Asia for work. One thing that shocked me to the core was how utterly medieval the system of maids/servants/domestic help was: they were essentially slaves. There is a HUGE swathe of the culture who are so impoverished that they have no choice but to scrabble for the very, VERY low "wages" they can get so that they can continue to live on in their rubbish-strewn slums, with no peace or hope or even basic sanitation. And the minority of people who depend on these staff of slaves/servants happily keep this system going: they know that the wages they pay are only enough to keep their help at barely sustenance levels. The abuse and exploitation is hideous and I do not understand why this isn't widely known and discussed out of that country (it isn't just one country in that region, either).

Sure, I can see that happening in the US. Standards of living are going down, it is harder and harder for the middle class to maintain what their previous generations had, and young people are weighted with crushing debt and rising housing prices, combined with uncertain employment prospects, like never before.

It won't happen in a generation or two, but eventually? Sure.

I was shocked by what I experienced of this system in S Asia as well; when I brought it up in the context of a particular person who was waiting on us hand and foot, I was told "He loves it, he's grateful for the work. He's very happy to do this." The people benefitting from the system seem to have zero qualms about it.

What country or countries is this in?

India
Pakistan
Nepal
Basically, slavery is prevalent in all South Asian countries, Arab countries, and in many countries in Africa. Women and children from impoverished communities are physically and sexually abused in the homes that they are forced to work in. India is next level Hell on earth. I have never seen a total disregard for humanity than what I witnessed in India. It is no wonder why so many immigrants want to escape that Hellscape. Don't even get me started on child brides in many South Asian countries. I consider myself a mentally strong person, but India was the country that broke me. The inhumanity will kill your soul. People there just go about their daily lives and make excuses for slavery, rape, and abuse.

You do know that America is worse than all those other countries?

Troll alert

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, it's what we deserve for vilifying service industry jobs.

You can't tell every senior in high school that the only path to success is college and then get mad at them upon college graduation for not wanting to work a low-paying job or feeling that they are above service-industry jobs.

The labor crisis we have in the US was caused by us only pushing higher education as the acceptable path after graduation, and telling those graduates that those who go to college are better than those who don't. When more than 75% of your graduating high schoolers go on to higher education, who do you think will fill the low-level jobs? It's not going to be Chad with a BS from UVA or Brayden with a BS from JMU. My nephew has turned down 2 $60k/yr entry level jobs because, and I quote, "It's insulting. I didn't bust my ass at Tech (VT) for 4 years to make the same as some construction guy." 'As some construction guy' speaks volumes. No respect for service-industry jobs. No respect for anyone working a job that doesn't require a college degree. Know what job deserves respect? The kind that provides a paycheck. Every job out there is essential for a functioning society. And we know that because of what happens when certain industries go on strike. Society falls apart.

My 24 year old makes 90K and my 23 year old makes 80K. She has a friend in consulting in Manhattan making 150k and her old BF her age made 120K in consulting.

I was big 4 in NYC in 2005 and we were paying 60k to start in 2005. So paying 60K in 2025 is nothing. Things are way up in price in case you have not noticed.

They probably have better degrees than my nephew. His is in marketing management. He wants that $100k paycheck with zero experience under his belt. Three summer internships do not a qualified worker make, I'm sorry. $60k fresh out of college with that degree isn't bad when you look at the job landscape. Especially when you consider that so many companies are downsizing their marketing departments in favor of AI.

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Once all the low cash pay illegals are deported wages should go up.

[Anonymous]

Of course this is coming back.

So are maternity homes run by the Catholics like in the 1960's. They are already planning those DeVos and Youngkin have a company ready to go.

Laws are already changing for kids to work at any age in factories and warehouses in red states.
Project 2025 has some wonderful ideas for women and children.