Why does Trump, an atheist, appeal to so many Christians?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Often, Christians look down on atheists, thinking they’re stupid or evil.

Meanwhile, a lot of Christians voted for Trump, an obvious atheist. Why do you think that is?

Trump is not an "obvious" atheist. He has said many times that God saved him this summer from the assassin's bullet.

Frankly, OP, how dare you judge someone else's relationship with God.

OP did not judge anyone's relationship with God.

Just because Trump says that God saved him from an assassin's bullet doesn't mean he believes in God. Sounds like something an atheist who was trying to appeal to believers would say.

OP absolutely judged Trump's relationship with God. She called it "obviously" false. She has no idea what Trump's relationship is with God, or with Jesus Christ and had no right to make that statement about him or anyone else.

Do anyone here, besides pp, think Trump is religious?

"Religious" is a different word, and has different meaning to everyone. Does it mean you go to church? Does it mean that you are a believer? Your terminology is too general.

I have no idea what Trump's relationship with God/ Jesus Christ is, unlike OP, who claims to have the inside track. I know that he is/ has been a member of the Presbyterian Church and has been baptized.

I do know that, like all of us, he will stand accountable to God one day for his life and his faith.

You don't know that, you believe it -- that's different. People don't really know that Trump is an atheist either, but it sure seems likely.,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please stop calling him an atheist. It's such an offensive insinuation, just because you think he's immoral. He's a Christian. He identifies as a Christian. If you're a Christian and that bothers you, then challenge him when it comes to matters of your faith. But don't lump Trump in with atheists, just because you don't like him. Many of us have far, far better values and ethics.

I'm an atheist and I'm not immoral. I think Trump is an atheist too - and he's immoral. As you should know, one's religion, or lack thereof does not make a person moral. If that were the case, prisons would be full of atheists instead of full of Christians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Often, Christians look down on atheists, thinking they’re stupid or evil.

Meanwhile, a lot of Christians voted for Trump, an obvious atheist. Why do you think that is?

Trump is not an "obvious" atheist. He has said many times that God saved him this summer from the assassin's bullet.

Frankly, OP, how dare you judge someone else's relationship with God.

I'm assuming it's because in order to really call yourself a Christian you'd have to practice Christianity on some level. He doesn't do that with his language or deeds.

This is a fallacy.
Only one thing must be true in order to “call yourself a Christian” and that is that you have professed to believe that Christ is your savior who died for YOUR sins.
Perfection is not expected or required.
A certain set of behaviors is not expected or required.
Why?
Because we are all sinners. Every one of us. We cannot possibly earn this free gift of salvation. It is not earned. It is given.
We are saved not by what we do or have done but by grace through what HE has done for us.

So while many Christians may try to live a “good life” by following the example of Christ in loving and serving our neighbor in order to honor and glorify God, this is NOT what saves ANY of us. At all. Not thise you consider to be “good Christians” nor Trump. Relying on self is a certain failure.
Relying on Jesus Christ is certain eternal life.

Christians are not people who live perfect lives. Christians are sinful people who are forgiven by Gods Grace and who accept His gift of salvation through Christ Jesus.

Sounds like something right out of Sunday school - and pp believed it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Often, Christians look down on atheists, thinking they’re stupid or evil.

Meanwhile, a lot of Christians voted for Trump, an obvious atheist. Why do you think that is?

Trump is not an "obvious" atheist. He has said many times that God saved him this summer from the assassin's bullet.

Frankly, OP, how dare you judge someone else's relationship with God.

I'm assuming it's because in order to really call yourself a Christian you'd have to practice Christianity on some level. He doesn't do that with his language or deeds.

This is a fallacy.
Only one thing must be true in order to “call yourself a Christian” and that is that you have professed to believe that Christ is your savior who died for YOUR sins.
Perfection is not expected or required.
A certain set of behaviors is not expected or required.
Why?
Because we are all sinners. Every one of us. We cannot possibly earn this free gift of salvation. It is not earned. It is given.
We are saved not by what we do or have done but by grace through what HE has done for us.

So while many Christians may try to live a “good life” by following the example of Christ in loving and serving our neighbor in order to honor and glorify God, this is NOT what saves ANY of us. At all. Not thise you consider to be “good Christians” nor Trump. Relying on self is a certain failure.
Relying on Jesus Christ is certain eternal life.

Christians are not people who live perfect lives. Christians are sinful people who are forgiven by Gods Grace and who accept His gift of salvation through Christ Jesus.

So you ask Jesus into your heart and then go shoot up a school full of kids and all is good because you have Jesus in your heart? Uhm, I don't think so. I think you need to go back to Sunday School.

Your judgment is not God’s judgment.
Works may follow faith, and often do. But more often than not, we fail. And while I don’t fail on the level of shooting up a school—I fail daily by lying or coveting or perpetrating hate in my heart in other forms. Sin is sin in the eyes of God.
We are commanded to “go and sin no more” even as He knows we will fail. And this is why we need Jesus. He has taken the punishment for all of us.
For each of our sins.
And He has been clear that the punishment for sin is death. That is eternal separation from Him.
Our acceptance of Christ erases that punishment by acknowledging and accepting His sacrifice.
He paid the debt.
And yes. He paid it for the murderer next to Him in the cross. And he paid it for me.
I can’t earn that through a good life.
And I can’t negate that through future sin.

Pp sees themselves as a good sinner, who knows and preaches (see above) CHristian ideology, full of fake humility

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often, Christians look down on atheists, thinking they’re stupid or evil.

Meanwhile, a lot of Christians voted for Trump, an obvious atheist. Why do you think that is?

Trump is not an "obvious" atheist. He has said many times that God saved him this summer from the assassin's bullet.

Frankly, OP, how dare you judge someone else's relationship with God.

OP did not judge anyone's relationship with God.

Just because Trump says that God saved him from an assassin's bullet doesn't mean he believes in God. Sounds like something an atheist who was trying to appeal to believers would say.

OP absolutely judged Trump's relationship with God. She called it "obviously" false. She has no idea what Trump's relationship is with God, or with Jesus Christ and had no right to make that statement about him or anyone else.

Do anyone here, besides pp, think Trump is religious?

"Religious" is a different word, and has different meaning to everyone. Does it mean you go to church? Does it mean that you are a believer? Your terminology is too general.

I have no idea what Trump's relationship with God/ Jesus Christ is, unlike OP, who claims to have the inside track. I know that he is/ has been a member of the Presbyterian Church and has been baptized.

I do know that, like all of us, he will stand accountable to God one day for his life and his faith.

You don't know that, you believe it -- that's different. People don't really know that Trump is an atheist either, but it sure seems likely.,

I'm an atheist and can easily see that Trump is a bad man and I think he's an atheist. I didn't vote for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often, Christians look down on atheists, thinking they’re stupid or evil.

Meanwhile, a lot of Christians voted for Trump, an obvious atheist. Why do you think that is?

Trump is not an "obvious" atheist. He has said many times that God saved him this summer from the assassin's bullet.

Frankly, OP, how dare you judge someone else's relationship with God.

I'm assuming it's because in order to really call yourself a Christian you'd have to practice Christianity on some level. He doesn't do that with his language or deeds.

This is a fallacy.
Only one thing must be true in order to “call yourself a Christian” and that is that you have professed to believe that Christ is your savior who died for YOUR sins.
Perfection is not expected or required.
A certain set of behaviors is not expected or required.
Why?
Because we are all sinners. Every one of us. We cannot possibly earn this free gift of salvation. It is not earned. It is given.
We are saved not by what we do or have done but by grace through what HE has done for us.

So while many Christians may try to live a “good life” by following the example of Christ in loving and serving our neighbor in order to honor and glorify God, this is NOT what saves ANY of us. At all. Not thise you consider to be “good Christians” nor Trump. Relying on self is a certain failure.
Relying on Jesus Christ is certain eternal life.

Christians are not people who live perfect lives. Christians are sinful people who are forgiven by Gods Grace and who accept His gift of salvation through Christ Jesus.

Oh stuff it!

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Matthew 7:15-20

Thanks a lot, loser. Your double faced behavior makes it much harder for the rest of us.
- a Christian

Yuuuup.

[Anonymous]

Trump is the best example of an atheist and atheism ever. Truly awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is the best example of an atheist and atheism ever. Truly awful.

DH is an atheist and moral and has compassion. He despises Trump.

-Christian

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is the best example of an atheist and atheism ever. Truly awful.

DH is an atheist and moral and has compassion. He despises Trump.

-Christian

Correct - neither all Christians nor all atheists are bad people. Some people are bad, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Like Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often, Christians look down on atheists, thinking they’re stupid or evil.

Meanwhile, a lot of Christians voted for Trump, an obvious atheist. Why do you think that is?

Trump is not an "obvious" atheist. He has said many times that God saved him this summer from the assassin's bullet.

Frankly, OP, how dare you judge someone else's relationship with God.

I'm assuming it's because in order to really call yourself a Christian you'd have to practice Christianity on some level. He doesn't do that with his language or deeds.

This is a fallacy.
Only one thing must be true in order to “call yourself a Christian” and that is that you have professed to believe that Christ is your savior who died for YOUR sins.
Perfection is not expected or required.
A certain set of behaviors is not expected or required.
Why?
Because we are all sinners. Every one of us. We cannot possibly earn this free gift of salvation. It is not earned. It is given.
We are saved not by what we do or have done but by grace through what HE has done for us.

So while many Christians may try to live a “good life” by following the example of Christ in loving and serving our neighbor in order to honor and glorify God, this is NOT what saves ANY of us. At all. Not thise you consider to be “good Christians” nor Trump. Relying on self is a certain failure.
Relying on Jesus Christ is certain eternal life.

Christians are not people who live perfect lives. Christians are sinful people who are forgiven by Gods Grace and who accept His gift of salvation through Christ Jesus.

Like Trump?

We’re all sinners but some of us are trying harder than others to do better in following Christ’s teachings. I don’t think Trump is trying very hard, nor do I think he even really knows what those teachers are, or cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Often, Christians look down on atheists, thinking they’re stupid or evil.

Meanwhile, a lot of Christians voted for Trump, an obvious atheist. Why do you think that is?

Trump is not an "obvious" atheist. He has said many times that God saved him this summer from the assassin's bullet.

Frankly, OP, how dare you judge someone else's relationship with God.

I'm assuming it's because in order to really call yourself a Christian you'd have to practice Christianity on some level. He doesn't do that with his language or deeds.

This is a fallacy.
Only one thing must be true in order to “call yourself a Christian” and that is that you have professed to believe that Christ is your savior who died for YOUR sins.
Perfection is not expected or required.
A certain set of behaviors is not expected or required.
Why?
Because we are all sinners. Every one of us. We cannot possibly earn this free gift of salvation. It is not earned. It is given.
We are saved not by what we do or have done but by grace through what HE has done for us.

So while many Christians may try to live a “good life” by following the example of Christ in loving and serving our neighbor in order to honor and glorify God, this is NOT what saves ANY of us. At all. Not thise you consider to be “good Christians” nor Trump. Relying on self is a certain failure.
Relying on Jesus Christ is certain eternal life.

Christians are not people who live perfect lives. Christians are sinful people who are forgiven by Gods Grace and who accept His gift of salvation through Christ Jesus.

Like Trump?

We’re all sinners but some of us are trying harder than others to do better in following Christ’s teachings. I don’t think Trump is trying very hard, nor do I think he even really knows what those teachers are, or cares.

Those of us who are not religious, are not trying to follow Christ's teaching, or that of any other religious leader and most of us are still moral, unlike Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a trade particularly with (although not exclusively) the New Apostolic Reformation. The leaders don’t care about T’s conduct because he will institute their desired agenda. In return they vote for the regime, which enriches the oligarchs. It’s entirely transactional.

* The leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation movement adhere to dominion theology. They wish to exercise their authority over every sphere of society by taking control of political and cultural institutions. Key to this is the concept of the “Seven Mountains” strategy, a mobilizing marketing scheme to get Christians to take control of the spheres of family, religion, education, media, arts and entertainment, business and government. Trump is important for this because they see him as exemplifying how one conquers those mountains. For example, Trump is a leader in arts and entertainment. He had one of the most-watched shows, The Apprentice. When he was on Twitter, he conquered the media. In business, the Trump brand is global. So if you have him as head of the government, that will help Christians penetrate the other spheres. Their relationship with him is transactional. They need Trump. Trump needs them. They don’t mind that he’s not a moral man. That’s not important, because God chose imperfect individuals, and God’s will shall prevail.*

That’s a quote from this interview with a scholar who has studied the relationship. Here’s more of the interview:
https://broadview.org/why-white-evangelical-voters-back-trump/

100% this. Dominion theology and evangelicals are some scary crap. If you think they need trump to believe just like they don’t be able to use him for their agenda, then you need to do some research .

[Anonymous]

I dont know what he believes but I know for a fact that there are plenty of people that believe in god and Jesus and are immoral so I don’t know why it’s so hard to believe that he is a “Christian” by definition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please stop calling him an atheist. It's such an offensive insinuation, just because you think he's immoral. He's a Christian. He identifies as a Christian. If you're a Christian and that bothers you, then challenge him when it comes to matters of your faith. But don't lump Trump in with atheists, just because you don't like him. Many of us have far, far better values and ethics.

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[Anonymous]

Pretty sure Trump isn't smart enough to be an atheist. He will believe whatever suits his psychotic, narcissistic agenda.