Abortion messaging needs to change

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I think OP is a Russian propagandist, be it human or a bot. AOp’s advice to downplay abortion is exactly the wrong thing the Democrats should do.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, DCUM can’t see the point you are making because you said you were a Christian and then they all went blind with rage.

I think you’re right about that. Apparently’ they think freedom of religion applies to everyone except Christians.

Freedom of religion also means that I am free from the influence of YOUR religion as well. Jewish law states that life does not begin at conception, it begins at birth. Why should Christianity overrule Judaism?

Again, Christians can have freedom of religion- they don't have to get abortions. Your religion does NOT get to dictate what others do.

Yep, and that’s exact why the fourth sentence of my original post says that I am not asking anyone to agree with me. That is why I have repeatedly said that I think abortion should be legal for all because we all have such varying views.

Nope. Each state can decide for themselves if they want to have abortion restrictions and at one point. It’s not for some New Yorker to decide what the voters of Alabama want to do about abortion. Don’t like it? Move.

Nope. What I choose to do with my body and uterus is a fundamental right. You can't "states rights" away fundamental rights. See slavery.

You say that, but the law disagrees with you. Sorry!

The law changes. Sorry! Women will get their rights back

The law can absolutely change! There are mechanisms for this. At the federal level, you can push for a constitutional amendment. Good luck getting the states you need for that. And then there’s the state level. By all means, convince the people in deep red states that they should have elective abortions through the third trimester.

Those don't happen and again. ...ou really can't give a woman to give birth. Maybe a few, but not most. Sorry!

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Anonymous wrote:OP, DCUM can’t see the point you are making because you said you were a Christian and then they all went blind with rage.

I think you’re right about that. Apparently’ they think freedom of religion applies to everyone except Christians.

Freedom of religion also means that I am free from the influence of YOUR religion as well. Jewish law states that life does not begin at conception, it begins at birth. Why should Christianity overrule Judaism?

Again, Christians can have freedom of religion- they don't have to get abortions. Your religion does NOT get to dictate what others do.

Yep, and that’s exact why the fourth sentence of my original post says that I am not asking anyone to agree with me. That is why I have repeatedly said that I think abortion should be legal for all because we all have such varying views.

The messaging is that we need to return to protections of roe that were in place for 50 years. In order to begin to do that, trump must not get another shot at the presidency and at women's reproductive rights. That messaging is spot on.

Roe is not coming back.

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The protections of roe are coming back. It took a long time to get them and it will take time to get them back. Women will fight on as they always have and will.

Women will fight on. And some of them are pro life.

Most are in favor of the protections of roe. Roe allows for you to have as many pregnancies and births as you choose. It protects that choice.

Not uniformally they aren’t. Opinions vary depending on the location - red vs blue, rural vs urban.

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You can't force a woman to give birth. Sorry!

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Anonymous wrote:OP, DCUM can’t see the point you are making because you said you were a Christian and then they all went blind with rage.

I think you’re right about that. Apparently’ they think freedom of religion applies to everyone except Christians.

Freedom of religion also means that I am free from the influence of YOUR religion as well. Jewish law states that life does not begin at conception, it begins at birth. Why should Christianity overrule Judaism?

Again, Christians can have freedom of religion- they don't have to get abortions. Your religion does NOT get to dictate what others do.

Yep, and that’s exact why the fourth sentence of my original post says that I am not asking anyone to agree with me. That is why I have repeatedly said that I think abortion should be legal for all because we all have such varying views.

Nope. Each state can decide for themselves if they want to have abortion restrictions and at one point. It’s not for some New Yorker to decide what the voters of Alabama want to do about abortion. Don’t like it? Move.

Nope. What I choose to do with my body and uterus is a fundamental right. You can't "states rights" away fundamental rights. See slavery.

You say that, but the law disagrees with you. Sorry!

The law changes. Sorry! Women will get their rights back

The law can absolutely change! There are mechanisms for this. At the federal level, you can push for a constitutional amendment. Good luck getting the states you need for that. And then there’s the state level. By all means, convince the people in deep red states that they should have elective abortions through the third trimester.

Those don't happen and again. ...ou really can't give a woman to give birth. Maybe a few, but not most. Sorry!

You’re arguing a strawman. I never said most. Nice deflection but that won’t fly here. If you want to push for law changes, go for it. But it’s not going to happen via unelected judges.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't force a woman to give birth. Sorry!

Dumb argument. It’s like saying we shouldn’t bother to have burglary laws because people steal anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Give up OP. Your fellow Democrats only see red in this user and cannot think logically or emphatically. You have people out there messaging how proud they are of their abortions. It is one thing for abortion to be legal. Quite another to be proud. The messaging is so far gone it is an echo chamber. They are not at all trying to find a middle ground/consensus.

The middle ground was Roe. Happy to go back to that. But Republican evangelical warriors are too extreme to agree to it.

Op here. I agree. And Obama was extremely effective at reducing abortion rate without infringing on our rights.

Obama was the one who say the “and rare” portion of the “safe legal and rare” abortion messaging expunged. Maybe he should have found some middle ground.

Hmmm…the “and rare” part is important, I believe. Maybe that’s part of the reason why the right seems to think we LOVE abortion and can’t wait to get one.

I think we can all agree that, in an ideal world, there would be no NEED for abortion. Nobody gets excited about having one, right? Like any medical procedure, we would rather not need one and so we take steps to avoid them. There is nothing wrong with wanting them to be rare. Ironic that Obama eliminated that part because he really helped with that by making BC more accessible.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, DCUM can’t see the point you are making because you said you were a Christian and then they all went blind with rage.

I think you’re right about that. Apparently’ they think freedom of religion applies to everyone except Christians.

Freedom of religion also means that I am free from the influence of YOUR religion as well. Jewish law states that life does not begin at conception, it begins at birth. Why should Christianity overrule Judaism?

Again, Christians can have freedom of religion- they don't have to get abortions. Your religion does NOT get to dictate what others do.

Yep, and that’s exact why the fourth sentence of my original post says that I am not asking anyone to agree with me. That is why I have repeatedly said that I think abortion should be legal for all because we all have such varying views.

Nope. Each state can decide for themselves if they want to have abortion restrictions and at one point. It’s not for some New Yorker to decide what the voters of Alabama want to do about abortion. Don’t like it? Move.

Nope. What I choose to do with my body and uterus is a fundamental right. You can't "states rights" away fundamental rights. See slavery.

You say that, but the law disagrees with you. Sorry!

The law changes. Sorry! Women will get their rights back

The law can absolutely change! There are mechanisms for this. At the federal level, you can push for a constitutional amendment. Good luck getting the states you need for that. And then there’s the state level. By all means, convince the people in deep red states that they should have elective abortions through the third trimester.

I think people in the deep red states are smart enough to realize that we aren't talking about elective abortions through the third trimester. But thanks for bringing up this trope every time abortion is discussed.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, DCUM can’t see the point you are making because you said you were a Christian and then they all went blind with rage.

I think you’re right about that. Apparently’ they think freedom of religion applies to everyone except Christians.

Freedom of religion also means that I am free from the influence of YOUR religion as well. Jewish law states that life does not begin at conception, it begins at birth. Why should Christianity overrule Judaism?

Again, Christians can have freedom of religion- they don't have to get abortions. Your religion does NOT get to dictate what others do.

Yep, and that’s exact why the fourth sentence of my original post says that I am not asking anyone to agree with me. That is why I have repeatedly said that I think abortion should be legal for all because we all have such varying views.

Nope. Each state can decide for themselves if they want to have abortion restrictions and at one point. It’s not for some New Yorker to decide what the voters of Alabama want to do about abortion. Don’t like it? Move.

Nope. What I choose to do with my body and uterus is a fundamental right. You can't "states rights" away fundamental rights. See slavery.

You say that, but the law disagrees with you. Sorry!

The law changes. Sorry! Women will get their rights back

The law can absolutely change! There are mechanisms for this. At the federal level, you can push for a constitutional amendment. Good luck getting the states you need for that. And then there’s the state level. By all means, convince the people in deep red states that they should have elective abortions through the third trimester.

The good news is that there aren’t “elective” third trimester (that’s 27 weeks for those ignorant about pregnancy) abortions. So no one needs to go around convincing anyone of that.

But don’t you worry. At some point after some republicans’ daughters or wives have died because of abortion bans then the pendulum will swing back. One can only hope n

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Anonymous wrote:You can't force a woman to give birth. Sorry!

Dumb argument. It’s like saying we shouldn’t bother to have burglary laws because people steal anyway.

Nope. Abortion bans are nothing like burglary laws.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't force a woman to give birth. Sorry!

Dumb argument. It’s like saying we shouldn’t bother to have burglary laws because people steal anyway.

Or you can’t have gun laws because people will just use knives to mass slaughter children in schools.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't force a woman to give birth. Sorry!

Dumb argument. It’s like saying we shouldn’t bother to have burglary laws because people steal anyway.

Nope. Abortion bans are nothing like burglary laws.

You don’t follow logic well do you?
The idea that something can’t be outlawed because crime will always happen is a fallacy and beside the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with abortion as a "lifestyle choice". Things happen.

Birth control fails.

Sometimes the circumstances after we get pregnant change and it is no longer a good option to have a baby, ie: the father leaves, job loss, etc.

Also, we are humans, mistakes happen, and there are some women who just do not have the capacity to raise a child.

Either way, as a Christian, the Bible tells us, "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Abortion laws should not be determined based on who should have one and who shouldn't. It makes every women go through some sort of test as to whether or not she should be allowed to have an abortion. This is already a devastating situation for women to walk into an abortion clinic or hospital, and to have that extra layer of trauma is just cruel. Just let women live their lives.

Yep, which is why I have repeatedly said that abortion should be legal, safe, and rare.

You seem to be in favor of lifestyle abortions. Im not, but I respect your right to make your own choice. Which is why the law should allow for each of us to make our own choice.

But the democrats don’t want abortion to be rare, and they oppose the Hyde amendment so they want you to pay for it.

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I honestly wish the democrats would stop talking about abortion. Anyone who is open to understanding how disastrous the GOP is for women’s rights, health, and safety has already turned.

It would be difficult for you to be more wrong about this. The Democrats didn’t talk about abortion enough in the previous decades and that’s what led us to where we are now. And public opinion has been turning and continues to turn against the right wing’s total bans, which produce terrible health outcomes for women with problematic pregnancies and is already resulting in a shortage of doctors of all specialties in those states.

Also, anyone who thinks they have a hot take on abortion here, have you read the Roe v Wade overturned thread? Because I guarantee your great wisdom has been discussed there.

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OP blaming the Democrats for the lies of the Republicans is big “what was she wearing” energy.

Op here. I am not blaming the democrats. This post was actually prompted by another post asking what democrats should do differently in their campaign. This is just what I wish they would do to improve messaging - speak to those of us who don’t see abortion as a black and white issue - like I said, untapped demographic.

No, you’re not an “untapped demographic.” Do you trust women? Do you think they deserve the basic human right of bodily autonomy? Then you should vote pro choice and do with your own body as your conscience dictates. That’s your answer. You took a thousand words to scold the Democrats for your inability to feel okay with letting women run their own lives.

This is the fundamental disconnect you will never understand because you don't make an effort to. Prolife people have the sincerely held belief that abortion is about TWO people, not just the woman involved. You can say that this is just the patriarch wanting to keep women pregnant in the kitchen, but all that tells me is that you don't know any prolife people and have never engaged with them, because that's not how they think.

We understand and don’t agree.

So the messaging you’ve posted upthread is not novel and is largely what people not being confronted on the internet believe and say in official platforms and such. In fact, it’s been decades since NARAL started saying that last bit about safe, legal, and rare.

Nobody wants abortion to be the first option, but it has to be an option, and it has to be the same across the country.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't force a woman to give birth. Sorry!

Dumb argument. It’s like saying we shouldn’t bother to have burglary laws because people steal anyway.

Nope. Abortion bans are nothing like burglary laws.

You don’t follow logic well do you?
The idea that something can’t be outlawed because crime will always happen is a fallacy and beside the point.

You seem to be having the logic problem. You can't make an inalienable right a crime. A law that legalizes slavery is not a valid law.