Closing the Education Department

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By every metric American kids have fallen far behind their peers around the world since the ED was created. From an educational perspective it’s been an unmitigated disaster. It’s been great for the unions though.

The federal government first had an agency concerned with education in the mid-19th century. The Department of Education was split off from the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare under President Carter.

When, exactly, do you think the US had a good education system? Did you attend public schools? How were they?

[Anonymous]

ED gives grants to fund asinine concepts like common core math. No wonder children in the US are so far behind their peers in the developed world in math education and performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By every metric American kids have fallen far behind their peers around the world since the ED was created. From an educational perspective it’s been an unmitigated disaster. It’s been great for the unions though.

+1. The DOE was yet another failure of the Carter administration in the '70s. Before that, we had the Dept of HEW (Health, Education and Welfare.)

This is going on 50 years. Who with a straight face can say that the quality of any level of education in this country has improved in that time?

It's just more bureaucracy. Never a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Shutting it down altogether is just read meat for the yokels and rubes. The work will simply be shifted elsewhere. It’ll be a Pyrrhic victory for the GOP at best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Research on what works, grants to implement effective programs

I have a friend who has worked at the Education Dept for many years working on grants. I can’t be more specific bc I don’t want to out them. They’ve told me for years essentially how incompetent their non- political bosses are and how much of a waste of taxpayer money their job entails, particularly under this administration. They say under this administration they have more money their required to give away in grants than the schools who get the money even know what to legitimately do with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shutting it down altogether is just read meat for the yokels and rubes. The work will simply be shifted elsewhere. It’ll be a Pyrrhic victory for the GOP at best.

While I think this is likely, a better question is should the work that is being done be shifted elsewhere (other than perhaps to the states)? Is it actually useful work, or is it just a way to pay people to do nothing like so much of our education establishment (not including teachers, at all).

[Anonymous]

It has always been a bad faith talking point. Anyone advocating eliminating the Department of Education is a fraud. They are too chickenshit to name the specific programs they would end and how much each state, school district, university, community college, vocational school, etc. depend on them. The problems in public education are mostly state and local disparities under the control of state and local governments. The federal government gives money to help states and schools with minimal requirements for the funds. The department’s total budget is a tiny portion of the federal budget. There literally is no good reason for anyone to support elimination of the Dept of Ed. If anyone supports it, you are justified in disregarding their opinion on everything because they are not a serious person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By every metric American kids have fallen far behind their peers around the world since the ED was created. From an educational perspective it’s been an unmitigated disaster. It’s been great for the unions though.

+1. The DOE was yet another failure of the Carter administration in the '70s. Before that, we had the Dept of HEW (Health, Education and Welfare.)

This is going on 50 years. Who with a straight face can say that the quality of any level of education in this country has improved in that time?

It's just more bureaucracy. Never a good thing.

You all realize the schools are funded and curricula established at the local level, right?

DOE sets national minimum standards.

The bigger issue is the transfer of public monies to vouchers that are used for private and religious schools, diluting the money available for the public schools, and particularly those who are least able to afford or pursue alternatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By every metric American kids have fallen far behind their peers around the world since the ED was created. From an educational perspective it’s been an unmitigated disaster. It’s been great for the unions though.

+1. The DOE was yet another failure of the Carter administration in the '70s. Before that, we had the Dept of HEW (Health, Education and Welfare.)

This is going on 50 years. Who with a straight face can say that the quality of any level of education in this country has improved in that time?

It's just more bureaucracy. Never a good thing.

You all realize the schools are funded and curricula established at the local level, right?

DOE sets national minimum standards.

The bigger issue is the transfer of public monies to vouchers that are used for private and religious schools, diluting the money available for the public schools, and particularly those who are least able to afford or pursue alternatives.

Eliminating DOE is just another step in the conservatives' plan to kill public education.

[Anonymous]

They control federal student aid. If they go away- a lot of kids are not going to college

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They control federal student aid. If they go away- a lot of kids are not going to college

Before the ED was created a middle class family could send their kid to a flagship state school without federal “aid.” Let’s get back to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They control federal student aid. If they go away- a lot of kids are not going to college

Before the ED was created a middle class family could send their kid to a flagship state school without federal “aid.” Let’s get back to that.

DP. As much as I'd love this, how exactly do you not just get rid of all the feds at the ED, but also the intense level of bureaucracy at you average university (sports, academic, and otherwise)? Plus you're probably getting rid of nice student and rec centers.

That's a lot more white collar jobs being lost and nice campus amenities being lost than most people are willing to stomach. I think it'd be easier to found new cheap schools.

[Anonymous]

Fantasy land people.
*Getting rid of aid won't make college suddenly cheaper.
*Getting rid of national minimum standards won't force local districts to do more with curriculum.
*Common core was a godsend for students who transferred between school districts/states.
* The ED provides a lot of grant money that no sate is going to want to do without. What are they going to do? Raise taxes in Florida? Unlikely.

MAGA fever dream.

[Anonymous]

I feel like this devaluation of education is because women have really excelled at it. Men can’t handle it so they push to discredit it.

[Anonymous]

For all the people who think Trump has nothing to do with Project 2025, this proposal is straight out of Project 2025.