Van Ness Public Housing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm seeking to move to an apartment in NW DC but this is alarming. Can someone kindly explain which buildings participate in the Housing First program? Or do all of them? And must condo landlords accept vouchers as well?

I am a single mom looking for a relatively safe and affordable place to live. I'm used to city living.

Any guidance appreciated!

Schools in DC are horrible MS and above for the most part. Look in Bethesda, Pooks Hill is affordable and has good schools.

Not true at all. Good lord. My kids all went/going to Murch/Deal/JR. Perfect? Nope - but they really amaze me with how solid they can be. Some very good teachers. Some bad. But when I compare notes with friends in private - they come out a little ahead in terms of science especially with the Academies at JR. And big schools have their pluses. Kids learn to advocate for themselves. They can always find another friend group if things go south.

I live near CT North of Van Ness. The buildings that I notice with the most police presence are The Brandywine and The Sangamore - across from each other at Brandywine and CT - and if you look at the Sangamore on Google Maps it even has the dmv exotic smoke shop listed as a business in it! , Connecticut House at Albemarle & CT, and The Chesapeake Apartments. These are the main players.

But there has also been police presence outside Ellicott House and the one next to it at Davenpport and Ct. Condos seems to be much calmer. The Avalon is lowkey and stable but with this change coming.

As far as the crime - it is not great but if you have lived in the city any amount of time or in areas other than Upper NW - it's not that big a deal. Would I hate to live in a building with some of these people, yes?

Please excuse us residents of upper NW with our outdated expectations of public safety. We are a nostalgic lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frumin’s silence on this issue has been appalling. The voucher issue has grown exponentially worse during his tenure with multiple children being killed and countless acts of violence. His limited legislative efforts have, predictably, gone no where. And to add salt to the wound a marijuana dispensary was allowed to open across the street from several “nuisance” buildings where the #1 complaint was the stench of weed. His four years in office will go down as perhaps the worst ever for Ward 3 and given the economic headwinds we are facing may never be corrected.

Fumin isn’t silent on this. He loves it. This is exactly what he wanted to happen. Who cares about the families and seniors who had their long-time community destroyed? Not Frumin.

If only Frumin wasn’t so unlikeable that his former black colleague Bill was repulsed by him and refused to socialize with him, we may have avoided all this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they make a mental health screening before accepting possible tenants.

The Housing First policy applied by the DCHA has been a disaster. It has destroyed the peaceful living of so many communities around DC because they populated those communities with people with severe mental issues.

Destroyed? Highly doubtful. I'd much rather see them housed than living in tents on the street.

I guess you has been living in a bubble. There are so many cases of people with mental issues assaulting condo's staff or residents. There other cases with people with criminal records (sexual offenders, pedophiles, etc.) living in condos where there are children. Nobody wants to have a sexual offender neighbor specially if you have children. There are mental facilities for those kind of people.

What is the problem with screening people for mental health issues or criminal record before inserting them in a community?

I have no problem with Affordable housing, but the way that is has been implemented by the DCHA is a disaster.

Here are some examples of many:

"D.C. housed the homeless in upscale apartments. It hasn’t gone as planned."
https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/be19wp/dc_housed_the_homeless_in_upscale_apartments_it/?rdt=50224

"Apartment updates: Police calls rise, case managers remain absent, and tenant leaders continue to press for change"
https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/home-front/apartment-updates-police-calls-rise-case-managers-remain-absent-and-tenant-leaders-continue-to-press-for-change/

"MPD referred three Van Ness apartment buildings to DC AG’s “nuisance” property office"
"https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/mpd-referred-three-van-ness-apartment-buildings-to-dc-ags-nuisance-property-office/

"Residents and landlords speak at an apartment-focused Council hearing on crime"
https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/home-front/residents-and-landlords-speak-at-an-apartment-focused-council-hearing-on-crime/

This. My elderly aunt moved out of one of those buildings because life became unbearable with constant noise and pot smoking in public places from the people who do not behave in civil ways and violate the rules of the community. She moved to a garden apartment in a suburban area outside of Beltway, not ideal, but they have respectful people around and don't have to deal with degeneracy. People with addictions and mental health issues do not belong in the residential communities with children, elderly and anyone who just wants safety and peaceful living. They shouldn't be dumping degenerates in the midst of the nice residential communities. People who need rehabilitation are not going to get it this way either, they need to be sent to other facilities where it can happen.

The way it's been done in DC is another example of suicidal empathy. Help for lower income people who do work or live off SS/disability and just want the same thing (Peace and safety) and access to better amenities but cannot afford it is different than dumping a bunch of tent inhabitants (with addictions and mental illness needing treatment) or drug/criminal element from the hood (acting out their thug fantasies and smoking weed everywhere) into the buildings and in the midst of the residential areas full of people who have a different set of rules.

No, it's pushed by idiots like Frumin and the poster above who don;t have to suffer under these policies. They get to feel good about themselves while others take the brunt of the results.

The irony is that the people who take the brunt of these results are the low income people, or fixed income people living in rent control units. These people are pushed out because of degenerate behavior of some of the new neighbors, and they don't have many housing options. They have to move to less convenient or lower quality housing.

+1

I used to live in a building on Conn Ave and it had a mix of residents including single parents, elderly, etc. Rent was very affordable and it was zoned for a good school in DC. None of those living there could afford a SFH in thr neighborhood but apartments allowed to live in a safe neighborhood. Those are the people who are hurt by these policies. It is sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frumin’s silence on this issue has been appalling. The voucher issue has grown exponentially worse during his tenure with multiple children being killed and countless acts of violence. His limited legislative efforts have, predictably, gone no where. And to add salt to the wound a marijuana dispensary was allowed to open across the street from several “nuisance” buildings where the #1 complaint was the stench of weed. His four years in office will go down as perhaps the worst ever for Ward 3 and given the economic headwinds we are facing may never be corrected.

Fumin isn’t silent on this. He loves it. This is exactly what he wanted to happen. Who cares about the families and seniors who had their long-time community destroyed? Not Frumin.

If only Frumin wasn’t so unlikeable that his former black colleague Bill was repulsed by him and refused to socialize with him, we may have avoided all this.

If a candidate wants to”Ward 3 for All”. Then believe him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Avalon is a really large bldg, think I saw 550 units. It’s concerning. There has been so much violence in and outside surrounding buildings.

I wish lowering rents to get more middle class paying tenants was ever on the table. Before HF took off many of the Van Ness bldg offered free months for a move in special and historically they offered discount coupons.

It’s esp sad for elderly with social ties who had planned to age in place and single/divorced moms who used to flock to the buildings for safety and access to good schools.

That neighborhood was a haven for the elderly and single parents for decades and turned to what it is now almost overnight while Frumin cheered this on.

Yes this plus young professionals working in non profits or government. Safe, affordable housing for people that wanted to live in the city with metro access in nice smaller apartments without super high incomes. I don’t know that type of working class or middle income apartment housing has been replaced. They all have to move to MD and VA now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"housing for households in the 60 to 80% median family income range ($92,000 to $123,750 for a family of four)."

Over $92k is hardly low income. This is great for middle America with solid but thankless jobs.

Do you know how expensive this area is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good.

Public housing should be spread equally across all wards. Glad to see Ward 3 is finally making baby steps towards carrying its fair share.

Another reason Democrats will continue to lose elections. Signed / a Democrat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they make a mental health screening before accepting possible tenants.

The Housing First policy applied by the DCHA has been a disaster. It has destroyed the peaceful living of so many communities around DC because they populated those communities with people with severe mental issues.

Destroyed? Highly doubtful. I'd much rather see them housed than living in tents on the street.

I guess you has been living in a bubble. There are so many cases of people with mental issues assaulting condo's staff or residents. There other cases with people with criminal records (sexual offenders, pedophiles, etc.) living in condos where there are children. Nobody wants to have a sexual offender neighbor specially if you have children. There are mental facilities for those kind of people.

What is the problem with screening people for mental health issues or criminal record before inserting them in a community?

I have no problem with Affordable housing, but the way that is has been implemented by the DCHA is a disaster.

Here are some examples of many:

"D.C. housed the homeless in upscale apartments. It hasn’t gone as planned."
https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/be19wp/dc_housed_the_homeless_in_upscale_apartments_it/?rdt=50224

"Apartment updates: Police calls rise, case managers remain absent, and tenant leaders continue to press for change"
https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/home-front/apartment-updates-police-calls-rise-case-managers-remain-absent-and-tenant-leaders-continue-to-press-for-change/

"MPD referred three Van Ness apartment buildings to DC AG’s “nuisance” property office"
"https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/mpd-referred-three-van-ness-apartment-buildings-to-dc-ags-nuisance-property-office/

"Residents and landlords speak at an apartment-focused Council hearing on crime"
https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/home-front/residents-and-landlords-speak-at-an-apartment-focused-council-hearing-on-crime/

This. My elderly aunt moved out of one of those buildings because life became unbearable with constant noise and pot smoking in public places from the people who do not behave in civil ways and violate the rules of the community. She moved to a garden apartment in a suburban area outside of Beltway, not ideal, but they have respectful people around and don't have to deal with degeneracy. People with addictions and mental health issues do not belong in the residential communities with children, elderly and anyone who just wants safety and peaceful living. They shouldn't be dumping degenerates in the midst of the nice residential communities. People who need rehabilitation are not going to get it this way either, they need to be sent to other facilities where it can happen.

The way it's been done in DC is another example of suicidal empathy. Help for lower income people who do work or live off SS/disability and just want the same thing (Peace and safety) and access to better amenities but cannot afford it is different than dumping a bunch of tent inhabitants (with addictions and mental illness needing treatment) or drug/criminal element from the hood (acting out their thug fantasies and smoking weed everywhere) into the buildings and in the midst of the residential areas full of people who have a different set of rules.

No, it's pushed by idiots like Frumin and the poster above who don;t have to suffer under these policies. They get to feel good about themselves while others take the brunt of the results.

The irony is that the people who take the brunt of these results are the low income people, or fixed income people living in rent control units. These people are pushed out because of degenerate behavior of some of the new neighbors, and they don't have many housing options. They have to move to less convenient or lower quality housing.

+1

I used to live in a building on Conn Ave and it had a mix of residents including single parents, elderly, etc. Rent was very affordable and it was zoned for a good school in DC. None of those living there could afford a SFH in thr neighborhood but apartments allowed to live in a safe neighborhood. Those are the people who are hurt by these policies. It is sad.

The policy is basically creating gentrification - zero middle class, and a huge income disparity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they make a mental health screening before accepting possible tenants.

The Housing First policy applied by the DCHA has been a disaster. It has destroyed the peaceful living of so many communities around DC because they populated those communities with people with severe mental issues.

Destroyed? Highly doubtful. I'd much rather see them housed than living in tents on the street.

I guess you has been living in a bubble. There are so many cases of people with mental issues assaulting condo's staff or residents. There other cases with people with criminal records (sexual offenders, pedophiles, etc.) living in condos where there are children. Nobody wants to have a sexual offender neighbor specially if you have children. There are mental facilities for those kind of people.

What is the problem with screening people for mental health issues or criminal record before inserting them in a community?

I have no problem with Affordable housing, but the way that is has been implemented by the DCHA is a disaster.

Here are some examples of many:

"D.C. housed the homeless in upscale apartments. It hasn’t gone as planned."
https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/be19wp/dc_housed_the_homeless_in_upscale_apartments_it/?rdt=50224

"Apartment updates: Police calls rise, case managers remain absent, and tenant leaders continue to press for change"
https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/home-front/apartment-updates-police-calls-rise-case-managers-remain-absent-and-tenant-leaders-continue-to-press-for-change/

"MPD referred three Van Ness apartment buildings to DC AG’s “nuisance” property office"
"https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/mpd-referred-three-van-ness-apartment-buildings-to-dc-ags-nuisance-property-office/

"Residents and landlords speak at an apartment-focused Council hearing on crime"
https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/home-front/residents-and-landlords-speak-at-an-apartment-focused-council-hearing-on-crime/

This. My elderly aunt moved out of one of those buildings because life became unbearable with constant noise and pot smoking in public places from the people who do not behave in civil ways and violate the rules of the community. She moved to a garden apartment in a suburban area outside of Beltway, not ideal, but they have respectful people around and don't have to deal with degeneracy. People with addictions and mental health issues do not belong in the residential communities with children, elderly and anyone who just wants safety and peaceful living. They shouldn't be dumping degenerates in the midst of the nice residential communities. People who need rehabilitation are not going to get it this way either, they need to be sent to other facilities where it can happen.

The way it's been done in DC is another example of suicidal empathy. Help for lower income people who do work or live off SS/disability and just want the same thing (Peace and safety) and access to better amenities but cannot afford it is different than dumping a bunch of tent inhabitants (with addictions and mental illness needing treatment) or drug/criminal element from the hood (acting out their thug fantasies and smoking weed everywhere) into the buildings and in the midst of the residential areas full of people who have a different set of rules.

No, it's pushed by idiots like Frumin and the poster above who don;t have to suffer under these policies. They get to feel good about themselves while others take the brunt of the results.

The irony is that the people who take the brunt of these results are the low income people, or fixed income people living in rent control units. These people are pushed out because of degenerate behavior of some of the new neighbors, and they don't have many housing options. They have to move to less convenient or lower quality housing.

+1

I used to live in a building on Conn Ave and it had a mix of residents including single parents, elderly, etc. Rent was very affordable and it was zoned for a good school in DC. None of those living there could afford a SFH in thr neighborhood but apartments allowed to live in a safe neighborhood. Those are the people who are hurt by these policies. It is sad.

Yep, this was my aunt's family, she was a single mom of modest income and raised her 2 kids there, wanted to live in peace but had to be pushed out in her old age. This is how you destroy working class communities. Bring enough of degeneracy and reinforce it with soft on crime policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they make a mental health screening before accepting possible tenants.

The Housing First policy applied by the DCHA has been a disaster. It has destroyed the peaceful living of so many communities around DC because they populated those communities with people with severe mental issues.

Destroyed? Highly doubtful. I'd much rather see them housed than living in tents on the street.

I guess you has been living in a bubble. There are so many cases of people with mental issues assaulting condo's staff or residents. There other cases with people with criminal records (sexual offenders, pedophiles, etc.) living in condos where there are children. Nobody wants to have a sexual offender neighbor specially if you have children. There are mental facilities for those kind of people.

What is the problem with screening people for mental health issues or criminal record before inserting them in a community?

I have no problem with Affordable housing, but the way that is has been implemented by the DCHA is a disaster.

Here are some examples of many:

"D.C. housed the homeless in upscale apartments. It hasn’t gone as planned."
https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/be19wp/dc_housed_the_homeless_in_upscale_apartments_it/?rdt=50224

"Apartment updates: Police calls rise, case managers remain absent, and tenant leaders continue to press for change"
https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/home-front/apartment-updates-police-calls-rise-case-managers-remain-absent-and-tenant-leaders-continue-to-press-for-change/

"MPD referred three Van Ness apartment buildings to DC AG’s “nuisance” property office"
"https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/mpd-referred-three-van-ness-apartment-buildings-to-dc-ags-nuisance-property-office/

"Residents and landlords speak at an apartment-focused Council hearing on crime"
https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/home-front/residents-and-landlords-speak-at-an-apartment-focused-council-hearing-on-crime/

This. My elderly aunt moved out of one of those buildings because life became unbearable with constant noise and pot smoking in public places from the people who do not behave in civil ways and violate the rules of the community. She moved to a garden apartment in a suburban area outside of Beltway, not ideal, but they have respectful people around and don't have to deal with degeneracy. People with addictions and mental health issues do not belong in the residential communities with children, elderly and anyone who just wants safety and peaceful living. They shouldn't be dumping degenerates in the midst of the nice residential communities. People who need rehabilitation are not going to get it this way either, they need to be sent to other facilities where it can happen.

The way it's been done in DC is another example of suicidal empathy. Help for lower income people who do work or live off SS/disability and just want the same thing (Peace and safety) and access to better amenities but cannot afford it is different than dumping a bunch of tent inhabitants (with addictions and mental illness needing treatment) or drug/criminal element from the hood (acting out their thug fantasies and smoking weed everywhere) into the buildings and in the midst of the residential areas full of people who have a different set of rules.

No, it's pushed by idiots like Frumin and the poster above who don;t have to suffer under these policies. They get to feel good about themselves while others take the brunt of the results.

The irony is that the people who take the brunt of these results are the low income people, or fixed income people living in rent control units. These people are pushed out because of degenerate behavior of some of the new neighbors, and they don't have many housing options. They have to move to less convenient or lower quality housing.

+1

I used to live in a building on Conn Ave and it had a mix of residents including single parents, elderly, etc. Rent was very affordable and it was zoned for a good school in DC. None of those living there could afford a SFH in thr neighborhood but apartments allowed to live in a safe neighborhood. Those are the people who are hurt by these policies. It is sad.

The policy is basically creating gentrification - zero middle class, and a huge income disparity.

It's not gentrification. It's destruction. If you think that well to do nearby SFH communities wont' be affected think again. It has a negative effect of a far larger radius than housing block if crime and degenerate behavior is enforced with soft policies. Stores and other conveniences start closing down due to shoplifting and petty crime. Then suddenly affluent find themselves unable to walk anywhere worthy of walking or having to drive further to the basic amenities or having swaths of blocks in a neighborhood that become "avoid" zones.

My friend in SF had to recently experience such inconvenience when their main grocery store closed down and there isn't another one for miles, now they have to drive whereas they could walk before. Too much shoplifting that went completely crazy with people apparently taking out entire carts full of stuff and nobody doing anything, plus some drug activity in the parking lot. The elderly who relied on the store being walking distance away are the most affected.

[Anonymous]

Go democrats!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The above were peaceful communities with no issues until the DCHA decided to populated them with people with mental health issues and criminal behavior. DCHA has been destroyed the live of so many people around DC implementing the Housing First policy (no screening for mental health issues or criminal record, in addition to zero support from the DCHA for the mentally ill who got housed.

Truth.
My cousin lived on Conn Avenue and had settled down in her apartment while working as an HR Manager and working on her executive masters at Georgetown. Her building changed with DCHA- people wandering halls, pounding on doors, stolen packages, yelling and fights. So much changed and she left it after a police raid, full with gunshots right on her floor following a drug bust.
You can talk all you want about Ward 3 doing its share but the solution lies in really doing the hard work in the other wards, and not importing problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The above were peaceful communities with no issues until the DCHA decided to populated them with people with mental health issues and criminal behavior. DCHA has been destroyed the live of so many people around DC implementing the Housing First policy (no screening for mental health issues or criminal record, in addition to zero support from the DCHA for the mentally ill who got housed.

Truth.
My cousin lived on Conn Avenue and had settled down in her apartment while working as an HR Manager and working on her executive masters at Georgetown. Her building changed with DCHA- people wandering halls, pounding on doors, stolen packages, yelling and fights. So much changed and she left it after a police raid, full with gunshots right on her floor following a drug bust.
You can talk all you want about Ward 3 doing its share but the solution lies in really doing the hard work in the other wards, and not importing problems.

The problem is that every building in the city could turn to Section 8 overnight and the long-time residents only recourse is to buy a SFH or leave the city. I lived in a large building that went downhill, but it was big enough that it affected the lobby and gym but not my specific hallway, so I felt like I could live there safely until my lease was up. Other neighbors with problem tenants next door or across the hall fled sooner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they make a mental health screening before accepting possible tenants.

The Housing First policy applied by the DCHA has been a disaster. It has destroyed the peaceful living of so many communities around DC because they populated those communities with people with severe mental issues.

Destroyed? Highly doubtful. I'd much rather see them housed than living in tents on the street.

I guess you has been living in a bubble. There are so many cases of people with mental issues assaulting condo's staff or residents. There other cases with people with criminal records (sexual offenders, pedophiles, etc.) living in condos where there are children. Nobody wants to have a sexual offender neighbor specially if you have children. There are mental facilities for those kind of people.

What is the problem with screening people for mental health issues or criminal record before inserting them in a community?

I have no problem with Affordable housing, but the way that is has been implemented by the DCHA is a disaster.

Here are some examples of many:

"D.C. housed the homeless in upscale apartments. It hasn’t gone as planned."
https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/be19wp/dc_housed_the_homeless_in_upscale_apartments_it/?rdt=50224

"Apartment updates: Police calls rise, case managers remain absent, and tenant leaders continue to press for change"
https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/home-front/apartment-updates-police-calls-rise-case-managers-remain-absent-and-tenant-leaders-continue-to-press-for-change/

"MPD referred three Van Ness apartment buildings to DC AG’s “nuisance” property office"
"https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/mpd-referred-three-van-ness-apartment-buildings-to-dc-ags-nuisance-property-office/

"Residents and landlords speak at an apartment-focused Council hearing on crime"
https://www.foresthillsconnection.com/home-front/residents-and-landlords-speak-at-an-apartment-focused-council-hearing-on-crime/

This. My elderly aunt moved out of one of those buildings because life became unbearable with constant noise and pot smoking in public places from the people who do not behave in civil ways and violate the rules of the community. She moved to a garden apartment in a suburban area outside of Beltway, not ideal, but they have respectful people around and don't have to deal with degeneracy. People with addictions and mental health issues do not belong in the residential communities with children, elderly and anyone who just wants safety and peaceful living. They shouldn't be dumping degenerates in the midst of the nice residential communities. People who need rehabilitation are not going to get it this way either, they need to be sent to other facilities where it can happen.

The way it's been done in DC is another example of suicidal empathy. Help for lower income people who do work or live off SS/disability and just want the same thing (Peace and safety) and access to better amenities but cannot afford it is different than dumping a bunch of tent inhabitants (with addictions and mental illness needing treatment) or drug/criminal element from the hood (acting out their thug fantasies and smoking weed everywhere) into the buildings and in the midst of the residential areas full of people who have a different set of rules.

No, it's pushed by idiots like Frumin and the poster above who don;t have to suffer under these policies. They get to feel good about themselves while others take the brunt of the results.

The irony is that the people who take the brunt of these results are the low income people, or fixed income people living in rent control units. These people are pushed out because of degenerate behavior of some of the new neighbors, and they don't have many housing options. They have to move to less convenient or lower quality housing.

+1

I used to live in a building on Conn Ave and it had a mix of residents including single parents, elderly, etc. Rent was very affordable and it was zoned for a good school in DC. None of those living there could afford a SFH in thr neighborhood but apartments allowed to live in a safe neighborhood. Those are the people who are hurt by these policies. It is sad.

The policy is basically creating gentrification - zero middle class, and a huge income disparity.

It's not gentrification. It's destruction. If you think that well to do nearby SFH communities wont' be affected think again. It has a negative effect of a far larger radius than housing block if crime and degenerate behavior is enforced with soft policies. Stores and other conveniences start closing down due to shoplifting and petty crime. Then suddenly affluent find themselves unable to walk anywhere worthy of walking or having to drive further to the basic amenities or having swaths of blocks in a neighborhood that become "avoid" zones.

My friend in SF had to recently experience such inconvenience when their main grocery store closed down and there isn't another one for miles, now they have to drive whereas they could walk before. Too much shoplifting that went completely crazy with people apparently taking out entire carts full of stuff and nobody doing anything, plus some drug activity in the parking lot. The elderly who relied on the store being walking distance away are the most affected.

You voted for this.

https://mattfruminward3.com/ward3forall/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's me -- a regular working class person. My child will be in private school due to my ex's job. So with the school issue aside, is DC still feasible? Thanks.

As someone in a similar situation, I’d avoid. Plus VA and MD offer lower taxes and state college options.

DC has the lowest tax burden of the three.

This gets repeated a lot but isn't true.

VA in net has by far the lowest taxes because it has the lowest income tax rates.

Property taxes in the 3 local jurisdictions are almost identical but housing prices in DC are much higher across housing types and income levels so practically speaking property taxes in DC are the highest even if the rates are similar.

DC & MD have similar income tax rates - DC rates are a bit higher but DC has some more carve outs for different groups that somewhat off set that but if you are upper middle class or affluent you are going to pay more in DC.