11 year old Black girl arrested for falsely stealing a car

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This a child and they are looking for a woman. They didn’t have to handcuff her and keep her standing on the sidewalk for everyone to see. She will be traumatized.

This is a not uncommon experience for Black children unfortunately.

Experiments, including one by the APA, have shown that White people often think Black children are much older than they really are. Even if the child is small for their age and dressed in an age appropriate manner. Add in racial bias by cops and you have a situation like this.

It’s not “racial bias by cops” if the description is a black female in a pink coat and they detain someone found nearby who is a black female in a pink coat for questioning. Not saying the cops (or anyone else) are perfect but in this case it’s hard to see what they did wrong. Unfortunately kids that age really are stealing cars. That’s what you should have a problem with, not the cops trying to stop it.

How do you get an 11 year old confused with a grown woman? Having a pink jacket was the only thing the suspect and the girl had in common. Are you saying that any middle schooler who has a growth spurt should be automatically assumed to be a car thief because “kids that age really are stealing cars”? I’ve never heard of 11 year olds stealing cars in droves.

This isn’t policing, it’s harassment. This family will have a nice lawsuit from this. You don’t go around handcuffing kids because of lazy policing.

It's been happening right here for the past several years! Wow. The kids go out and "get free cars" for fun. Kia Hyundai challenge, brought to you by tiktok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This a child and they are looking for a woman. They didn’t have to handcuff her and keep her standing on the sidewalk for everyone to see. She will be traumatized.

This is a not uncommon experience for Black children unfortunately.

Experiments, including one by the APA, have shown that White people often think Black children are much older than they really are. Even if the child is small for their age and dressed in an age appropriate manner. Add in racial bias by cops and you have a situation like this.

It’s not “racial bias by cops” if the description is a black female in a pink coat and they detain someone found nearby who is a black female in a pink coat for questioning. Not saying the cops (or anyone else) are perfect but in this case it’s hard to see what they did wrong. Unfortunately kids that age really are stealing cars. That’s what you should have a problem with, not the cops trying to stop it.

How do you get an 11 year old confused with a grown woman? Having a pink jacket was the only thing the suspect and the girl had in common. Are you saying that any middle schooler who has a growth spurt should be automatically assumed to be a car thief because “kids that age really are stealing cars”? I’ve never heard of 11 year olds stealing cars in droves.

This isn’t policing, it’s harassment. This family will have a nice lawsuit from this. You don’t go around handcuffing kids because of lazy policing.

It's been happening right here for the past several years! Wow. The kids go out and "get free cars" for fun. Kia Hyundai challenge, brought to you by tiktok.

Okay, but this child, who was walking home from school with her cousin, wearing a backpack, and noteably not driving a stolen Kia, did not steal a car. This child was put in handcuffs despite the fact that the police had a photo of the actual criminal, an adult, with a different hairstyle, a different coat, and a wildly different age.

At what point do we wonder if this white cop just got off on putting a Black girl in handcuffs, while warning her cousin to stop filming and go away?

[Anonymous]

The officer can absolutely stop the girl to question her.

He shouldn't have put her in handcuffs.

Neither officer should have told the other girl to stop recording.

He should have used the evidence-based procedural justice approach that incorporates:

Respect: Treating people with dignity and respect
Voice: Giving people a chance to be heard
Neutrality: Making decisions in an unbiased way
Trustworthy motives: Ensuring that decisions are made with good intentions

That's what the cops should get disciplined for. They could have just told the girl she matched the description of someone who stole a car, and tell her they need to ask a few questions. Where are you walking to? Where are you coming from? And so on. And when her story doesn't leave room to still potentially be the suspect, they need to apologize for taking her time, thank her, and let her go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This a child and they are looking for a woman. They didn’t have to handcuff her and keep her standing on the sidewalk for everyone to see. She will be traumatized.

This is a not uncommon experience for Black children unfortunately.

Experiments, including one by the APA, have shown that White people often think Black children are much older than they really are. Even if the child is small for their age and dressed in an age appropriate manner. Add in racial bias by cops and you have a situation like this.

It’s not “racial bias by cops” if the description is a black female in a pink coat and they detain someone found nearby who is a black female in a pink coat for questioning. Not saying the cops (or anyone else) are perfect but in this case it’s hard to see what they did wrong. Unfortunately kids that age really are stealing cars. That’s what you should have a problem with, not the cops trying to stop it.

How do you get an 11 year old confused with a grown woman? Having a pink jacket was the only thing the suspect and the girl had in common. Are you saying that any middle schooler who has a growth spurt should be automatically assumed to be a car thief because “kids that age really are stealing cars”? I’ve never heard of 11 year olds stealing cars in droves.

This isn’t policing, it’s harassment. This family will have a nice lawsuit from this. You don’t go around handcuffing kids because of lazy policing.

It's been happening right here for the past several years! Wow. The kids go out and "get free cars" for fun. Kia Hyundai challenge, brought to you by tiktok.

Okay, but this child, who was walking home from school with her cousin, wearing a backpack, and noteably not driving a stolen Kia, did not steal a car. This child was put in handcuffs despite the fact that the police had a photo of the actual criminal, an adult, with a different hairstyle, a different coat, and a wildly different age.

At what point do we wonder if this white cop just got off on putting a Black girl in handcuffs, while warning her cousin to stop filming and go away?

You can wonder whatever you want, anonymously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This a child and they are looking for a woman. They didn’t have to handcuff her and keep her standing on the sidewalk for everyone to see. She will be traumatized.

This is a not uncommon experience for Black children unfortunately.

Experiments, including one by the APA, have shown that White people often think Black children are much older than they really are. Even if the child is small for their age and dressed in an age appropriate manner. Add in racial bias by cops and you have a situation like this.

It’s not “racial bias by cops” if the description is a black female in a pink coat and they detain someone found nearby who is a black female in a pink coat for questioning. Not saying the cops (or anyone else) are perfect but in this case it’s hard to see what they did wrong. Unfortunately kids that age really are stealing cars. That’s what you should have a problem with, not the cops trying to stop it.

How do you get an 11 year old confused with a grown woman? Having a pink jacket was the only thing the suspect and the girl had in common. Are you saying that any middle schooler who has a growth spurt should be automatically assumed to be a car thief because “kids that age really are stealing cars”? I’ve never heard of 11 year olds stealing cars in droves.

This isn’t policing, it’s harassment. This family will have a nice lawsuit from this. You don’t go around handcuffing kids because of lazy policing.

It's been happening right here for the past several years! Wow. The kids go out and "get free cars" for fun. Kia Hyundai challenge, brought to you by tiktok.

Okay, but this child, who was walking home from school with her cousin, wearing a backpack, and noteably not driving a stolen Kia, did not steal a car. This child was put in handcuffs despite the fact that the police had a photo of the actual criminal, an adult, with a different hairstyle, a different coat, and a wildly different age.

At what point do we wonder if this white cop just got off on putting a Black girl in handcuffs, while warning her cousin to stop filming and go away?

The teen and preteen carjackers carry their backpacks with them. So do the adult carjackers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This a child and they are looking for a woman. They didn’t have to handcuff her and keep her standing on the sidewalk for everyone to see. She will be traumatized.

This is a not uncommon experience for Black children unfortunately.

Experiments, including one by the APA, have shown that White people often think Black children are much older than they really are. Even if the child is small for their age and dressed in an age appropriate manner. Add in racial bias by cops and you have a situation like this.

It’s not “racial bias by cops” if the description is a black female in a pink coat and they detain someone found nearby who is a black female in a pink coat for questioning. Not saying the cops (or anyone else) are perfect but in this case it’s hard to see what they did wrong. Unfortunately kids that age really are stealing cars. That’s what you should have a problem with, not the cops trying to stop it.

How do you get an 11 year old confused with a grown woman? Having a pink jacket was the only thing the suspect and the girl had in common. Are you saying that any middle schooler who has a growth spurt should be automatically assumed to be a car thief because “kids that age really are stealing cars”? I’ve never heard of 11 year olds stealing cars in droves.

This isn’t policing, it’s harassment. This family will have a nice lawsuit from this. You don’t go around handcuffing kids because of lazy policing.

It's been happening right here for the past several years! Wow. The kids go out and "get free cars" for fun. Kia Hyundai challenge, brought to you by tiktok.

Okay, but this child, who was walking home from school with her cousin, wearing a backpack, and noteably not driving a stolen Kia, did not steal a car. This child was put in handcuffs despite the fact that the police had a photo of the actual criminal, an adult, with a different hairstyle, a different coat, and a wildly different age.

At what point do we wonder if this white cop just got off on putting a Black girl in handcuffs, while warning her cousin to stop filming and go away?

I also responded below about procedural justice. I'm not excusing the cops' behavior. I'm just saying there are TONS of very young kids stealing cars. Over and over and over, and getting released to their parents. Nothing happens to them, so they keep doing it. It's fun.

[Anonymous]

I just saw the full video. The male cop is even worse. He prevents her from calling her parents.


“You’re going to lie and tell me that’s not you?”
(It’s clearly an adult woman in the picture)

“Listen it is what it is, if you’re honest it’ll make it easy”.

Just rude, condescending, and disgusting behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just saw the full video. The male cop is even worse. He prevents her from calling her parents.


“You’re going to lie and tell me that’s not you?”
(It’s clearly an adult woman in the picture)

“Listen it is what it is, if you’re honest it’ll make it easy”.

Just rude, condescending, and disgusting behavior.

Hopefully their behavior costs them their jobs. As much as they are getting support now, that usually flips as stories become national

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just saw the full video. The male cop is even worse. He prevents her from calling her parents.


“You’re going to lie and tell me that’s not you?”
(It’s clearly an adult woman in the picture)

“Listen it is what it is, if you’re honest it’ll make it easy”.

Just rude, condescending, and disgusting behavior.

Hopefully their behavior costs them their jobs. As much as they are getting support now, that usually flips as stories become national

Knowing how most police departments are, they’ll probably get a promotion this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The officer can absolutely stop the girl to question her.

He shouldn't have put her in handcuffs.

Neither officer should have told the other girl to stop recording.

He should have used the evidence-based procedural justice approach that incorporates:

Respect: Treating people with dignity and respect
Voice: Giving people a chance to be heard
Neutrality: Making decisions in an unbiased way
Trustworthy motives: Ensuring that decisions are made with good intentions

That's what the cops should get disciplined for. They could have just told the girl she matched the description of someone who stole a car, and tell her they need to ask a few questions. Where are you walking to? Where are you coming from? And so on. And when her story doesn't leave room to still potentially be the suspect, they need to apologize for taking her time, thank her, and let her go.

+1

I don’t know why the cops couldn’t just have done this. But went a further step and had the kids call their parents immediately when they knew they were just kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The officer can absolutely stop the girl to question her.

He shouldn't have put her in handcuffs.

Neither officer should have told the other girl to stop recording.

He should have used the evidence-based procedural justice approach that incorporates:

Respect: Treating people with dignity and respect
Voice: Giving people a chance to be heard
Neutrality: Making decisions in an unbiased way
Trustworthy motives: Ensuring that decisions are made with good intentions

That's what the cops should get disciplined for. They could have just told the girl she matched the description of someone who stole a car, and tell her they need to ask a few questions. Where are you walking to? Where are you coming from? And so on. And when her story doesn't leave room to still potentially be the suspect, they need to apologize for taking her time, thank her, and let her go.

Training is obviously a problem here. American law enforcement, unlike basically every other developed nation, is under-educated and operate under force-first SOPs.

Even within the context of US law enforcement, this officer is beyond the pale. From start to finish, he treats these children with contempt and uses more force than is necessary. I hope he's fired.

[Anonymous]

If the adults just did better...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the adults just did better...

The adults of these two children have taught them very well, IMO. The cousin calmly filming and not leaving her side and the girl in cuffs calmly being handcuffs and not yelling and screaming. I’ve seen adults 3 times their age act far less mature.

Kudos to these kids in such a traumatizing situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The officer's comments afterwards are disgusting. "You all look alike!" GTFO.

Wait, he didn’t actually say that did he? I don’t want to watch the video just yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just saw the full video. The male cop is even worse. He prevents her from calling her parents.


“You’re going to lie and tell me that’s not you?”
(It’s clearly an adult woman in the picture)

“Listen it is what it is, if you’re honest it’ll make it easy”.

Just rude, condescending, and disgusting behavior.

Hopefully their behavior costs them their jobs. As much as they are getting support now, that usually flips as stories become national

I just don’t understand how some of the posters here can defend this. This is like that incident where they put a 5 (maybe she was 7?)year old girl in handcuffs and took her to the police station without calling the parents.