Closing the Education Department

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whatever did we do before the big federal bureaucracy called the Dept. of Education?

We were all walking around dumb and uneducated right?

Actually yes. Many were walking around very much uneducated and illiterate. I don’t know about dumb because uneducated does not equate to dumb. There are a lot of educated dummies, as indicated by this thread alone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:By every metric American kids have fallen far behind their peers around the world since the ED was created. From an educational perspective it’s been an unmitigated disaster. It’s been great for the unions though.

Sounds like someone ought to teach them that correlation does not equal causation.

Yup.
We’ve also gotten drastically sicker and fatter since the government started giving us dietary guidelines, but that doesn’t mean they caused the problem.

Lack of movement. A bunch of couch potatoes watching Netflix is what put those extra thirty pounds on that belly, not the federal government.

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Anonymous wrote:They control federal student aid. If they go away- a lot of kids are not going to college

This. At some point folks will become aware that the Dept of Ed contains the 5th largest lending bank in the US. Shutting it down, like everything else Trump holds out as an easy and obvious fix to his slavering base (who are an absolute minority of Americans), is not going to be a straightforward project.

So in other words, shutting off the taps for unlimited money to fund outrageous college tuition might actually do tremendous amounts of work at tackling the issue, because if students can't get money schools will have to stop increasing prices and will have to actually cut tuition.

Sounds like a big win to me.

Now you get it.
It's the same principle as with healthcare. They can charge thousands for an x-ray because that's what Medicare pays out. They can charge hundreds of thousands for a college education because the DOE will lend it. In sane nations the prices of these things are transparent and much lower.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Medicare and Medicaid prices are negotiated prices and the prices are transparent the government typically pay doctors less than what insurance companies would payout, and those prices are also negotiated for the most part. In fact, before you obtain medical care, you can ask the hospital or doctors the cost of the procedure before and make the decision of should you or should you not obtain the medical treatment. It is as transparent as you want to make it.

As for college education, that’s pretty much transparent as well. When I receive my invoice for DC’s school, I know how much is for tuition, room, board, fees, health,, legal, etc. bits very much transparent and has very little to do with the federal DOE. In fact, I only use DOE to do the FAFSA. Are you people advocating getting rid of financial aid, so that only the wealthy can attain education?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever did we do before the big federal bureaucracy called the Dept. of Education?

We were all walking around dumb and uneducated right?

Actually yes. Many were walking around very much uneducated and illiterate. I don’t know about dumb because uneducated does not equate to dumb. There are a lot of educated dummies, as indicated by this thread alone.

However did Harvard and Yale manage to find any qualified applicants prior to the existence of this glorious Department of Education? (gasp)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Much like HHS, if Ed disappeared tomorrow no one would notice.

Oh good! I hope you and yours aren't applying for college loans any time soon!

There are many ways to get college loans. You don’t need a federal bureaucracy to do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Much like HHS, if Ed disappeared tomorrow no one would notice.

Oh good! I hope you and yours aren't applying for college loans any time soon!

There are many ways to get college loans. You don’t need a federal bureaucracy to do it.

Right, because for-profit lenders offer such good deals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Research on what works, grants to implement effective programs

Yeah, that’s why things are improving so much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Research on what works, grants to implement effective programs

Do you mean Lucy Calkins, for example?

No, more like the phonics programs that are being implemented to correct outdated methods.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever did we do before the big federal bureaucracy called the Dept. of Education?

We were all walking around dumb and uneducated right?

Actually yes. Many were walking around very much uneducated and illiterate. I don’t know about dumb because uneducated does not equate to dumb. There are a lot of educated dummies, as indicated by this thread alone.

However did Harvard and Yale manage to find any qualified applicants prior to the existence of this glorious Department of Education? (gasp)

Only wealthy people were educated enough to attend. Is that what you want in modern America?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:By every metric American kids have fallen far behind their peers around the world since the ED was created. From an educational perspective it’s been an unmitigated disaster. It’s been great for the unions though.

+1. The DOE was yet another failure of the Carter administration in the '70s. Before that, we had the Dept of HEW (Health, Education and Welfare.)

This is going on 50 years. Who with a straight face can say that the quality of any level of education in this country has improved in that time?

It's just more bureaucracy. Never a good thing.

You all realize the schools are funded and curricula established at the local level, right?

DOE sets national minimum standards.

The bigger issue is the transfer of public monies to vouchers that are used for private and religious schools, diluting the money available for the public schools, and particularly those who are least able to afford or pursue alternatives.

Eliminating DOE is just another step in the conservatives' plan to kill public education.

One more reason to abolish the DOE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever did we do before the big federal bureaucracy called the Dept. of Education?

We were all walking around dumb and uneducated right?

Yeah, actually. Do you know how few people had a k-12 education before universal (communist!!) public education? Probably 90% of MAGA’s redneck Scots Irish ancestors didn’t get through 8th grade.

Oh come on. Elite Harvard grad's great-greats forced universal public education on those Scots Irish who didn't want it because every kid was supposed to be able to read the Bible in the UU, Anglican, and Congregationalist circles. It was the evil Presbyterians from Scotland and Catholics from Ireland who didn't see the point of all kids reading.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever did we do before the big federal bureaucracy called the Dept. of Education?

We were all walking around dumb and uneducated right?

Actually yes. Many were walking around very much uneducated and illiterate. I don’t know about dumb because uneducated does not equate to dumb. There are a lot of educated dummies, as indicated by this thread alone.

However did Harvard and Yale manage to find any qualified applicants prior to the existence of this glorious Department of Education? (gasp)

Because the Puritans were big on universal education so every kid could read the Bible for themselves. Without the Puritans public education would really not be a thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Research on what works, grants to implement effective programs

Do you mean Lucy Calkins, for example?

No, more like the phonics programs that are being implemented to correct outdated methods.

Oh come on, phonics has repeatedly been killed for political reasons before the NAACP finally decided to hop on the bandwagon and make it happen, instead of it being right-coded like it has been so many times before. It had nothing to do with the DOE. I'll even bring the receipts.

https://hechingerreport.org/naacp-targets-a-new-civil-rights-issue-reading/

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whatever did we do before the big federal bureaucracy called the Dept. of Education?

We were all walking around dumb and uneducated right?

Actually yes. Many were walking around very much uneducated and illiterate. I don’t know about dumb because uneducated does not equate to dumb. There are a lot of educated dummies, as indicated by this thread alone.

However did Harvard and Yale manage to find any qualified applicants prior to the existence of this glorious Department of Education? (gasp)

Only wealthy people were educated enough to attend. Is that what you want in modern America?

+1 They were mostly white males, too.