Do you think slavery or indentured servitude will come back to the us?

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Anonymous wrote:If you think it doesn't exist now, have you missed the entire nail salon industry?

I recently moved to Manassas and went to a new nail salon. I asked the person who did my nails what days she works and the answer was “every day.”

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe.

I spent a few years in a developing country in South Asia for work. One thing that shocked me to the core was how utterly medieval the system of maids/servants/domestic help was: they were essentially slaves. There is a HUGE swathe of the culture who are so impoverished that they have no choice but to scrabble for the very, VERY low "wages" they can get so that they can continue to live on in their rubbish-strewn slums, with no peace or hope or even basic sanitation. And the minority of people who depend on these staff of slaves/servants happily keep this system going: they know that the wages they pay are only enough to keep their help at barely sustenance levels. The abuse and exploitation is hideous and I do not understand why this isn't widely known and discussed out of that country (it isn't just one country in that region, either).

Sure, I can see that happening in the US. Standards of living are going down, it is harder and harder for the middle class to maintain what their previous generations had, and young people are weighted with crushing debt and rising housing prices, combined with uncertain employment prospects, like never before.

It won't happen in a generation or two, but eventually? Sure.

I was shocked by what I experienced of this system in S Asia as well; when I brought it up in the context of a particular person who was waiting on us hand and foot, I was told "He loves it, he's grateful for the work. He's very happy to do this." The people benefitting from the system seem to have zero qualms about it.

What country or countries is this in?

PP here. My experience was in India.

NP.

No experience with India.

But slavery is extremely common and accepted in the Arab world. There are both cultural traditions and religious support for slavery in most of those countries.

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Thanks- I think people like to suppress the conversations. Not sure why. I guess they benefit from the system.

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Anonymous wrote:With the rise of AI and no clear path for most people to make a living in the face of inflation do you with slavery or indentured servitude will eventually come back? That people will actually need to be slaves so they can be housed and feed themselves?

It already has come back. Now it is called Nannies

Yes, getting 75k per year with limited education and skills is equal to slavery. The urban liberal is getting dumber as we watch the woke mind virus causes their brains to atrophy.

At that price is rather have a robot that doesn't take a vacation or get sick

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Anonymous wrote:In the short term what I think is more realistic is a permanent class of immigrant labor like they have in Dubai. Trump really admires that sort of economy and would like to duplicate it here. Deporting all the immigrants is not going to work for business and he’s going to replace it with a guest worker program where people have no rights and have to leave after a few years. It’s why he wants to get rid of birthright citizenship …. But he could also probably just do it by revoking work authorization if you get pregnant.

Sounds good to me, when we lived overseas as a middle class foreign service we could afford maids, cooks and drivers. Here in the US we can't it's sad

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Anonymous wrote:If you think it doesn't exist now, have you missed the entire nail salon industry?

Or you haven't done any reading about the "for profit" prison industry which is also horrendous.

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It never left the US.

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Anonymous wrote:If you think it doesn't exist now, have you missed the entire nail salon industry?

Or you haven't done any reading about the "for profit" prison industry which is also horrendous.

+1

I remember visiting Angola as a law student and someone telling me “Check all notions of human rights at the door.”

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I mean, it's what we deserve for vilifying service industry jobs.

You can't tell every senior in high school that the only path to success is college and then get mad at them upon college graduation for not wanting to work a low-paying job or feeling that they are above service-industry jobs.

The labor crisis we have in the US was caused by us only pushing higher education as the acceptable path after graduation, and telling those graduates that those who go to college are better than those who don't. When more than 75% of your graduating high schoolers go on to higher education, who do you think will fill the low-level jobs? It's not going to be Chad with a BS from UVA or Brayden with a BS from JMU. My nephew has turned down 2 $60k/yr entry level jobs because, and I quote, "It's insulting. I didn't bust my ass at Tech (VT) for 4 years to make the same as some construction guy." 'As some construction guy' speaks volumes. No respect for service-industry jobs. No respect for anyone working a job that doesn't require a college degree. Know what job deserves respect? The kind that provides a paycheck. Every job out there is essential for a functioning society. And we know that because of what happens when certain industries go on strike. Society falls apart.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, it's what we deserve for vilifying service industry jobs.

You can't tell every senior in high school that the only path to success is college and then get mad at them upon college graduation for not wanting to work a low-paying job or feeling that they are above service-industry jobs.

The labor crisis we have in the US was caused by us only pushing higher education as the acceptable path after graduation, and telling those graduates that those who go to college are better than those who don't. When more than 75% of your graduating high schoolers go on to higher education, who do you think will fill the low-level jobs? It's not going to be Chad with a BS from UVA or Brayden with a BS from JMU. My nephew has turned down 2 $60k/yr entry level jobs because, and I quote, "It's insulting. I didn't bust my ass at Tech (VT) for 4 years to make the same as some construction guy." 'As some construction guy' speaks volumes. No respect for service-industry jobs. No respect for anyone working a job that doesn't require a college degree. Know what job deserves respect? The kind that provides a paycheck. Every job out there is essential for a functioning society. And we know that because of what happens when certain industries go on strike. Society falls apart.

I agree with this. I've met people who lost their white collar jobs and wouldn't take something lesser even though they needed the work. It's offensive and immature.

As to the first question, yes, I think it's possible.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, it's what we deserve for vilifying service industry jobs.

You can't tell every senior in high school that the only path to success is college and then get mad at them upon college graduation for not wanting to work a low-paying job or feeling that they are above service-industry jobs.

The labor crisis we have in the US was caused by us only pushing higher education as the acceptable path after graduation, and telling those graduates that those who go to college are better than those who don't. When more than 75% of your graduating high schoolers go on to higher education, who do you think will fill the low-level jobs? It's not going to be Chad with a BS from UVA or Brayden with a BS from JMU. My nephew has turned down 2 $60k/yr entry level jobs because, and I quote, "It's insulting. I didn't bust my ass at Tech (VT) for 4 years to make the same as some construction guy." 'As some construction guy' speaks volumes. No respect for service-industry jobs. No respect for anyone working a job that doesn't require a college degree. Know what job deserves respect? The kind that provides a paycheck. Every job out there is essential for a functioning society. And we know that because of what happens when certain industries go on strike. Society falls apart.

I agree with this. I've met people who lost their white collar jobs and wouldn't take something lesser even though they needed the work. It's offensive and immature.

As to the first question, yes, I think it's possible.

If you take a job you lose your unemployment benefits and more importantly you lose a lot of time for job searching and interviewing. Taking a job at Mcdonalds or wherever could very well be penny wise and pound foolish. Since unemployment pays around the equivalent of $11 an hour you're now working for essentially $6.50 an hour while giving up all your prime interviewing hours.

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Chinese restaurant near me in Manhattan got busted they paid their workers $1 an hour.

Illegals from China they "paid" minimun wage but workers slept in cots above store as resaurant owned building and they ate for free at Chinese restuarant. they deducted the cost of that so net $1 dollar. They bring them over and they have to pay them back cost of getting them here. They were open 11am to 11 pm Monday to Friday and 11 am to six pm on weekends. They had to be early to prep and stay late to clean up. They worked 7 days a week 70 hour work weeks for $70 dollars. Sometimes they were paying back $10,000 bucks to get here. Can you imagine that at $70 bucks a week.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, it's what we deserve for vilifying service industry jobs.

You can't tell every senior in high school that the only path to success is college and then get mad at them upon college graduation for not wanting to work a low-paying job or feeling that they are above service-industry jobs.

The labor crisis we have in the US was caused by us only pushing higher education as the acceptable path after graduation, and telling those graduates that those who go to college are better than those who don't. When more than 75% of your graduating high schoolers go on to higher education, who do you think will fill the low-level jobs? It's not going to be Chad with a BS from UVA or Brayden with a BS from JMU. My nephew has turned down 2 $60k/yr entry level jobs because, and I quote, "It's insulting. I didn't bust my ass at Tech (VT) for 4 years to make the same as some construction guy." 'As some construction guy' speaks volumes. No respect for service-industry jobs. No respect for anyone working a job that doesn't require a college degree. Know what job deserves respect? The kind that provides a paycheck. Every job out there is essential for a functioning society. And we know that because of what happens when certain industries go on strike. Society falls apart.

My 24 year old makes 90K and my 23 year old makes 80K. She has a friend in consulting in Manhattan making 150k and her old BF her age made 120K in consulting.

I was big 4 in NYC in 2005 and we were paying 60k to start in 2005. So paying 60K in 2025 is nothing. Things are way up in price in case you have not noticed.

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Anonymous wrote:None of you remembers the story about the lady who was held here by her "employers?" They stole her passport, used her as a maid and nanny and didn't pay her. I'm sure that happens way more than you think.

I was going to post that. Also, anytime I travel to places like AZ + NV, I see signs warning of human trafficking... many of those trafficked end up as some sort of slaves.

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Anonymous wrote:With the rise of AI and no clear path for most people to make a living in the face of inflation do you with slavery or indentured servitude will eventually come back? That people will actually need to be slaves so they can be housed and feed themselves?

It already has come back. Now it is called Nannies

Yes, getting 75k per year with limited education and skills is equal to slavery. The urban liberal is getting dumber as we watch the woke mind virus causes their brains to atrophy.

At that price is rather have a robot that doesn't take a vacation or get sick

A.I. will get us there. As robotics improves we might all be able to send a robot to work for us. Similar to that Bruce Willis movie about robot copies.