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Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

That would work, perhaps, if the discussion was about two people looking to move, one into more density and one into less. You're telling that second person to leave their home, with all the life invested there, if they don't like your solution to accommodating the first, who plans to move from their current abode anyway.

Nobody is telling anyone to move.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

What are you blathering on about? There's many people asking for more schools and school funding ballot initiatives are usually successful. Nobody ever wants to fund risk management like sewer systems. That's why those costs are often pushed onto developers.

The criticisms are all valid and true. It seems absurd to pretend that they don't exist. Why not just address them?

Huh well, why over on the schools board are they talk about how the high school has 3000 kids because NIMBYs blocked building a new one? You are one and the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

None of this is true for Arlington. There were arguments about the high school, but not because people didn’t want it in their backyard but because they wanted a school that was equivalent to the existing high schools like W-L, Yorktown and Wakefield and the County, per usual, wouldn’t do that. They forced all these other 1/2 a$$ options on people. I’d love to hear about the preschool and solar power that Arlington NIMBYs scrapped. I’ve lived here over twenty years.

lol pathetic defense of blocking the HS. I bet you $10000 the same people who blocked the HS are now whining about not having enough school capacity for growth.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

None of this is true for Arlington. There were arguments about the high school, but not because people didn’t want it in their backyard but because they wanted a school that was equivalent to the existing high schools like W-L, Yorktown and Wakefield and the County, per usual, wouldn’t do that. They forced all these other 1/2 a$$ options on people. I’d love to hear about the preschool and solar power that Arlington NIMBYs scrapped. I’ve lived here over twenty years.

lol pathetic defense of blocking the HS. I bet you $10000 the same people who blocked the HS are now whining about not having enough school capacity for growth.

Pathetic defense? You must be a delusional YIMBY renter without kids. Because you would care if your kid was zoned for a high school with a small turf field on the roof and no swimming pool or theater while kids at the other high schools have all of those things. I have no dog in this fight. I am a parent of high school student but I wouldn’t send them to APS. The County and their schools suck.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

None of this is true for Arlington. There were arguments about the high school, but not because people didn’t want it in their backyard but because they wanted a school that was equivalent to the existing high schools like W-L, Yorktown and Wakefield and the County, per usual, wouldn’t do that. They forced all these other 1/2 a$$ options on people. I’d love to hear about the preschool and solar power that Arlington NIMBYs scrapped. I’ve lived here over twenty years.

lol pathetic defense of blocking the HS. I bet you $10000 the same people who blocked the HS are now whining about not having enough school capacity for growth.

Pathetic defense? You must be a delusional YIMBY renter without kids. Because you would care if your kid was zoned for a high school with a small turf field on the roof and no swimming pool or theater while kids at the other high schools have all of those things. I have no dog in this fight. I am a parent of high school student but I wouldn’t send them to APS. The County and their schools suck.

Catch up. The NIMBYs blocked the a new APS HS (and now whine that the schools are too crowded for more housing.)

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Anonymous wrote:Or maybe just maybe the YIMBYs could propose infrasture improvements along with their development proposals instead of pretending that infrastructure doesn't matter.

Yeah and guess who also constantly disrupts infrastructure development … NIMBYS. Country is literally falling apart.

How do NIMBYs disrupt infrastructure? I truly want to know. With real examples.

https://haas.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/WP311.pdf

https://ases.org/nimby/

https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/2021-4-fall/feature/nimby-threat-renewable-energy?amp

https://www.pedbikeinfo.org/cms/downloads/OTH.OvercomingOppositiontoSidewalkConstruction.pdf

https://www.tysonsreporter.com/2021/11/02/neighbors-sign-petition-opposing-planned-vienna-sidewalk-project/

and my personal favorite! NIMBYs against preschools.

https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/ne-neighbors-for-responsible-890379994

Sorry. I should have more specific. I meant Arlington. I thought that was obvious. Since you know, we are talking about Arlington.

I did a quick google search and found this:
On Election Day, a majority of Arlingtonians approved six bond measures, worth $510 million, that will fund a variety of projects throughout the county.

The biggest expenses for the next 10 years include upgrades to its Water Pollution Control Plant, where local sewage goes, and funding to build a new Arlington Career Center campus.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

None of this is true for Arlington. There were arguments about the high school, but not because people didn’t want it in their backyard but because they wanted a school that was equivalent to the existing high schools like W-L, Yorktown and Wakefield and the County, per usual, wouldn’t do that. They forced all these other 1/2 a$$ options on people. I’d love to hear about the preschool and solar power that Arlington NIMBYs scrapped. I’ve lived here over twenty years.

lol pathetic defense of blocking the HS. I bet you $10000 the same people who blocked the HS are now whining about not having enough school capacity for growth.

Pathetic defense? You must be a delusional YIMBY renter without kids. Because you would care if your kid was zoned for a high school with a small turf field on the roof and no swimming pool or theater while kids at the other high schools have all of those things. I have no dog in this fight. I am a parent of high school student but I wouldn’t send them to APS. The County and their schools suck.

Catch up. The NIMBYs blocked the a new APS HS (and now whine that the schools are too crowded for more housing.)

It’s almost like you are purposely obtuse. I just explained why it was blocked. It’s YIMBY’s like you who can’t make a coherent argument that got us into this mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

None of this is true for Arlington. There were arguments about the high school, but not because people didn’t want it in their backyard but because they wanted a school that was equivalent to the existing high schools like W-L, Yorktown and Wakefield and the County, per usual, wouldn’t do that. They forced all these other 1/2 a$$ options on people. I’d love to hear about the preschool and solar power that Arlington NIMBYs scrapped. I’ve lived here over twenty years.

lol pathetic defense of blocking the HS. I bet you $10000 the same people who blocked the HS are now whining about not having enough school capacity for growth.

Pathetic defense? You must be a delusional YIMBY renter without kids. Because you would care if your kid was zoned for a high school with a small turf field on the roof and no swimming pool or theater while kids at the other high schools have all of those things. I have no dog in this fight. I am a parent of high school student but I wouldn’t send them to APS. The County and their schools suck.

Catch up. The NIMBYs blocked the a new APS HS (and now whine that the schools are too crowded for more housing.)

It’s almost like you are purposely obtuse. I just explained why it was blocked. It’s YIMBY’s like you who can’t make a coherent argument that got us into this mess.

It was blocked because NIMBY.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

None of this is true for Arlington. There were arguments about the high school, but not because people didn’t want it in their backyard but because they wanted a school that was equivalent to the existing high schools like W-L, Yorktown and Wakefield and the County, per usual, wouldn’t do that. They forced all these other 1/2 a$$ options on people. I’d love to hear about the preschool and solar power that Arlington NIMBYs scrapped. I’ve lived here over twenty years.

lol pathetic defense of blocking the HS. I bet you $10000 the same people who blocked the HS are now whining about not having enough school capacity for growth.

Pathetic defense? You must be a delusional YIMBY renter without kids. Because you would care if your kid was zoned for a high school with a small turf field on the roof and no swimming pool or theater while kids at the other high schools have all of those things. I have no dog in this fight. I am a parent of high school student but I wouldn’t send them to APS. The County and their schools suck.

Catch up. The NIMBYs blocked the a new APS HS (and now whine that the schools are too crowded for more housing.)

It’s almost like you are purposely obtuse. I just explained why it was blocked. It’s YIMBY’s like you who can’t make a coherent argument that got us into this mess.

It was blocked because NIMBY.

and y’all got close here: https://www.arlnow.com/2023/06/12/arlington-career-center-project-approved-despite-some-resident-concerns/

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully Montgomery county is paying attention and stops their moronic plan

I think that Friedson is already signaling that it could be scaled back significantly. He’s seen the amount and intensity of the opposition and he knows that much of MOCO has very deep pockets to support a lawsuit. He’s pretty young and I think that he’s got to have political aspirations beyond this.

MoCo's initiative far outstrips Arlington's. The MoCo Council approach has been to put the truly outrageous out there and then pull back to the merely ridiculous, hoping that their "moderation" makes that palatable and any continuing opposition somehow unreasonable. Anything between ridiculoua and outrageous they get would be icing on the cake for density boosters.

I agree with that, mostly, and have been saying that because they’ve asked for everything we should concede nothing, it’s the only way to negotiate a deal if we are forced to swallow it. However, recent events make me think that we might actually get away with very little being changed.

I disagree about the supporters, though, I think that they genuinely felt that people would support the initiative in Montgomery County. This was a high percentage play to them, and some of the more naive ones are shocked.

Crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

They literally say that. People at the YIMBYs for Harris event the other week were saying America should look like Singapore.


There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

wtf does Mexico City have to do with it?? (except to be the classic nonsequitur that NIMBYs love to layer on.)

don’t worry, zoning reform will prevail and we’ll all have a good laugh when only the truly mentally deranged among you are left to chain yourself to the sh*tshack teardown.

Because if you knew anything about Mexico City you'd know they entire area is sinking and it is on the path to becoming uninhabitable. The city is sinking because of too much water demand. The city's sewer systems also get constantly backed up and overflow. That's what happens when you jam pack too many people into an area and infrastructure can't handle it. You give them more water, but you didn't soe enough time to study whether massive water demand increases can cause huge issues with subsidence they can ruin vast swaths of terrain and anything built in top of it.

Are you comparing a city of 9+ million built on a lake with Arlington county?

yes. yes he is 🤡

one thing I’ve learned over several years of being involved in various public improvement/land use projects is that NIMBYs make the most outlandish arguments stacked on top of each other - if not outright lies. This is because generally their only true underlying belief and goal is that nothing should ever change (unless they specifically want it to). so they don’t generally have many bona fide arguments but just a series of increasingly outlandish, disingenuous, and sometimes paranoid claims.

But then the YIYBYs argue that D.C. and Arlington should be as dense as Tokyo.

I’ve never heard anyone say that. The citation to Tokyo is about their much faster/cheaper modular construction, which means rents are much lower.

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Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

wtf does Mexico City have to do with it?? (except to be the classic nonsequitur that NIMBYs love to layer on.)

don’t worry, zoning reform will prevail and we’ll all have a good laugh when only the truly mentally deranged among you are left to chain yourself to the sh*tshack teardown.

Because if you knew anything about Mexico City you'd know they entire area is sinking and it is on the path to becoming uninhabitable. The city is sinking because of too much water demand. The city's sewer systems also get constantly backed up and overflow. That's what happens when you jam pack too many people into an area and infrastructure can't handle it. You give them more water, but you didn't soe enough time to study whether massive water demand increases can cause huge issues with subsidence they can ruin vast swaths of terrain and anything built in top of it.

Are you comparing a city of 9+ million built on a lake with Arlington county?

yes. yes he is 🤡

one thing I’ve learned over several years of being involved in various public improvement/land use projects is that NIMBYs make the most outlandish arguments stacked on top of each other - if not outright lies. This is because generally their only true underlying belief and goal is that nothing should ever change (unless they specifically want it to). so they don’t generally have many bona fide arguments but just a series of increasingly outlandish, disingenuous, and sometimes paranoid claims.

But then the YIYBYs argue that D.C. and Arlington should be as dense as Tokyo.

I’ve never heard anyone say that. The citation to Tokyo is about their much faster/cheaper modular construction, which means rents are much lower.

They literally say stuff like that. People at the YIMBYs for Harris event the other week were saying America should look like Singapore.

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What I think Arlington should do is pass another version of missing middle that only takes effect when surrounding jurisdictions also have similar laws on the books. It makes no sense to me for Arlington to completely dismantle single family zoning when it still exists near the metro in Cleveland Park and Bethesda.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

I agree to some extent. All for solar, better infrastructure, etc but eliminating SFH zoning is not needed. There is plenty of room to build up - apts, condos, etc. people here just look down on those types of homes. Everywhere Else in the world, a condo is a fine place to live. Wealthier people live in the larger suburban homes, most live in condos/apts. le

But the choices should not be limited to 1000 sqft condo or 4000 sqft SFH. It would be nice to have more housing in the middle.

So maybe you need to do what the rest of us did and buy a small 1.5 bath colonial fixer-upper or a small 2 bed ranch with an original kitchen and bath? Only the new construction is 4000 sqft for a SFH. And consider existing duplexes and townhomes in South Arlington, also like we did. Put in some sweat equity and make a profit.

But if MM stands, all those existing homes will be torn down to make way for new construction that is unaffordable to anyone in the middle, regardless of sqft. Whether it’s a 4000 sqft SFH or a six-plex, it’s not going to make a real dent in affordability or the regional housing crisis with a cap of 50 per year. It’s just enough to piss off current residents when parking and tree canopy and storm water and school crowding aren’t addressed simultaneously. We need many, many more high rises in the R-B corridor and “National Landing” and there’s lots of office space that is sitting empty that could make an actual dent in housing and affordability and transit access without upsetting the entire SFH resident owner population. Unless, of course, you’re not actually interested in solving these issues.

Thanks for the suggestions but I already have a house in Arlington. But I also am aware that housing in the middle is limited. Any lot suitable for a new build is already bought by a developer, and I’d rather see a duplex be constructed than a hideous McMansion.

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Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

wtf does Mexico City have to do with it?? (except to be the classic nonsequitur that NIMBYs love to layer on.)

don’t worry, zoning reform will prevail and we’ll all have a good laugh when only the truly mentally deranged among you are left to chain yourself to the sh*tshack teardown.

Because if you knew anything about Mexico City you'd know they entire area is sinking and it is on the path to becoming uninhabitable. The city is sinking because of too much water demand. The city's sewer systems also get constantly backed up and overflow. That's what happens when you jam pack too many people into an area and infrastructure can't handle it. You give them more water, but you didn't soe enough time to study whether massive water demand increases can cause huge issues with subsidence they can ruin vast swaths of terrain and anything built in top of it.

Are you comparing a city of 9+ million built on a lake with Arlington county?

yes. yes he is 🤡

one thing I’ve learned over several years of being involved in various public improvement/land use projects is that NIMBYs make the most outlandish arguments stacked on top of each other - if not outright lies. This is because generally their only true underlying belief and goal is that nothing should ever change (unless they specifically want it to). so they don’t generally have many bona fide arguments but just a series of increasingly outlandish, disingenuous, and sometimes paranoid claims.

But then the YIYBYs argue that D.C. and Arlington should be as dense as Tokyo.

I’ve never heard anyone say that. The citation to Tokyo is about their much faster/cheaper modular construction, which means rents are much lower.

They literally say stuff like that. People at the YIMBYs for Harris event the other week were saying America should look like Singapore.

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