TJ entrance test answers were never for sale

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Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.

Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.

I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.

Trump won, that's what matters and people like you handed him the voters he needed.

The change to the admissions process was primarily about race. Every hearing, every board meeting, every report are primarily focused on racial diversity.

Again, you should sue.. you will get what you want and bonus you will rich!

The courts have already settled it. It's not discrimination.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
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“we are satisfied that the challenged admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students”

And the SCOTUS left the ruling in place:
https://virginiamercury.com/2024/02/20/supreme-court-wont-hear-thomas-jefferson-admissions-case/

It would be hard to conclude otherwise since Asian enrollment is at an all time high and Asians were the biggest beneficiary of the chagnes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.

Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.

I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.

Trump won, that's what matters and people like you handed him the voters he needed.

The change to the admissions process was primarily about race. Every hearing, every board meeting, every report are primarily focused on racial diversity.

Again, you should sue.. you will get what you want and bonus you will rich!

Who got rich when Harvard lost SFFA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.

Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.

I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.

Trump won 49.8% of the vote. Calm down. You can stop foaming at the mouth.

Which isn't a majority.

Maybe if you stop spreading RWNJ propaganda, you'll have more time to work on your math skills.

rewrite:
Nice try, but most here are moderate democrats who got tired of woke propaganda, attack on merit, DEI nonsense, and so voted for Trump.

If it walks like a duck...and votes like a duck...

The majority of voters didn't vote for your orange shtstain.

75,019,230 votes (48.3%) Harris
77,303,568 votes (49.8%) Trump

Proving my point, thanks.

Sorry you don’t understand math.

Since a majority would be >50%, it's true.

Nope. MAGAs are dumb AF.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.

Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.

I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.

Trump won, that's what matters and people like you handed him the voters he needed.

The change to the admissions process was primarily about race. Every hearing, every board meeting, every report are primarily focused on racial diversity.

Again, you should sue.. you will get what you want and bonus you will rich!

Who got rich when Harvard lost SFFA?

That was a very different case. Harvard was not race blind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.

Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.

I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.

Trump won, that's what matters and people like you handed him the voters he needed.

The change to the admissions process was primarily about race. Every hearing, every board meeting, every report are primarily focused on racial diversity.

Again, you should sue.. you will get what you want and bonus you will rich!

LOL ya they're delusional. Even SCOTUS laughed it out of court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a troll here on DCUM who loves to perpetuate this lie. She repeats it to support the false narrative that TJ only admitted students from exceptionally high SES families, who could afford to (as she put it) “buy the test answers.”

Her claim is not true. It was never true.

When challenged on this falsehood, she often asserts test-preparation courses equal “buying test answers.” But, by her twisted logic, anyone’s child who does an SAT prep session or even buys a test-prep book from Amazon, has somehow “purchased the answers to the upcoming SAT.”

Call this troll out when you encounter her lies here. I’ve tried reporting her, but she’s apparently still around. I’m uncertain why she harbors such hatred towards TJ or why she insists on repeatedly lying about TJ admissions.

You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to understand the terms “buying test answer” that often mentioned here. I even believe that you understand what it actually means and you just play dumb.
It is a test prep that has TJ test bank (means test with similar pattern on questions). You pay them.. they will teach and train and repeat and train and repeat until your kid very familiar with that type of questions.
And no, it is not the same with $20 amazon book.
(I can’t believe that I have to answer this).

Is it same as spending thousands on learning basketball starting from elementary grades just to get into public school HS team?

Most of the families doing that are hoping to end up at a private school with a strong basketball program to play in college on scholarship. That said, the public schools don't promote any sport. PE is the only physical class that kids have and the school is not requiring that kids take PE every day. Nor do the schools offer Gen Ed PE, Advanced PE, and the like. Sports are an extra curricular.

STEM classes, math and science, are required classes. It is not unreasonable to make TJ available to all strong STEM students across the county. The 1.5% distribution is meant to open TJ to all the MS and I don't think it is unreasonable. Some of these changes were in response to a threatened lawsuit by NAACP over the lack of representation of Black students at TJ. While the percentage of Asian students dropped with the 1.5% redistribution, Asian students are still the majority by far.

The dropping of the Quant test can easily be tied to the test banks, which plenty of TJ students have discussed. They did provide a leg up to students whose parents were willing to pay to attend the classes at the schools with the test banks. And those classes were not inexpensive. They were more expensive then similar AoPS or RSM classes that are offered. People knew what they were paying for and were willing to do so to improve the chances that their kid was accepted at TJ.

Do I think that the TJ requirements today could be adjusted? Yes. I think that math grades should include an additional weight based on the highest level math at a given school. Students at schools that offer Algebra 2 should have a weight applied to their scores, maybe a point, and students who took Geometry at that school .5 points. Not every school is able to offer Algebra 2, so students at those schools would see a 1 weighted to the geometry kids. Heck, .5 points if you want to use a universal weight. That .5 would help the geometry students move up in the 1.5% ranking at their school be be more evenly weighed against the rest of the county. The GPA to apply should be a 3.75 and students should have taken all honors/AAP classes. You could include the SOL scores for the 7th grade classes.

The switch to quant q from the previous transparent test was an effort to increase racial diversity and it backfired. So they hiave up on testing altogether.

I don't care what objective measure you use but the tails have to be thin enough to select the top 1%.

If you use SOLs, then people will prep the SOLs. Is there even a time limit on the SOLs?

The best alternative is the SHSAT that they use for Stuyvesant'.

The SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce the unfair advantage of prepping.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
“ “Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin asked when presented with the new plan.

Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”

From the same article:

“I think, given the high degree of rigor. . . it’s appropriate to have a standardized test as a part of the application process,” says school-board member Megan McLaughlin, a former admissions officer at Georgetown

Megan McLaughlin criticized the changes to the admissions process. She wanted some magical testing process that was immune to prepping. And quant Q told her that secret testing formats could achieve this. Because that's all test prep is, teaching the format of the year and how to strategically handle multiple choice questions.

She is thinking of it incorrectly. You didn't nullify the benefit of prepping by making the test secret and creating hurdles to print, that only increases the benefits of wealth. You nullify the benefits of prepping but making the test transparent and making prepping eat and accessible.

What Brabrand didn't like was the racial disparities in test results.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wealthy parents of all races were gaming the system. It wasn't about race.

It was about expanding access to TJ beyond a handful of wealthy feeder schools.

It's was primarily about race. The FCPS board was concerned with the racial representation at TJ. That's what we heard during the headings, that's what we heard during the board meetings, that is what they commissioned reports to determine. Race was the primary driver.

It might about the race, because over decade long ago, while TJ prep test was not a thing, asian representation was never at over 70%, it might go hand in hand?

three increase in Asians at TJ want Aiden, it was gradual over time as the Asian population increased. It accelerated a bit when the area started importing more h1b tech people but it wasn't a surge in prepping. Prepping was always here.

+1

From 2006...

Interview with former TJ principal in 2006:
https://www.washingtonian.com/2006/09/01/thomas-jefferson-high-school-interview-with-principal-elizabeth-lodal/
"Unfortunately, T.J. has helped spawn a huge test-preparation industry in this region. Look in the newspapers—you’ll find test prep for both the SATs and for T.J.

Some parents start this T.J. prep early. Some local churches have Sunday-school classes focused on getting into T.J. that start in kindergarten and go through elementary school. Wealthy parents can spend $600 a pop to learn how to get in here.

Isn’t there something wrong with that?
Yes.

Why don’t you constantly change the exam so no one can game it?
The admissions office tries to do that."

The way to nullify the benefits of test prep that higher income people may have isn't to make it harder. The way to nullify the benefits is to make test prep easier and more accessible. If everyone can easily access test prep, money is not a distinguishing factor, assuming it ever was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.

Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.

I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.

Trump won 49.8% of the vote. Calm down. You can stop foaming at the mouth.

Which isn't a majority.

Maybe if you stop spreading RWNJ propaganda, you'll have more time to work on your math skills.

Your argument is nitpicking and stupid. It's like when people on the right say that America isn't a democracy, it's a constitutional Republic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.

Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.

I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.

Trump won, that's what matters and people like you handed him the voters he needed.

The change to the admissions process was primarily about race. Every hearing, every board meeting, every report are primarily focused on racial diversity.

Again, you should sue.. you will get what you want and bonus you will rich!

The courts have already settled it. It's not discrimination.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
Pg 7
“we are satisfied that the challenged admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students”

And the SCOTUS left the ruling in place:
https://virginiamercury.com/2024/02/20/supreme-court-wont-hear-thomas-jefferson-admissions-case/

It would be hard to conclude otherwise since Asian enrollment is at an all time high and Asians were the biggest beneficiary of the chagnes.

Enrollment was higher before the change.

Asians are the only group that shrank.
The white population grew the most.

[Anonymous]

I like SOLs. Every kid gets “test prep” every day at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.

Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.

I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.

Trump won, that's what matters and people like you handed him the voters he needed.

The change to the admissions process was primarily about race. Every hearing, every board meeting, every report are primarily focused on racial diversity.

Again, you should sue.. you will get what you want and bonus you will rich!

Who got rich when Harvard lost SFFA?

That was a very different case. Harvard was not race blind.

Right, they were deliberately discriminating on the basis of race. Who got rich when Harvard lost that lawsuit to SFFA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.

Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.

I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.

Trump won, that's what matters and people like you handed him the voters he needed.

The change to the admissions process was primarily about race. Every hearing, every board meeting, every report are primarily focused on racial diversity.

Again, you should sue.. you will get what you want and bonus you will rich!

Who got rich when Harvard lost SFFA?

That was a very different case. Harvard was not race blind.

Right, they were deliberately discriminating on the basis of race. Who got rich when Harvard lost that lawsuit to SFFA?

No one cares because it's irrelevant to TJ.

Re: TJ, the courts have already settled it. It's not discrimination.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
Pg 7
“we are satisfied that the challenged admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students”

And the (corrupt) SCOTUS left the ruling in place:
https://virginiamercury.com/2024/02/20/supreme-court-wont-hear-thomas-jefferson-admissions-case/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have Trump because Americans are dumb AF and believed the RWNJ propaganda.

Like all of the BS around education.

Either the majority of voters are RWNJ or you lost a lot of moderate voters with your left wing orthodoxy. Pretending that the change in the TJ test wasn't about race is so blatantly dishonest that you will lose some voters forever.

I get that math is hard for MAGA but Trump didn’t win a majority.

The admissions process was changed for a variety of reasons.

Trump won, that's what matters and people like you handed him the voters he needed.

The change to the admissions process was primarily about race. Every hearing, every board meeting, every report are primarily focused on racial diversity.

Again, you should sue.. you will get what you want and bonus you will rich!

The courts have already settled it. It's not discrimination.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
Pg 7
“we are satisfied that the challenged admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students”

And the SCOTUS left the ruling in place:
https://virginiamercury.com/2024/02/20/supreme-court-wont-hear-thomas-jefferson-admissions-case/

It would be hard to conclude otherwise since Asian enrollment is at an all time high and Asians were the biggest beneficiary of the chagnes.

Enrollment was higher before the change.

Asians are the only group that shrank.
The white population grew the most.

It was very slightly higher for two years.

There are more Asian students enrolled in TJ in 2024-25 than in all years in the school's history aside from two years (2019, 2020).

Asian - 2% fewer enrolled in 2024 vs. 2020 (there are 2% MORE Asian students enrolled today than 2018)
White - 32% more
Multi/other - 40% more
Hispanic - 182% more
Black - 269% more

More importantly, all middle schools are now represented and the % of kids from economically-disadvantaged families has gone from <1% to 16% with the most recent admitted class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like SOLs. Every kid gets “test prep” every day at school.

I think SOLs are not great because you are comparing apples to oranges and there world be more perfect scores than stats at TJ, but at least they are objective and merit based. So if that was actually on offer, I'd take it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like SOLs. Every kid gets “test prep” every day at school.

I think SOLs are not great because you are comparing apples to oranges and there world be more perfect scores than stats at TJ, but at least they are objective and merit based. So if that was actually on offer, I'd take it.

I think it's the least bad option.