Yale athletes discuss their SAT/ACT scores.

[Anonymous]

OK, if people really want major college sports to operate like the way college club sports work, where you select a student body sports blind and the students self-organize into teams, you could have student bodies that seem to match the major sports teams in terms of admissions.

Since that is not what America wants, it is not what America gets.

So PLEASE think of D1 stadium sports alumni the same way some people think of affirmative action admits, except worse. They didn't earn the degree. They gave the kids bread and circuses and were supported far enough to not fail out. Their degrees should have asterisks and all that.

[Anonymous]

DS is a Cornell athlete. 1580 SAT and 3.9 UW GPA. Hopefully he offsets some of these….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I understand why some people get mad when they see athletes gain admission to Ivies. They've spent years obsessing over every decimal point on their kid's GPA and while equally obsessing over CS, while little Timmy down the street gets in because he can crack some heads on the football field. Must be infuriating.

My son had no interest in playing for an Ivy, yet now that they are knocking, he is intrigued. Should he reject an Ivy League education because some non-athlete with marginally better stats feels entitled to "his" spot? Please.

It seems utterly ridiculous not to leverage your talents to their fullest potential. The world rewards people who use every advantage they have—academic, athletic, or otherwise. Those clutching their pearls about athletic recruits would happily use their own connections if they had them.

College admissions has never been a pure meritocracy, and anyone pretending otherwise is selling something. If the Ivies value what my son brings to their campus, why on earth would we turn that down?

Who's saying you should turn it down? Just have to have the money to fund it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ha ha me too and I won’t download it either

No way in hell am I ever downloading TikTok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, if people really want major college sports to operate like the way college club sports work, where you select a student body sports blind and the students self-organize into teams, you could have student bodies that seem to match the major sports teams in terms of admissions.

Since that is not what America wants, it is not what America gets.

So PLEASE think of D1 stadium sports alumni the same way some people think of affirmative action admits, except worse. They didn't earn the degree. They gave the kids bread and circuses and were supported far enough to not fail out. Their degrees should have asterisks and all that.

That is absolute nonsense for the vast majority of schools argued over here on DCUM with the large publics and a few Privates (Duke, Vandy, Rice, Northwestern, Stanford) being exceptions.

The Ivies and Patriot League use the Academic Index and even if the examples in the tik tok were true (I doubt that they are) starting with the incoming class of 2028 there aren't any kids like that incoming because for sports the schools are requiring testing once again and it has caused real impacts.

Most of the athletes at Ivy schools are well over the academic bar for admission. We hear people crying and giving 'examples' as if they are the norm when they aren't. Things are even harder for athletes at the elite D3 schools where there is little to no leeway for the vast majority of athletes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone justifying the affirmative action for sports by saying the kids have to work so hard and spend so much time at their sport be at that level forget that kids in other activities and and interests spend just as be much time as the athletes but no one is reserving and setting aside spots for the advanced theatre kids, robotics kids, debate travelers, the kids like me that played sports AND worked a job to pay for my sports equipment.

Most kids in the DC area who play sports also have the money and means to play. It’s an industry. Amherst College has roughly the same amount of athletes as the University of Alabama.

Lacrosse costs $$$$ to play. It’s hardly a blue collar sport. Tennis? $$$$. Fencing? $$$$. Gymnastics? $$$$. Hockey used to be more of an accessible sport but that has become part of the affluent club/travel sport culture.

Rowing? $$$$ Sailing $$$$ The list is long and has produced an industry of parents and kids spending time and money hoping it’ll get them into the shorter line to college.

Everyone screams about DEI and affirmative action when the original affirmative action has always been wealth, class, influence, race, gender, and legacy with things like sports allowing some without tremendous wealth to get a leg up. Colleges were originally for white, wealthy or wealthy enough land owning Christian men. There is a reason we had the Ivies and the Seven Sisters. Harvard, Yale, etc. all started hundreds of B years ago to educate certain men. Sometimes they let a Jewish man attend or a Black man. But the seats were reserved for a certain class and type of white man. Just like the country clubs.

Women set up their own colleges or seminaries. Black men and women set up theirs. Jewish people set up theirs too. Eventually the old WASPy mainline schools let in men and women who they had previously kept out but they never really discussed or addressed how their original structure affirmatively helped the groups they served not have to compete with large portions of the population. It created a lot of fragility on the part of the originally favored groups and, rather than admit that their group benefited for 100s of years from not having to compete with smarter but less wealthy men, women, nonwhite, nonWASP/Christian people, they started screaming and pointing at the groups that looked different were why you can’t get in.

+100.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone justifying the affirmative action for sports by saying the kids have to work so hard and spend so much time at their sport be at that level forget that kids in other activities and and interests spend just as be much time as the athletes but no one is reserving and setting aside spots for the advanced theatre kids, robotics kids, debate travelers, the kids like me that played sports AND worked a job to pay for my sports equipment.

Most kids in the DC area who play sports also have the money and means to play. It’s an industry. Amherst College has roughly the same amount of athletes as the University of Alabama.

Lacrosse costs $$$$ to play. It’s hardly a blue collar sport. Tennis? $$$$. Fencing? $$$$. Gymnastics? $$$$. Hockey used to be more of an accessible sport but that has become part of the affluent club/travel sport culture.

Rowing? $$$$ Sailing $$$$ The list is long and has produced an industry of parents and kids spending time and money hoping it’ll get them into the shorter line to college.

Everyone screams about DEI and affirmative action when the original affirmative action has always been wealth, class, influence, race, gender, and legacy with things like sports allowing some without tremendous wealth to get a leg up. Colleges were originally for white, wealthy or wealthy enough land owning Christian men. There is a reason we had the Ivies and the Seven Sisters. Harvard, Yale, etc. all started hundreds of B years ago to educate certain men. Sometimes they let a Jewish man attend or a Black man. But the seats were reserved for a certain class and type of white man. Just like the country clubs.

Women set up their own colleges or seminaries. Black men and women set up theirs. Jewish people set up theirs too. Eventually the old WASPy mainline schools let in men and women who they had previously kept out but they never really discussed or addressed how their original structure affirmatively helped the groups they served not have to compete with large portions of the population. It created a lot of fragility on the part of the originally favored groups and, rather than admit that their group benefited for 100s of years from not having to compete with smarter but less wealthy men, women, nonwhite, nonWASP/Christian people, they started screaming and pointing at the groups that looked different were why you can’t get in.

Why would you want to send your kid to such a retched place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, if people really want major college sports to operate like the way college club sports work, where you select a student body sports blind and the students self-organize into teams, you could have student bodies that seem to match the major sports teams in terms of admissions.

Since that is not what America wants, it is not what America gets.

So PLEASE think of D1 stadium sports alumni the same way some people think of affirmative action admits, except worse. They didn't earn the degree. They gave the kids bread and circuses and were supported far enough to not fail out. Their degrees should have asterisks and all that.

That is absolute nonsense for the vast majority of schools argued over here on DCUM with the large publics and a few Privates (Duke, Vandy, Rice, Northwestern, Stanford) being exceptions.

The Ivies and Patriot League use the Academic Index and even if the examples in the tik tok were true (I doubt that they are) starting with the incoming class of 2028 there aren't any kids like that incoming because for sports the schools are requiring testing once again and it has caused real impacts.

Most of the athletes at Ivy schools are well over the academic bar for admission. We hear people crying and giving 'examples' as if they are the norm when they aren't. Things are even harder for athletes at the elite D3 schools where there is little to no leeway for the vast majority of athletes.

I say D1 stadium sports and you say D3 elite sports.

[Anonymous]

For people saying it's because of TO it not. A friend of mine recruit to Princeton football with a 24. Dropped out, now is a racecar driver.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, if people really want major college sports to operate like the way college club sports work, where you select a student body sports blind and the students self-organize into teams, you could have student bodies that seem to match the major sports teams in terms of admissions.

Since that is not what America wants, it is not what America gets.

So PLEASE think of D1 stadium sports alumni the same way some people think of affirmative action admits, except worse. They didn't earn the degree. They gave the kids bread and circuses and were supported far enough to not fail out. Their degrees should have asterisks and all that.

Why do you care? Elite US colleges are educating young people to be leaders in society in many different areas. They are looking for students who are outstanding in numerous areas, not only pure academics.

Test scores and GPAs don’t necessarily show how “meritorious” an applicant is. Leadership qualities, in particular, are not measured by test scores.

Again, I am puzzled as to why so many people appear to be confused about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NIL will take care of this soon enough.

Ivy League isn't participating in NIL.

Kids who are great for college but have no prospect for pro, now have a real shot of making 200k a year in college. That can change lives.

For student athletes that want to play soccer and then go to med school, yale is great.

But for the kids who never read a book in HS and are now at Yale because they're good at football, they'll look elsewhere and get some payday - or payback for 18 years of training

What college kid is getting 200K a year if they have no shot at going pro?

But as a general premise, yes, I think the Ivy may lose some players to NIL money, but if they're playing at an Ivy, they're generally not the caliber athlete that can be paid that kind of NIL money. I wish the Ivies would offset this with some athletic scholarship money.

Every single starter in the elite eight. And many more

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, if people really want major college sports to operate like the way college club sports work, where you select a student body sports blind and the students self-organize into teams, you could have student bodies that seem to match the major sports teams in terms of admissions.

Since that is not what America wants, it is not what America gets.

So PLEASE think of D1 stadium sports alumni the same way some people think of affirmative action admits, except worse. They didn't earn the degree. They gave the kids bread and circuses and were supported far enough to not fail out. Their degrees should have asterisks and all that.

That is absolute nonsense for the vast majority of schools argued over here on DCUM with the large publics and a few Privates (Duke, Vandy, Rice, Northwestern, Stanford) being exceptions.

The Ivies and Patriot League use the Academic Index and even if the examples in the tik tok were true (I doubt that they are) starting with the incoming class of 2028 there aren't any kids like that incoming because for sports the schools are requiring testing once again and it has caused real impacts.

Most of the athletes at Ivy schools are well over the academic bar for admission. We hear people crying and giving 'examples' as if they are the norm when they aren't. Things are even harder for athletes at the elite D3 schools where there is little to no leeway for the vast majority of athletes.

Ivies usually keep some top stats benchwarmers to boost the average, allowing the department to balance out the stats of the actual playing team

The minimum AI for anyone to enter the ivy league as an athlete is 171 - that can be obtained with a 3.0 GA and 1110 SAT, for example. Many of the Yale athletes in the video could have attended even with submitted SAT scores, if they were a strong enough athlete.

The objective fact is that athletes recieve preferential treatment in admissions relative to other non-academic ECs like art or music.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, if people really want major college sports to operate like the way college club sports work, where you select a student body sports blind and the students self-organize into teams, you could have student bodies that seem to match the major sports teams in terms of admissions.

Since that is not what America wants, it is not what America gets.

So PLEASE think of D1 stadium sports alumni the same way some people think of affirmative action admits, except worse. They didn't earn the degree. They gave the kids bread and circuses and were supported far enough to not fail out. Their degrees should have asterisks and all that.

Why do you care? Elite US colleges are educating young people to be leaders in society in many different areas. They are looking for students who are outstanding in numerous areas, not only pure academics.

Test scores and GPAs don’t necessarily show how “meritorious” an applicant is. Leadership qualities, in particular, are not measured by test scores.

Again, I am puzzled as to why so many people appear to be confused about this.

This doesn't explain why athletes in NCAA sports are given preference over those in non-NCAA sports. The former are an institutional priority, while the latter is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, if people really want major college sports to operate like the way college club sports work, where you select a student body sports blind and the students self-organize into teams, you could have student bodies that seem to match the major sports teams in terms of admissions.

Since that is not what America wants, it is not what America gets.

So PLEASE think of D1 stadium sports alumni the same way some people think of affirmative action admits, except worse. They didn't earn the degree. They gave the kids bread and circuses and were supported far enough to not fail out. Their degrees should have asterisks and all that.

That is absolute nonsense for the vast majority of schools argued over here on DCUM with the large publics and a few Privates (Duke, Vandy, Rice, Northwestern, Stanford) being exceptions.

The Ivies and Patriot League use the Academic Index and even if the examples in the tik tok were true (I doubt that they are) starting with the incoming class of 2028 there aren't any kids like that incoming because for sports the schools are requiring testing once again and it has caused real impacts.

Most of the athletes at Ivy schools are well over the academic bar for admission. We hear people crying and giving 'examples' as if they are the norm when they aren't. Things are even harder for athletes at the elite D3 schools where there is little to no leeway for the vast majority of athletes.

Ivies usually keep some top stats benchwarmers to boost the average, allowing the department to balance out the stats of the actual playing team

The minimum AI for anyone to enter the ivy league as an athlete is 171 - that can be obtained with a 3.0 GA and 1110 SAT, for example. Many of the Yale athletes in the video could have attended even with submitted SAT scores, if they were a strong enough athlete.

The objective fact is that athletes recieve preferential treatment in admissions relative to other non-academic ECs like art or music.

The minimum for Yale would be well over 171. It varies depending on the a erase stats at the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjMrRUM2/

What do yall think?

The football team is not representative of the typical athlete at Yale.

A friend’s son is at Yale right now playing another sport, one that no one at Yale cares much about. He got in with a 1200.