Why are Episcopal schools so much more expensive than Catholic?

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Anonymous wrote:The stuff in this thread is BS. Here are the real reasons it is more expensive?

1. Episcopal schools are better than Catholic schools -- hands down. There will be exceptions and the top Cathoic High Schools are great but the Episcopal schools have better teachers, pay them more and have less turnover.

2. Episcopal schools do not by and large get ANY money from the church.

3. They have a different mission. Episcopal schools are not trying to be all things -- they are looking to educate mostly mainstream kids, mostly middle, UMC, and rich.

4. They do not view the parish schools are who they are competing against. They view their rivals as the other ind private schools. That is why they spend more.

5. Better extras -- sports (except for the big Catholic HSs); Theater, Robotics, etc.

No one missed math class for math at either. All built into the schedule as a PP said. Both have mass so not sure there is a difference there.

Broad generalizations, mostly false.

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Anonymous wrote:The stuff in this thread is BS. Here are the real reasons it is more expensive?

1. Episcopal schools are better than Catholic schools -- hands down. There will be exceptions and the top Cathoic High Schools are great but the Episcopal schools have better teachers, pay them more and have less turnover.

2. Episcopal schools do not by and large get ANY money from the church.

3. They have a different mission. Episcopal schools are not trying to be all things -- they are looking to educate mostly mainstream kids, mostly middle, UMC, and rich.

4. They do not view the parish schools are who they are competing against. They view their rivals as the other ind private schools. That is why they spend more.

5. Better extras -- sports (except for the big Catholic HSs); Theater, Robotics, etc.

No one missed math class for math at either. All built into the schedule as a PP said. Both have mass so not sure there is a difference there.

Broad generalizations, mostly false.

I think this hits the nail on the head. Because Episcopal schools aren’t subsidized by the church, tuition is higher. With this higher tuition, comes higher expectations and there are typically lower teacher to student ratios, more extras and nicer facilities. Most of the families we UC, UMC or LC on scholarship. You see virtually no MC.

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Anonymous wrote:Some (not all) of the Catholic Schools have larger class sizes.
My child attends a Catholic High School and class size is the same if not larger than our local public school.

Name the school. I have never heard of class sizes in Catholic high schools being larger than public schools (sometimes up to 40 or more in a class). My daughter's school has an average of 15-17 in a class. My son had slightly larger (20-24).

OLOL has large class sizes with fewer adults in the room than public.

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Anonymous wrote:Some (not all) of the Catholic Schools have larger class sizes.
My child attends a Catholic High School and class size is the same if not larger than our local public school.

Name the school. I have never heard of class sizes in Catholic high schools being larger than public schools (sometimes up to 40 or more in a class). My daughter's school has an average of 15-17 in a class. My son had slightly larger (20-24).

I have a child at SJC and a child in a DCPS HS.
My children's experience is that the SJC classes (not all - but most) were larger than the DCPS classes.

Different people have different experiences.

Can you say which DCPS HS? We are struggling with this decision for next year: MacArthur HS or SJC.

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Anonymous wrote:Quality and less subsidization.

And with Episcopal schools you get their screwed up theology but hey, take the good with the bad.

Yeah, but at least no pervy priests and ingrained misogyny and hypocrisy.

So Episcopal theology is to serve the rich and screw the poor? At least Catholic school try to educate everyone regardless of income

I'd add regardless of income and ability. Our Catholic school serves special needs kids and the Episcopal schools don't even accept them.

I am not aware of a specific Episcopal program for SN students. Catholic schools do have a few high schools that offer such a program but not all.

That is something to ask about when you tour if that is something your child needs or will need.

As they should given the Catholic Church’s position on birth control and abortion.

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The question was answered on the first page, but this being DCUM, it devolved into sectarian/class warfare. That train is never late.

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Anonymous wrote:Quality and less subsidization.

And with Episcopal schools you get their screwed up theology but hey, take the good with the bad.

Yeah, but at least no pervy priests and ingrained misogyny and hypocrisy.

So Episcopal theology is to serve the rich and screw the poor? At least Catholic school try to educate everyone regardless of income

I'd add regardless of income and ability. Our Catholic school serves special needs kids and the Episcopal schools don't even accept them.

I am not aware of a specific Episcopal program for SN students. Catholic schools do have a few high schools that offer such a program but not all.

That is something to ask about when you tour if that is something your child needs or will need.

As they should given the Catholic Church’s position on birth control and abortion.

Of course they should. Given the Episcopal Church's position, that a woman should be allowed to carry a pregnancy to term, you would think they would also welcome all students into their school.

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopalians don’t tithe or excessively proselytize. That’s probably the greatest strength of the church.

Catholics don’t do those things either.

BS Catholics are pushing the abortion issue in the US. Cahtolics push school choice like crazy. And indoctrination is well gee the actual definition of religion and or the Catholic church.

Catholics are not required to tithe, but the church encourages people to give 10% of their gross monthly income to the parish or charities.

The population of people who recognize that every human person has a right to life is hardly limited to Catholics.

School choice is also popular across a broad range of non-Catholics.

If indoctrination is the definition of religion, public schools would seem to be the largest religious body in the U.S.

There is absolutely no Church requirement to tithe or give any particular amount to the Church or other entities. There is an obligation in religion to support the Church and an obligation in charity to support the less fortunate.

Many other denominations “encourage” generous giving; not a few mandate tithing.

Catholic-bashing. The last acceptable prejudice.

There may not be a requirement to tithe, but for many Catholic schools you are determined to be an active parishioner based on whether you give monetarily or not

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Anonymous wrote:Quality and less subsidization.

And with Episcopal schools you get their screwed up theology but hey, take the good with the bad.

Episcopal theology? Thou shalt dress up and have music and donuts at church?

Right! Welcome everyone, be kind, help others.. totally screwed up

In the modern day, the Episcopal church falls on the “Christian left” portion of the spectrum, unlike most of the very vocal Christian elements in US politics. Scarily enough, especially with the current Pope, the Catholic Church is kind of in the center (except for Opus Dei). I’m sticking with the side of accepting all people and believing in science and want my kids educated in that way.

Catholics believe in science.

Episcopal high schools in the area exclude kids with disabilities. They definitely don’t accept anywhere close to all people.

As others have said, most Episcopal schools are private schools that may have once been affiliated with the church but no longer are. They tend to hold onto chapel, have chaplain on the faculty and offer a few religion classes. But, as a private school, can accept whoever they want.

As for being accepting, I guarantee you that Episcopal schools are way more accepting of kids of other religions than Catholic or Jewish schools. Most Episcopal schools will celebrate holidays of other faiths and offer world religion classes.

Of course that's true that they can accept whoever they want. So can Catholic schools. In this area, Catholic high schools choose to accept a wider variety of students than Episcopal high schools do. They choose to keep their costs down and give better financial aid. They choose to include students with disabilities. They include many students who aren't Catholic.

That’s because they use the schools as a religious recruitment avenue. Episcopal schools don’t cancel math classes for Mass. Catholic schools do.

Can you name a Catholic school that cancels math class for Mass?

Obviously Episcopal schools aren't going to have Mass. They have chapel instead. I assume that, like Catholic schools, there is time built into the schedule so that classes aren't cancelled. But I don't have a kid at one. I did attend a Quaker school that had meeting for worship four times as often as most Catholic high schools have mandatory mass.

Yes, I can, but I’m not interested in naming names. I know some of the students in several of them.

So you can sling an accusation but can’t back it up? Very convenient.

I don’t want the families of the students I know to be identified and to suffer retribution for sharing experiences outside of the bubble. Hence the reference to the Keepers.

They must be skipping language arts, too, PP.

I’ve taught in two different Catholic systems. I don’t know of a single school that skips classes for Mass. Every school with which I’ve been affiliated has a separate schedule for Mass days specifically so no class gets cut. I can’t even figure out why a school would operate without a special schedule for school-wide events. What would be the point of skipping classes when you don’t have to? That adds disruption to a school day. I don’t believe the PP’s statement at all.

As for Science, I am tired of people trying to push the idea Catholics don’t believe in science. Catholic high schools offer AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics, etc. Science, including evolution, is taught in lower grades.

Right??
That's such a weird accusation to make.
How does that even work? Let's say the school has mass first thing. I guess theoretically all students could miss first period that day, but obviously they wouldn't all be missing math.
And every school I've ever heard of has an assembly schedule of some sort. Whether it's mass or chapel or quaker meeting or a band performance or science guest speaker or student-teacher basketball game, it doesn't matter. It's an adjusted schedule.
So weird.

And yes, I'm sure the University of Notre Dame College of Science or College of Engineering would love to hear all aobut how catholics don't teach science. For the love of God (literally), the big bang theory was developed by a Catholic priest!

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Anonymous wrote:The question was answered on the first page, but this being DCUM, it devolved into sectarian/class warfare. That train is never late.

The difference between Episcopal and catholic schools is class. With a few exceptions, Catholic schools try to serve everyone and Episcopal schools try to serve those who can afford their services

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Anonymous wrote:The stuff in this thread is BS. Here are the real reasons it is more expensive?

1. Episcopal schools are better than Catholic schools -- hands down. There will be exceptions and the top Cathoic High Schools are great but the Episcopal schools have better teachers, pay them more and have less turnover.

2. Episcopal schools do not by and large get ANY money from the church.

3. They have a different mission. Episcopal schools are not trying to be all things -- they are looking to educate mostly mainstream kids, mostly middle, UMC, and rich.

4. They do not view the parish schools are who they are competing against. They view their rivals as the other ind private schools. That is why they spend more.

5. Better extras -- sports (except for the big Catholic HSs); Theater, Robotics, etc.

No one missed math class for math at either. All built into the schedule as a PP said. Both have mass so not sure there is a difference there.

Broad generalizations, mostly false.

No this is spot on. We have kids in both.

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopalians don’t tithe or excessively proselytize. That’s probably the greatest strength of the church.

Catholics don’t do those things either.

BS Catholics are pushing the abortion issue in the US. Cahtolics push school choice like crazy. And indoctrination is well gee the actual definition of religion and or the Catholic church.

Catholics are not required to tithe, but the church encourages people to give 10% of their gross monthly income to the parish or charities.

The population of people who recognize that every human person has a right to life is hardly limited to Catholics.

School choice is also popular across a broad range of non-Catholics.

If indoctrination is the definition of religion, public schools would seem to be the largest religious body in the U.S.

There is absolutely no Church requirement to tithe or give any particular amount to the Church or other entities. There is an obligation in religion to support the Church and an obligation in charity to support the less fortunate.

Many other denominations “encourage” generous giving; not a few mandate tithing.

Catholic-bashing. The last acceptable prejudice.

There may not be a requirement to tithe, but for many Catholic schools you are determined to be an active parishioner based on whether you give monetarily or not

Well, sure, because that means you are already subsidizing the tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopalians don’t tithe or excessively proselytize. That’s probably the greatest strength of the church.

Catholics don’t do those things either.

BS Catholics are pushing the abortion issue in the US. Cahtolics push school choice like crazy. And indoctrination is well gee the actual definition of religion and or the Catholic church.

Catholics are not required to tithe, but the church encourages people to give 10% of their gross monthly income to the parish or charities.

The population of people who recognize that every human person has a right to life is hardly limited to Catholics.

School choice is also popular across a broad range of non-Catholics.

If indoctrination is the definition of religion, public schools would seem to be the largest religious body in the U.S.

There is absolutely no Church requirement to tithe or give any particular amount to the Church or other entities. There is an obligation in religion to support the Church and an obligation in charity to support the less fortunate.

Many other denominations “encourage” generous giving; not a few mandate tithing.

Catholic-bashing. The last acceptable prejudice.

There may not be a requirement to tithe, but for many Catholic schools you are determined to be an active parishioner based on whether you give monetarily or not

not true

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the schools on the close get substantial financial benefits from being there.

Oh?

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopalians don’t tithe or excessively proselytize. That’s probably the greatest strength of the church.

Catholics don’t do those things either.

BS Catholics are pushing the abortion issue in the US. Cahtolics push school choice like crazy. And indoctrination is well gee the actual definition of religion and or the Catholic church.

Catholics are not required to tithe, but the church encourages people to give 10% of their gross monthly income to the parish or charities.

The population of people who recognize that every human person has a right to life is hardly limited to Catholics.

School choice is also popular across a broad range of non-Catholics.

If indoctrination is the definition of religion, public schools would seem to be the largest religious body in the U.S.

There is absolutely no Church requirement to tithe or give any particular amount to the Church or other entities. There is an obligation in religion to support the Church and an obligation in charity to support the less fortunate.

Many other denominations “encourage” generous giving; not a few mandate tithing.

Catholic-bashing. The last acceptable prejudice.

There may not be a requirement to tithe, but for many Catholic schools you are determined to be an active parishioner based on whether you give monetarily or not

Oh my goodness, no. No tithing, no contribution to be an active parishioner. Care to go for three strikes?