Abortion messaging needs to change

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Op here. I am saddened to see the responses from my fellow democrats. I justcrefead my post and I think I was clear.

I stated that I am not asking anyone to agree with me

I stated that I am in the legal, safe, and rare camp.

I never said that I want legislation that makes lifestyle abortions illegal.

I am simply saying that, in this campaign season, democrats could reach a whole new demographic by just acknowledging that it is not so black and white for everyone.

We are democrats and we believe everyone is entitled to religious freedom and their own values…correct? Then why do some of you attack people who express any level of Christian values?

Because Christian values should have nothing to do with abortion access. None. If you are a Christian who believes that abortion is murder, then don't get an abortion. Full stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about how it was for 50 years? Generally legal until viability; then after viability, subject to restrictions on a state-by-state basis.

If you believe abortion is immoral, then don't get one. But don't impose your religious beliefs on those who don't share them.

I've never understood this line of thinking. We legislate all sorts of things because we believe them to be immoral. That's like saying "don't think robbery is immoral, don't rob!". Put yourself in the position who believes this is murder. Why would they stand by and allow murder to be legal?

I'm pro choice by the way. But I understand the other side well enough to know what a specious argument this is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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I honestly wish the democrats would stop talking about abortion. Anyone who is open to understanding how disastrous the GOP is for women’s rights, health, and safety has already turned.

It would be difficult for you to be more wrong about this. The Democrats didn’t talk about abortion enough in the previous decades and that’s what led us to where we are now. And public opinion has been turning and continues to turn against the right wing’s total bans, which produce terrible health outcomes for women with problematic pregnancies and is already resulting in a shortage of doctors of all specialties in those states.

Also, anyone who thinks they have a hot take on abortion here, have you read the Roe v Wade overturned thread? Because I guarantee your great wisdom has been discussed there.

+1

OP blaming the Democrats for the lies of the Republicans is big “what was she wearing” energy.

Op here. I am not blaming the democrats. This post was actually prompted by another post asking what democrats should do differently in their campaign. This is just what I wish they would do to improve messaging - speak to those of us who don’t see abortion as a black and white issue - like I said, untapped demographic.

Very few of us see abortion itself as a black and white issue, and that’s why we believe that regulating it with conditions that vary from state to state and are mostly based on religious beliefs is a black and white issue. It’s not anyone’s business outside of any particular woman and her healthcare provider.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here. I am saddened to see the responses from my fellow democrats. I justcrefead my post and I think I was clear.

I stated that I am not asking anyone to agree with me

I stated that I am in the legal, safe, and rare camp.

I never said that I want legislation that makes lifestyle abortions illegal.

I am simply saying that, in this campaign season, democrats could reach a whole new demographic by just acknowledging that it is not so black and white for everyone.

We are democrats and we believe everyone is entitled to religious freedom and their own values…correct? Then why do some of you attack people who express any level of Christian values?

Because Christian values should have nothing to do with abortion access. None. If you are a Christian who believes that abortion is murder, then don't get an abortion. Full stop.

Please point to the part where I said my Christian values should affect your access to abortion..? Once again, I am only asking to be acknowledged in the messaging. Not asking for legislation. Tired of repeating this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about how it was for 50 years? Generally legal until viability; then after viability, subject to restrictions on a state-by-state basis.

If you believe abortion is immoral, then don't get one. But don't impose your religious beliefs on those who don't share them.

I've never understood this line of thinking. We legislate all sorts of things because we believe them to be immoral. That's like saying "don't think robbery is immoral, don't rob!". Put yourself in the position who believes this is murder. Why would they stand by and allow murder to be legal?

I'm pro choice by the way. But I understand the other side well enough to know what a specious argument this is.

What’s specious is one side declaring they are “pro life” and against murder but also pro death penalty and against saving a woman’s life over an unborn baby.

[Anonymous]

In other words, here’s an example of what that messaging can look like:

“As Americans, we are extremely diverse in our values and religious beliefs. That’s what this country was founded on. Abortion and family planning is a deeply personal matter, and it should not be dictated by politicians. Whether you are pro-abortion, anti-abortion, or somewhere in the middle, you should be able to make the decision that is right for you. Therefore, abortion should be legal, safe, and rare.”

[Anonymous]

Give up OP. Your fellow Democrats only see red in this user and cannot think logically or emphatically. You have people out there messaging how proud they are of their abortions. It is one thing for abortion to be legal. Quite another to be proud. The messaging is so far gone it is an echo chamber. They are not at all trying to find a middle ground/consensus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about how it was for 50 years? Generally legal until viability; then after viability, subject to restrictions on a state-by-state basis.

If you believe abortion is immoral, then don't get one. But don't impose your religious beliefs on those who don't share them.

I've never understood this line of thinking. We legislate all sorts of things because we believe them to be immoral. That's like saying "don't think robbery is immoral, don't rob!". Put yourself in the position who believes this is murder. Why would they stand by and allow murder to be legal?

I'm pro choice by the way. But I understand the other side well enough to know what a specious argument this is.

What’s specious is one side declaring they are “pro life” and against murder but also pro death penalty and against saving a woman’s life over an unborn baby.

I think you should speak to more pro life people. The ones I know are all against the death penalty and absolutely agree with abortion to save a women's life. In fact that is the official policy of the Catholic Church and catholic hospitals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I honestly wish the democrats would stop talking about abortion. Anyone who is open to understanding how disastrous the GOP is for women’s rights, health, and safety has already turned.

It would be difficult for you to be more wrong about this. The Democrats didn’t talk about abortion enough in the previous decades and that’s what led us to where we are now. And public opinion has been turning and continues to turn against the right wing’s total bans, which produce terrible health outcomes for women with problematic pregnancies and is already resulting in a shortage of doctors of all specialties in those states.

Also, anyone who thinks they have a hot take on abortion here, have you read the Roe v Wade overturned thread? Because I guarantee your great wisdom has been discussed there.

+1

OP blaming the Democrats for the lies of the Republicans is big “what was she wearing” energy.

Op here. I am not blaming the democrats. This post was actually prompted by another post asking what democrats should do differently in their campaign. This is just what I wish they would do to improve messaging - speak to those of us who don’t see abortion as a black and white issue - like I said, untapped demographic.

No, you’re not an “untapped demographic.” Do you trust women? Do you think they deserve the basic human right of bodily autonomy? Then you should vote pro choice and do with your own body as your conscience dictates. That’s your answer. You took a thousand words to scold the Democrats for your inability to feel okay with letting women run their own lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Give up OP. Your fellow Democrats only see red in this user and cannot think logically or emphatically. You have people out there messaging how proud they are of their abortions. It is one thing for abortion to be legal. Quite another to be proud. The messaging is so far gone it is an echo chamber. They are not at all trying to find a middle ground/consensus.

So you think those women should not be proud? They have to have your exact reaction to your abortion? What is the correct reaction to having an abortion?

Because for a lot of women, the correct reaction to their abortion was to deem theirs special and different and not at all sinful and then to get back out on the picket line and scold other women for having theirs.

Also, the “shout your abortion” wasn’t about pride in one’s abortion. You, who I do not believe to be the OP, are using right wing framing and expecting us to treat you with kid gloves. The GOP will erase your citizenship entirely if they get back in power and you want to scold Democrats? Wrong answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I honestly wish the democrats would stop talking about abortion. Anyone who is open to understanding how disastrous the GOP is for women’s rights, health, and safety has already turned.

It would be difficult for you to be more wrong about this. The Democrats didn’t talk about abortion enough in the previous decades and that’s what led us to where we are now. And public opinion has been turning and continues to turn against the right wing’s total bans, which produce terrible health outcomes for women with problematic pregnancies and is already resulting in a shortage of doctors of all specialties in those states.

Also, anyone who thinks they have a hot take on abortion here, have you read the Roe v Wade overturned thread? Because I guarantee your great wisdom has been discussed there.

+1

OP blaming the Democrats for the lies of the Republicans is big “what was she wearing” energy.

Op here. I am not blaming the democrats. This post was actually prompted by another post asking what democrats should do differently in their campaign. This is just what I wish they would do to improve messaging - speak to those of us who don’t see abortion as a black and white issue - like I said, untapped demographic.

No, you’re not an “untapped demographic.” Do you trust women? Do you think they deserve the basic human right of bodily autonomy? Then you should vote pro choice and do with your own body as your conscience dictates. That’s your answer. You took a thousand words to scold the Democrats for your inability to feel okay with letting women run their own lives.

This is the fundamental disconnect you will never understand because you don't make an effort to. Prolife people have the sincerely held belief that abortion is about TWO people, not just the woman involved. You can say that this is just the patriarch wanting to keep women pregnant in the kitchen, but all that tells me is that you don't know any prolife people and have never engaged with them, because that's not how they think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I honestly wish the democrats would stop talking about abortion. Anyone who is open to understanding how disastrous the GOP is for women’s rights, health, and safety has already turned.

It would be difficult for you to be more wrong about this. The Democrats didn’t talk about abortion enough in the previous decades and that’s what led us to where we are now. And public opinion has been turning and continues to turn against the right wing’s total bans, which produce terrible health outcomes for women with problematic pregnancies and is already resulting in a shortage of doctors of all specialties in those states.

Also, anyone who thinks they have a hot take on abortion here, have you read the Roe v Wade overturned thread? Because I guarantee your great wisdom has been discussed there.

+1

OP blaming the Democrats for the lies of the Republicans is big “what was she wearing” energy.

Op here. I am not blaming the democrats. This post was actually prompted by another post asking what democrats should do differently in their campaign. This is just what I wish they would do to improve messaging - speak to those of us who don’t see abortion as a black and white issue - like I said, untapped demographic.

No, you’re not an “untapped demographic.” Do you trust women? Do you think they deserve the basic human right of bodily autonomy? Then you should vote pro choice and do with your own body as your conscience dictates. That’s your answer. You took a thousand words to scold the Democrats for your inability to feel okay with letting women run their own lives.

You have serious reading comprehension issues. Go back and read my posts again. Geez.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about how it was for 50 years? Generally legal until viability; then after viability, subject to restrictions on a state-by-state basis.

If you believe abortion is immoral, then don't get one. But don't impose your religious beliefs on those who don't share them.

I've never understood this line of thinking. We legislate all sorts of things because we believe them to be immoral. That's like saying "don't think robbery is immoral, don't rob!". Put yourself in the position who believes this is murder. Why would they stand by and allow murder to be legal?

I'm pro choice by the way. But I understand the other side well enough to know what a specious argument this is.

What’s specious is one side declaring they are “pro life” and against murder but also pro death penalty and against saving a woman’s life over an unborn baby.

I think you should speak to more pro life people. The ones I know are all against the death penalty and absolutely agree with abortion to save a women's life. In fact that is the official policy of the Catholic Church and catholic hospitals.

Women are bleeding out and going septic in Catholic hospitals the same as they are in non Catholic hospitals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I honestly wish the democrats would stop talking about abortion. Anyone who is open to understanding how disastrous the GOP is for women’s rights, health, and safety has already turned.

It would be difficult for you to be more wrong about this. The Democrats didn’t talk about abortion enough in the previous decades and that’s what led us to where we are now. And public opinion has been turning and continues to turn against the right wing’s total bans, which produce terrible health outcomes for women with problematic pregnancies and is already resulting in a shortage of doctors of all specialties in those states.

Also, anyone who thinks they have a hot take on abortion here, have you read the Roe v Wade overturned thread? Because I guarantee your great wisdom has been discussed there.

+1

OP blaming the Democrats for the lies of the Republicans is big “what was she wearing” energy.

Op here. I am not blaming the democrats. This post was actually prompted by another post asking what democrats should do differently in their campaign. This is just what I wish they would do to improve messaging - speak to those of us who don’t see abortion as a black and white issue - like I said, untapped demographic.

No, you’re not an “untapped demographic.” Do you trust women? Do you think they deserve the basic human right of bodily autonomy? Then you should vote pro choice and do with your own body as your conscience dictates. That’s your answer. You took a thousand words to scold the Democrats for your inability to feel okay with letting women run their own lives.

You have serious reading comprehension issues. Go back and read my posts again. Geez.

Your writing and message are nowhere as clear as you think they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about how it was for 50 years? Generally legal until viability; then after viability, subject to restrictions on a state-by-state basis.

If you believe abortion is immoral, then don't get one. But don't impose your religious beliefs on those who don't share them.

I've never understood this line of thinking. We legislate all sorts of things because we believe them to be immoral. That's like saying "don't think robbery is immoral, don't rob!". Put yourself in the position who believes this is murder. Why would they stand by and allow murder to be legal?

I'm pro choice by the way. But I understand the other side well enough to know what a specious argument this is.

What’s specious is one side declaring they are “pro life” and against murder but also pro death penalty and against saving a woman’s life over an unborn baby.

I think you should speak to more pro life people. The ones I know are all against the death penalty and absolutely agree with abortion to save a women's life. In fact that is the official policy of the Catholic Church and catholic hospitals.

Women are bleeding out and going septic in Catholic hospitals the same as they are in non Catholic hospitals.

Show me one case of a woman dying in an American catholic hospital because of lack of an abortion.