People really underestimate how hard it is to get into state flagships like UW Madison, Ohio State, or UGA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OOS have a tougher time getting into these schools because they have caps on how many they can take.

I am shocked this isn't the primary discussion of this thread. For students from these states, these schools all remain solid safeties for good students and reasonable reaches for middling students. Which, frankly, is what a state flagship is for.

The reason people freak out about this is that it used to be the opposite -- it used to be almost easier to get into state flagships as an OOS student, especially if a well-resourced kid from the DMV with good grades/scores (not stellar, just solid) because these schools welcomed people willing to pay OOS rates. It helped subsidize programs. But as the overall number of college apps has exploded, schools have had to cap OOS admissions, which means the experience is the opposite -- instead of being easier to get into a state flagship from OOS because you pay full freight, it's now harder because you are competing against so many other OOS students and there are only so many spots.

It's frustrating to families from states like VA and MD where their own state flagships have become very competitive due to that same boost in applications, and are therefore hoping to grab that old OOS edge in another state. But it doesn't exist anymore. There are just too many kids with great stats applying to college, and applying more widely, and to many UMC and wealthy families willing to pay extra and to fund travel to far flung flagships in the hopes of getting a school with some kind of name brand.

This is wildly overstated. It’s true for a handful of flagships, maybe 10? But not for most. Look at the college lists for DC schools, where all the kids are OOS everywhere, you will see that it’s extremely possible for students to be admitted to OOS schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well my “middling” student is going to one of these schools with merit and I can assure you that this child is much more likely to have a successful path than my other child who is at a school DCUM approves of. The insecurity on this board is pathetic. Glad at least one of my kids won’t be surrounded by a bunch of strivers with parents like you.

+100 The troll on this thread is pathetic and everyone can see it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No. It’s not. These are safeties for middling students. UM UVA are safeties for top students.

Middling students don’t take 11 AP classes.

Yes, they do. You sound like the kind of person who says a 1300 is impressive because it's "96th percentile" or whatever it is.

If you have a neurotypical kid in the DC area, I'd say there's nothing special about getting over 1400 or 1500.

I would never do well on the test because I can't pay attention to it. Too boring. lol

You can "say" that but it isn't true. People in this area do not get as high scores as you think.

[Anonymous]

It is very hard to get into UGA from the DMV. It is competitive to get in to Wisconsin from the DMV. It is not hard to get into Ohio State from the DMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CS and Engineering can be like this.

Georgia Tech
OOS Comp Sci 8.5% acceptance rate
OOS Engineering 9.0% acceptance rate
OOS Mechanical Engineering 5.6% acceptance rate
Source: GT LITE

I'd guess Michigan has very similar numbers but doesn't share them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. It’s not. These are safeties for middling students. UM UVA are safeties for top students.

Stop it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOS have a tougher time getting into these schools because they have caps on how many they can take.

I am shocked this isn't the primary discussion of this thread. For students from these states, these schools all remain solid safeties for good students and reasonable reaches for middling students. Which, frankly, is what a state flagship is for.

The reason people freak out about this is that it used to be the opposite -- it used to be almost easier to get into state flagships as an OOS student, especially if a well-resourced kid from the DMV with good grades/scores (not stellar, just solid) because these schools welcomed people willing to pay OOS rates. It helped subsidize programs. But as the overall number of college apps has exploded, schools have had to cap OOS admissions, which means the experience is the opposite -- instead of being easier to get into a state flagship from OOS because you pay full freight, it's now harder because you are competing against so many other OOS students and there are only so many spots.

It's frustrating to families from states like VA and MD where their own state flagships have become very competitive due to that same boost in applications, and are therefore hoping to grab that old OOS edge in another state. But it doesn't exist anymore. There are just too many kids with great stats applying to college, and applying more widely, and to many UMC and wealthy families willing to pay extra and to fund travel to far flung flagships in the hopes of getting a school with some kind of name brand.

This is wildly overstated. It’s true for a handful of flagships, maybe 10? But not for most. Look at the college lists for DC schools, where all the kids are OOS everywhere, you will see that it’s extremely possible for students to be admitted to OOS schools.

Bullshit. It’s more than 10. You’re either a boomer or haven’t done through the process with your kids yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOS have a tougher time getting into these schools because they have caps on how many they can take.

I am shocked this isn't the primary discussion of this thread. For students from these states, these schools all remain solid safeties for good students and reasonable reaches for middling students. Which, frankly, is what a state flagship is for.

The reason people freak out about this is that it used to be the opposite -- it used to be almost easier to get into state flagships as an OOS student, especially if a well-resourced kid from the DMV with good grades/scores (not stellar, just solid) because these schools welcomed people willing to pay OOS rates. It helped subsidize programs. But as the overall number of college apps has exploded, schools have had to cap OOS admissions, which means the experience is the opposite -- instead of being easier to get into a state flagship from OOS because you pay full freight, it's now harder because you are competing against so many other OOS students and there are only so many spots.

It's frustrating to families from states like VA and MD where their own state flagships have become very competitive due to that same boost in applications, and are therefore hoping to grab that old OOS edge in another state. But it doesn't exist anymore. There are just too many kids with great stats applying to college, and applying more widely, and to many UMC and wealthy families willing to pay extra and to fund travel to far flung flagships in the hopes of getting a school with some kind of name brand.

This is wildly overstated. It’s true for a handful of flagships, maybe 10? But not for most. Look at the college lists for DC schools, where all the kids are OOS everywhere, you will see that it’s extremely possible for students to be admitted to OOS schools.

Bullshit. It’s more than 10. You’re either a boomer or haven’t done through the process with your kids yet.

I have a junior, I’m watching her friends and classmates go to OOS school after OOS school after OOS school!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOS have a tougher time getting into these schools because they have caps on how many they can take.

I am shocked this isn't the primary discussion of this thread. For students from these states, these schools all remain solid safeties for good students and reasonable reaches for middling students. Which, frankly, is what a state flagship is for.

The reason people freak out about this is that it used to be the opposite -- it used to be almost easier to get into state flagships as an OOS student, especially if a well-resourced kid from the DMV with good grades/scores (not stellar, just solid) because these schools welcomed people willing to pay OOS rates. It helped subsidize programs. But as the overall number of college apps has exploded, schools have had to cap OOS admissions, which means the experience is the opposite -- instead of being easier to get into a state flagship from OOS because you pay full freight, it's now harder because you are competing against so many other OOS students and there are only so many spots.

It's frustrating to families from states like VA and MD where their own state flagships have become very competitive due to that same boost in applications, and are therefore hoping to grab that old OOS edge in another state. But it doesn't exist anymore. There are just too many kids with great stats applying to college, and applying more widely, and to many UMC and wealthy families willing to pay extra and to fund travel to far flung flagships in the hopes of getting a school with some kind of name brand.

This is wildly overstated. It’s true for a handful of flagships, maybe 10? But not for most. Look at the college lists for DC schools, where all the kids are OOS everywhere, you will see that it’s extremely possible for students to be admitted to OOS schools.

Bullshit. It’s more than 10. You’re either a boomer or haven’t done through the process with your kids yet.

I have a junior, I’m watching her friends and classmates go to OOS school after OOS school after OOS school!

You’re the type of arrogant parent that will be on here crying yield protection when your kid doesn’t get in LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOS have a tougher time getting into these schools because they have caps on how many they can take.

I am shocked this isn't the primary discussion of this thread. For students from these states, these schools all remain solid safeties for good students and reasonable reaches for middling students. Which, frankly, is what a state flagship is for.

The reason people freak out about this is that it used to be the opposite -- it used to be almost easier to get into state flagships as an OOS student, especially if a well-resourced kid from the DMV with good grades/scores (not stellar, just solid) because these schools welcomed people willing to pay OOS rates. It helped subsidize programs. But as the overall number of college apps has exploded, schools have had to cap OOS admissions, which means the experience is the opposite -- instead of being easier to get into a state flagship from OOS because you pay full freight, it's now harder because you are competing against so many other OOS students and there are only so many spots.

It's frustrating to families from states like VA and MD where their own state flagships have become very competitive due to that same boost in applications, and are therefore hoping to grab that old OOS edge in another state. But it doesn't exist anymore. There are just too many kids with great stats applying to college, and applying more widely, and to many UMC and wealthy families willing to pay extra and to fund travel to far flung flagships in the hopes of getting a school with some kind of name brand.

This is wildly overstated. It’s true for a handful of flagships, maybe 10? But not for most. Look at the college lists for DC schools, where all the kids are OOS everywhere, you will see that it’s extremely possible for students to be admitted to OOS schools.

Bullshit. It’s more than 10. You’re either a boomer or haven’t done through the process with your kids yet.

I have a junior, I’m watching her friends and classmates go to OOS school after OOS school after OOS school!

You’re the type of arrogant parent that will be on here crying yield protection when your kid doesn’t get in LOL

Or maybe I’m the kind of parent who can see that there are many great state schools, so when my kid’s friend (or next year, my kid!) goes to MSU or OSU or LSU or IU or Pitt or Penn State or Oregon or UCSC, I don’t go around saying they were “shut out” and complaining that it’s “impossible” to get into college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OOS have a tougher time getting into these schools because they have caps on how many they can take.

I am shocked this isn't the primary discussion of this thread. For students from these states, these schools all remain solid safeties for good students and reasonable reaches for middling students. Which, frankly, is what a state flagship is for.

The reason people freak out about this is that it used to be the opposite -- it used to be almost easier to get into state flagships as an OOS student, especially if a well-resourced kid from the DMV with good grades/scores (not stellar, just solid) because these schools welcomed people willing to pay OOS rates. It helped subsidize programs. But as the overall number of college apps has exploded, schools have had to cap OOS admissions, which means the experience is the opposite -- instead of being easier to get into a state flagship from OOS because you pay full freight, it's now harder because you are competing against so many other OOS students and there are only so many spots.

It's frustrating to families from states like VA and MD where their own state flagships have become very competitive due to that same boost in applications, and are therefore hoping to grab that old OOS edge in another state. But it doesn't exist anymore. There are just too many kids with great stats applying to college, and applying more widely, and to many UMC and wealthy families willing to pay extra and to fund travel to far flung flagships in the hopes of getting a school with some kind of name brand.

This is wildly overstated. It’s true for a handful of flagships, maybe 10? But not for most. Look at the college lists for DC schools, where all the kids are OOS everywhere, you will see that it’s extremely possible for students to be admitted to OOS schools.

Bullshit. It’s more than 10. You’re either a boomer or haven’t done through the process with your kids yet.

I have a junior, I’m watching her friends and classmates go to OOS school after OOS school after OOS school!

You’re the type of arrogant parent that will be on here crying yield protection when your kid doesn’t get in LOL

Or maybe I’m the kind of parent who can see that there are many great state schools, so when my kid’s friend (or next year, my kid!) goes to MSU or OSU or LSU or IU or Pitt or Penn State or Oregon or UCSC, I don’t go around saying they were “shut out” and complaining that it’s “impossible” to get into college.

You still don’t get it. Most of the schools you listed are more competitive OOS than you think, especially for some majors like business. LSU, Alabama, Ole Miss, Kansas, Iowa State, Oklahoma State would be more in line with what you’re thinking but I’m done trying to explain this to you. You’ve been warned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to get into UGA from the DMV. It is competitive to get in to Wisconsin from the DMV. It is not hard to get into Ohio State from the DMV.

I can confirm the part about Ohio State. I know a mediocre student from the DMV who got in no problem at Ohio.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is very hard to get into UGA from the DMV. It is competitive to get in to Wisconsin from the DMV. It is not hard to get into Ohio State from the DMV.

I can confirm the part about Ohio State. I know a mediocre student from the DMV who got in no problem at Ohio.

Define “mediocre.” Maybe a B or two? Are you privy to this child’s grades?

And I posted above: that child is now learning at a top 50 school. Seems not too shabby! That must frustrate the posters who exist only for privilege and elitism.

[Anonymous]

Everything is hard nowadays so pointless discussion. Move on to something of value

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everything is hard nowadays so pointless discussion. Move on to something of value

Nope, try again. Outside the T150-200, most colleges are basically open admissions.