Men’s D1 College Soccer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the better college programs rely heavily on international players anyway. This year at UMd, for example, 9 of the usual starting lineup is from outside the US. it’s quite a telling indictment of youth development in the US.

+1. We went to the Cornell v. Darmouth game recently and 9 of 11 Dartmouth starters were non-U.S. players. Ridiculous.

If internationals are willing to spend 4 years in Hanover, NH at a school that offers no scholarships, then there is little hope for homegrown US players.

[Anonymous]

Shouldn't schools just try to recruit the best players?

Homegrown players just are not that great. So few top athletes play men's soccer in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't schools just try to recruit the best players?

Homegrown players just are not that great. So few top athletes play men's soccer in the US.

Athletes aren't the best soccer players
Soccer players are the best soccer players

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the better college programs rely heavily on international players anyway. This year at UMd, for example, 9 of the usual starting lineup is from outside the US. it’s quite a telling indictment of youth development in the US.

+1. We went to the Cornell v. Darmouth game recently and 9 of 11 Dartmouth starters were non-U.S. players. Ridiculous.

If internationals are willing to spend 4 years in Hanover, NH at a school that offers no scholarships, then there is little hope for homegrown US players.

It’s an Ivy League. European wealthy parents have been using sports—-tennis, squash, soccer, etc for years to get their kids a leg up in admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't schools just try to recruit the best players?

Homegrown players just are not that great. So few top athletes play men's soccer in the US.

Athletes aren't the best soccer players
Soccer players are the best soccer players

If the best American basketball guards and football receivers, running backs, and defensive backs grew up playing soccer, the US would be MUCH better at soccer!
The best male athletes of that general body size in most of the rest of the world play soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't schools just try to recruit the best players?

Homegrown players just are not that great. So few top athletes play men's soccer in the US.

Athletes aren't the best soccer players
Soccer players are the best soccer players

If the best American basketball guards and football receivers, running backs, and defensive backs grew up playing soccer, the US would be MUCH better at soccer!
The best male athletes of that general body size in most of the rest of the world play soccer.

In terms of safety and fitness--there is no match for soccer.

You can be freak size and get head blows constantly playing football. Hockey is a boxing ring. Basketball you need to be freak size.

Soccer dudes have the best bodies and best all-around fitness. A pro center mid runs 10 miles+ per game---they have tracked this.

A 5'10"-6'1" male is perfect soccer size (non-keep).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the better college programs rely heavily on international players anyway. This year at UMd, for example, 9 of the usual starting lineup is from outside the US. it’s quite a telling indictment of youth development in the US.

+1. We went to the Cornell v. Darmouth game recently and 9 of 11 Dartmouth starters were non-U.S. players. Ridiculous.

If internationals are willing to spend 4 years in Hanover, NH at a school that offers no scholarships, then there is little hope for homegrown US players.

Not a lawyer but it will be interesting to see if college sports are counted as work then will those on student visas will be forced to major in sports related fields or they can't "work"/play college sports in the US. Seems student visas only let you work in your field.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't schools just try to recruit the best players?

Homegrown players just are not that great. So few top athletes play men's soccer in the US.

Athletes aren't the best soccer players
Soccer players are the best soccer players

If the best American basketball guards and football receivers, running backs, and defensive backs grew up playing soccer, the US would be MUCH better at soccer!
The best male athletes of that general body size in most of the rest of the world play soccer.

So you are saying black athletes?

Just come out and say it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the better college programs rely heavily on international players anyway. This year at UMd, for example, 9 of the usual starting lineup is from outside the US. it’s quite a telling indictment of youth development in the US.

+1. We went to the Cornell v. Darmouth game recently and 9 of 11 Dartmouth starters were non-U.S. players. Ridiculous.

If internationals are willing to spend 4 years in Hanover, NH at a school that offers no scholarships, then there is little hope for homegrown US players.

Not a lawyer but it will be interesting to see if college sports are counted as work then will those on student visas will be forced to major in sports related fields or they can't "work"/play college sports in the US. Seems student visas only let you work in your field.

That would be a great legal issue to explore. I was an int’l student and could work up to 20 hours a week for the school (eg, library, admin, etc.) during the school year and then up to 1 year after grad in my field.

But the issue of whether they are considered an employee under immigration law is prob still an open question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't schools just try to recruit the best players?

Homegrown players just are not that great. So few top athletes play men's soccer in the US.

Athletes aren't the best soccer players
Soccer players are the best soccer players

If the best American basketball guards and football receivers, running backs, and defensive backs grew up playing soccer, the US would be MUCH better at soccer!
The best male athletes of that general body size in most of the rest of the world play soccer.

Why would football receivers or running backs be better at soccer?
What soccer skills do they exhibit

[Anonymous]

https://x.com/ProspectsUsmnt/status/1849972556826112220

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't schools just try to recruit the best players?

Homegrown players just are not that great. So few top athletes play men's soccer in the US.

Athletes aren't the best soccer players
Soccer players are the best soccer players

If the best American basketball guards and football receivers, running backs, and defensive backs grew up playing soccer, the US would be MUCH better at soccer!
The best male athletes of that general body size in most of the rest of the world play soccer.

So you are saying black athletes?

Just come out and say it

I was actually first thinking about Christian McCaffrey. Most people know his dad was an NFL player (his brother plays in the NFL as a WR for Washington now too). Far fewer know that his mom was a great soccer player at Stanford. If the McCaffrey kids had picked mom's sport rather than dad's, we might be in better shape!

You are right that we would likely see more top black and Latinx players in the US if the youth system was more accessible in cities. We'd also see better socioeconomic diversity if the youth system was less costly. The class divide locally is what is most visible at the youth level. It is getting crazy. Do kids really need such high-end uniforms and warmups?

It is noteworthy that high level soccer in the US and abroad, especially in top European leagues, is far less white than it was decades ago. There has been a demographic shift with more black and Latinx players that "fans" in some places in Europe have continued to struggle with racism wise.

Women's soccer, which the US has been far better at, has some great kids of football and basketball players at its highest level now! Washington State and now the Spirit have Trinity Rodman (People know Dennis but her brother was also a mid-level college basketball player), Sophia Smith's dad played basketball at Wyoming, and she was college teammates with the daughters of 2 NFL players at Stanford (one of whom plays professionally in England).

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Anonymous wrote:https://x.com/ProspectsUsmnt/status/1849972556826112220

Wow that is actually huge news, if true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't schools just try to recruit the best players?

Homegrown players just are not that great. So few top athletes play men's soccer in the US.

Athletes aren't the best soccer players
Soccer players are the best soccer players

If the best American basketball guards and football receivers, running backs, and defensive backs grew up playing soccer, the US would be MUCH better at soccer!
The best male athletes of that general body size in most of the rest of the world play soccer.

Why would football receivers or running backs be better at soccer?
What soccer skills do they exhibit

They say Tyler Adams has the speed and defensive instincts of an elite nfl corner back

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://x.com/ProspectsUsmnt/status/1849972556826112220

Wow that is actually huge news, if true.

So if they make college soccer more pro like (read the tweet!) maybe some of these other universities get interested too.