No, one group thinks that supernatural forces are real. The other doesn’t. |
DP. I’m curious what you mean by “objective evidence”. |
The name people give their supernatural God is irrelevant. Atheists are saying that no supernatural God exists - that there is no supernatural sphere. It doesn't matter what name believers give their god. |
What happened to all the people who lived the thousands and thousands of years before Jesus? Your speech above is crazy. |
Not meaning to be pedantic, but most atheists say there is no evidence for the supernatural and thus no reason to believe in one, as is the logical standard for anything other than a god presupposition. |
Former Catholic, here. I don't remember it ever coming up in church what happened to people who died before Jesus came around. We just never thought about them. |
And you don't think that's odd? You don't think about genealogy or genetics? I'm descended from people of 6 or 7 different religions (or no religion) just in the past 200 years. |
Atheism is a religion too, they are as protective of their beliefs as any other religion and more skeptic of authenticity of other religions as any other religion. |
I'm sorry if anyone finds it offensive but if there is a God, its the same one we all call by different names and think we are the real chosen ones. We can call it God, Allah, Baghwan or whatever but that doesn't make us more special than others. Sooner we accept it, better off we'll be. Live and let live, let people pray or not pray however they prefer. |
This is 100 percent right. Just look at the comments on this thread. Name-calling, open condescension, contempt, intolerance, a lack of basic respect and civility — and it’s not from the “religious” posters. |
Humans need to focus on interfaith and interracial efforts to avoid inbreeding or worse extinction. |
Really? The religious ones are sending us to a lake of fire for eternity. That's pretty aggressive. |
Why do atheists come here? Maybe to play. |
The bible does not explicitly say, but I do know that God is absolutely just and righteous. It says in the bible we are given a conscience, so that we know without even hearing or reading the law we instinctively understand that murder is wrong. It also says “God winked” at their sins in past times because they were ignorant. It may be God will judge those people according to their conscience, or he may have sent Jesus to those who had died prior to give them a chance. I do not know other than God will be 100% just about it. We do know that the people in Noah’s time were utterly evil, so much so God wiped them all out. Even had Jesus appeared then, they would have rejected him, just as they rejected Methusaleh and Noah who for 120 years preached to them to repent. |
I was raised Catholic — I am still a Christian but not a Catholic anymore. I agree with this comment — I never remember a single Catholic priest ever addressing this extremely basic question. The Christian answer is that people in the Old Testament were saved the same way that people in the New Testament were — through faith in God. It’s not really that complicated but the Catholic Church does a good job of not even explaining the basics to its members. |