NFL Commanders building $3bn new stadium in Ward 7 on the old RFK site

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You can see the entire pitch deck here:
https://app.box.com/s/qz4wqf2yiqhe66lbmnvwem4pl3bs1t5h

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In normal times, I might support this, but not now. The owner can take the tax cut the GOP is going to give him at the expense of the most vulnerable, especially in DC, and do it himself

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Anonymous wrote:I bet this forum is full of people who think housing operated by the city should be on this land instead. News check: you need private development and people with a vested interest in keep this area maintained and thriving.

Who else is going to come in and develop this area properly? If not the commanders it will turn into the socialist council having developers building "low income housing" that then gets handed off and falls into a state of disrepair.

Grocery stores and retail don't just appear because the government directs stores to appear somewhere. There needs to be a private entity responding to demand. With the state of the city's economy I don't see anyone stepping up to properly develop this area but the Commanders.

This is a great point.

Look at The Wharf - the anchor for that entire development is The Anthem, which brings anywhere from 1K to 4K people to the development nearly every day. All those people want a meal, a drink, etc before or after a show. It keeps the foot traffic high and - when combined with the apartments, hotels, and offices - the place always has a buzzing energy.

The trick with the stadium is that they need consistent events to keep people coming back on a near-daily basis. They will get some of that with the athletic center, but frankly they'll need to go heavier on the housing than The Wharf. The stadium (and its environs) will have a few dozen events per year. But it needs to be a private entity with a vested financial interest to keep the space around the stadium maintained and safe.

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Anonymous wrote:This has turned every sports bro into an economist and GGW into a bunch of NIMBYs.

let me guess...they say "NeEdS mOrE hOuSiNg", while ignoring the fact that a whole neighborhood is going to be built that was never going to exist otherwise

Nobody's opposing a new neighborhood. The question is whether there will be a huge stadium and even larger parking lot displacing thousands of additional units of housing that could be built in that neighborhood. Developers will be eager to build either way.

Who owns the land on which the housing will be built?

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has turned every sports bro into an economist and GGW into a bunch of NIMBYs.

let me guess...they say "NeEdS mOrE hOuSiNg", while ignoring the fact that a whole neighborhood is going to be built that was never going to exist otherwise

Nobody's opposing a new neighborhood. The question is whether there will be a huge stadium and even larger parking lot displacing thousands of additional units of housing that could be built in that neighborhood. Developers will be eager to build either way.

Who owns the land on which the housing will be built?

The federal government transferred the land to DC in the most recent omnibus IIRC. Links in the more recent posts in the older thread here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1145914.page

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

Where's the source that there will be a new Metro stop?

The city's pitch deck shows the development using the existing Stadium-Armory stop.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

If you look at the pitch deck, there is a lot of housing being built there as well as the stadium.

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Too much crime in DC to go to a football game. We stop going the the Hockey games and Baseball games from all the crime we have to tolerate on the streets and on the Metro. We can't visit a restaurant after a game without someone asking for money. Then we hope our car is not broken into or damaged when we get to it.

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Anonymous wrote:God, this is so stupid. The last thing DC needs is a fancy new stadium.

Actually the last thing the WORLD needs is a stadium. Ridiculous.

Absolutely.

The number of unhoused people (including unhoused families) in DC is astronomically high; surely DOGE’s RIFs will vastly increase the number of unhoused very very soon.

For all the $$$ wasted on this stupid stadium folly, just think of the number of homes we could provide to our less fortunate neighbors and friends.

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Anonymous wrote:God, this is so stupid. The last thing DC needs is a fancy new stadium.

Actually the last thing the WORLD needs is a stadium. Ridiculous.

Absolutely.

The number of unhoused people (including unhoused families) in DC is astronomically high; surely DOGE’s RIFs will vastly increase the number of unhoused very very soon.

For all the $$$ wasted on this stupid stadium folly, just think of the number of homes we could provide to our less fortunate neighbors and friends.

The number of homeless people in DC is high because the benefits are higher than they are anywhere else in the region.

There's also a lot of housing planned as part of this development.

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Anonymous wrote:Would anyone be surprised if this council stops the commanders from coming back to DC and they end up in VA? This is the single most incompetent gov body not only in the DMV, but in the entire country. I could easily see these people squander this once in a lifetime opportunity squabbling about low income housing and wrap around services.

I would but I shouldn't be. This proposal has everything the usual suspects on the Council always want. Bike lanes, limited parking, attainable housing, vibrancy, and construction kickbacks. All that and a stadium too. It's a masterclass in horse trading by Field's own Josh Harris.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

Likely the same type as those that demand no parking nowadays.