TJ entrance test answers were never for sale

[Anonymous]

URMs have never and will never perform at the same academic level as non-URMs. The optics of this reality are too much for some, so rather than admit this, some people prefer to call non-URMs cheaters so the predictable poor performance of the new admission policy can be explained away. It’s unfortunate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a troll here on DCUM who loves to perpetuate this lie. She repeats it to support the false narrative that TJ only admitted students from exceptionally high SES families, who could afford to (as she put it) “buy the test answers.”

Her claim is not true. It was never true.

When challenged on this falsehood, she often asserts test-preparation courses equal “buying test answers.” But, by her twisted logic, anyone’s child who does an SAT prep session or even buys a test-prep book from Amazon, has somehow “purchased the answers to the upcoming SAT.”

Call this troll out when you encounter her lies here. I’ve tried reporting her, but she’s apparently still around. I’m uncertain why she harbors such hatred towards TJ or why she insists on repeatedly lying about TJ admissions.

troll has been flooding this forum for well over a decade with limited phrases:

test buying, wealthy feeders, test bank, and their favorite obsession..... Curie!

I'm convinced it is a sock puppet for curie. They're so good that FCPS has to keep changing their admissions policy to keep out their students.

FCPS isn't just trying to keep it curie students, FCPS is trying to keep out a particular demographic to make room for other groups. It's well intentioned racism in their minds. The GOOD kind of racism

Everytime poster like this get cornered, their best argument always just one thing, racism. I wish they have better arguments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, what is your proof that the cheating or test/question banks didn't happen? How was Curie so successful in preparing its students for the test? If Curie wasn't the reason the students were so successful, why were so many parents signing up for Curie?

DP. You want proof that something didn't happen?

What proof do you have that you didn't Fck livestock during the pandemic?

For every kid that is taking curie in 8th grade advanced curriculum, there are 5 or 6 that have quit because it's too intense. Their program starts in early elementary school Study makes a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a troll here on DCUM who loves to perpetuate this lie. She repeats it to support the false narrative that TJ only admitted students from exceptionally high SES families, who could afford to (as she put it) “buy the test answers.”

Her claim is not true. It was never true.

When challenged on this falsehood, she often asserts test-preparation courses equal “buying test answers.” But, by her twisted logic, anyone’s child who does an SAT prep session or even buys a test-prep book from Amazon, has somehow “purchased the answers to the upcoming SAT.”

Call this troll out when you encounter her lies here. I’ve tried reporting her, but she’s apparently still around. I’m uncertain why she harbors such hatred towards TJ or why she insists on repeatedly lying about TJ admissions.

troll has been flooding this forum for well over a decade with limited phrases:

test buying, wealthy feeders, test bank, and their favorite obsession..... Curie!

I'm convinced it is a sock puppet for curie. They're so good that FCPS has to keep changing their admissions policy to keep out their students.

FCPS isn't just trying to keep it curie students, FCPS is trying to keep out a particular demographic to make room for other groups. It's well intentioned racism in their minds. The GOOD kind of racism

False. They weren’t trying to reduce the number of Asian students, they were trying to increase representation from across the county. That’s why they ADDED seats. It wasn’t zero sum.

Today we have kids from all middle schools, not just the affluent feeders.

Could the admissions process be improved? Sure. But it’s much, much better than it was. Having <1% of the class coming from economically-disadvantaged families (in a county with 35%+ ED) was appalling.

It wasn't <1% but it was low. Single digits for sure.

If racial, economic and geographic diversity is the purpose of a place like TJ then the new process is a success. If academic excellence is you objective then the new admissions process is a resounding failure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Assuming these behaviors are affecting "fairness," why didn't the TJ test administrators just change the test questions every year? You can assess readiness for the rigor of TJ without repeating the questions each year.

Or you can be transparent and lower the barriers to study by using something like the PSAT that has a ton of cheap available prep material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:URMs have never and will never perform at the same academic level as non-URMs. The optics of this reality are too much for some, so rather than admit this, some people prefer to call non-URMs cheaters so the predictable poor performance of the new admission policy can be explained away. It’s unfortunate.

I didn't think they will never code the achievement gap but FCPS certainly thinks never. They don't think URM can ever close the achievement gap if we use objective measures of academic merit. So they get rid of those objective measures of academic merit and call it a tie

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a troll here on DCUM who loves to perpetuate this lie. She repeats it to support the false narrative that TJ only admitted students from exceptionally high SES families, who could afford to (as she put it) “buy the test answers.”

Her claim is not true. It was never true.

When challenged on this falsehood, she often asserts test-preparation courses equal “buying test answers.” But, by her twisted logic, anyone’s child who does an SAT prep session or even buys a test-prep book from Amazon, has somehow “purchased the answers to the upcoming SAT.”

Call this troll out when you encounter her lies here. I’ve tried reporting her, but she’s apparently still around. I’m uncertain why she harbors such hatred towards TJ or why she insists on repeatedly lying about TJ admissions.

troll has been flooding this forum for well over a decade with limited phrases:

test buying, wealthy feeders, test bank, and their favorite obsession..... Curie!

I'm convinced it is a sock puppet for curie. They're so good that FCPS has to keep changing their admissions policy to keep out their students.

FCPS isn't just trying to keep it curie students, FCPS is trying to keep out a particular demographic to make room for other groups. It's well intentioned racism in their minds. The GOOD kind of racism

Everytime poster like this get cornered, their best argument always just one thing, racism. I wish they have better arguments.

How was I cornered. How is redesigning an admissions process specifically to achieve racially motivated results NOT racism?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a troll here on DCUM who loves to perpetuate this lie. She repeats it to support the false narrative that TJ only admitted students from exceptionally high SES families, who could afford to (as she put it) “buy the test answers.”

Her claim is not true. It was never true.

When challenged on this falsehood, she often asserts test-preparation courses equal “buying test answers.” But, by her twisted logic, anyone’s child who does an SAT prep session or even buys a test-prep book from Amazon, has somehow “purchased the answers to the upcoming SAT.”

Call this troll out when you encounter her lies here. I’ve tried reporting her, but she’s apparently still around. I’m uncertain why she harbors such hatred towards TJ or why she insists on repeatedly lying about TJ admissions.

troll has been flooding this forum for well over a decade with limited phrases:

test buying, wealthy feeders, test bank, and their favorite obsession..... Curie!

I'm convinced it is a sock puppet for curie. They're so good that FCPS has to keep changing their admissions policy to keep out their students.

FCPS isn't just trying to keep it curie students, FCPS is trying to keep out a particular demographic to make room for other groups. It's well intentioned racism in their minds. The GOOD kind of racism

False. They weren’t trying to reduce the number of Asian students, they were trying to increase representation from across the county. That’s why they ADDED seats. It wasn’t zero sum.

Today we have kids from all middle schools, not just the affluent feeders.

Could the admissions process be improved? Sure. But it’s much, much better than it was. Having <1% of the class coming from economically-disadvantaged families (in a county with 35%+ ED) was appalling.

It wasn't <1% but it was low. Single digits for sure.

If racial, economic and geographic diversity is the purpose of a place like TJ then the new process is a success. If academic excellence is you objective then the new admissions process is a resounding failure.

Class of 2024 was less than 1% from ED families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was an incident where an fcps employee gave the exact test to Marie Curie prep school. The kids memorized the answers. The employee was not fired!

I thought that was for the WISC test.

Nope TJ test. Fcps doesnt give the Wisc.

One year an insanely high number of Curie kids got into TJ. They bragged about in on their site. The rumor is that fcps checked and the scores-answers were suspiciously similar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are free to believe there wasn't a test bank that was used at some prep programs but there was. Students in the program admitted it. Students admitted to providing the questions for the test bank.

Did anyone buy the test? No.

Did people pay for access to past test questions? Yes.

Was it criminal activity? No

Was it an advantage to the kids who paid to take those classes? Yes.

Is it part of the reason the Quant test was removed? Yes.

You can't take the TJ test home with you.
The best you can do is try to recall what sorry of questions we're on the test. E.g., you can say that there's were analogies and exponents on the test. Nobody recited the test questions into a test bank
These are not test banks in the commonly understood sense, no matter what the social media posts of virtue signaling teenager's may say*

*The virtue signaling teenager in question was going on about how her privilege was unfair because not everyone could afford to pay for a prep class.

You pay above average teenagers money for every question they remember and then create a bank of questions. You can even tell the teen which 5-10 to memorize. Even $10 a question will repay itself 100s back.

Yes. My child went to TJ and other kids talked about doing this. They continued to do this while at TJ for tests they took in particular classes. A teacher there also told me that students told her that their tutors asked them to do this for test question banks.

Kids at TJ have talked about these practices pretty openly. If you have a kid there, your child has probably heard about this.

Can you please provide the name of the tutor/tutors? I would like my child to be prepared for TJ next year 🤣🤣🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:URMs have never and will never perform at the same academic level as non-URMs. The optics of this reality are too much for some, so rather than admit this, some people prefer to call non-URMs cheaters so the predictable poor performance of the new admission policy can be explained away. It’s unfortunate.

I didn't think they will never code the achievement gap but FCPS certainly thinks never. They don't think URM can ever close the achievement gap if we use objective measures of academic merit. So they get rid of those objective measures of academic merit and call it a tie

The also give those students “experience favor” bonus points….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was an incident where an fcps employee gave the exact test to Marie Curie prep school. The kids memorized the answers. The employee was not fired!

I thought that was for the WISC test.

Nope TJ test. Fcps doesnt give the Wisc.

One year an insanely high number of Curie kids got into TJ. They bragged about in on their site. The rumor is that fcps checked and the scores-answers were suspiciously similar.

This was for AAP several years ago. I believe it was WISC...

[Anonymous]

The community has been concerned about parents gaming the system for decades…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2001/12/01/outsmarting-the-competition-into-thomas-jefferson-high/3f547eb4-a62d-439e-adbb-c409403deea6/

“attended a private learning center in Burke for test practice and admissions counseling -- even advice on elementary school extracurricular activities. “

"Families go through incredible behavior just to try to get their kids into Jefferson by moving into a particular area or renting a town house near Longfellow [Middle School] or others that they think will give them an edge."

“The frenzy highlights a current districtwide controversy about the admission process. Domenech wants to increase the number of students attending Jefferson from less affluent areas of the county”

For the first time, applicants who registered to take the test this year were given a 16-page booklet with test-taking strategies and sample questions.

"We knew that kids were getting help," said admissions coordinator Christel G. Payne, "and it just wasn't fair that a great deal knew what they were facing when they went in on Saturday morning and others would go in cold with no idea what they would be looking at."

MCPS: “Eileen Steinkraus, the magnet coordinator, said applicants used to take the Preliminary SAT, but so many students studied for the test that they abolished it four years ago and had a testing service develop a test for them.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was an incident where an fcps employee gave the exact test to Marie Curie prep school. The kids memorized the answers. The employee was not fired!

I thought that was for the WISC test.

Nope TJ test. Fcps doesnt give the Wisc.

One year an insanely high number of Curie kids got into TJ. They bragged about in on their site. The rumor is that fcps checked and the scores-answers were suspiciously similar.

Does Curie have math and English enrichment for elementary school students or is it just TJ prep?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Assuming these behaviors are affecting "fairness," why didn't the TJ test administrators just change the test questions every year? You can assess readiness for the rigor of TJ without repeating the questions each year.

Quant-Q intentionally does NOT release materials to the public - it’s very different than SAT, ACT, etc. They want to “measure your natural ability”.

"Remember that the goal of a critical thinking assessment is to measure your natural ability to think critically, so there’s no need for extensive preparation. Just be yourself and approach the assessment with a clear mind."