Why are Episcopal schools so much more expensive than Catholic?

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopalians don’t tithe or excessively proselytize. That’s probably the greatest strength of the church.

Catholics don’t do those things either.

BS Catholics are pushing the abortion issue in the US. Cahtolics push school choice like crazy. And indoctrination is well gee the actual definition of religion and or the Catholic church.

Catholics are not required to tithe, but the church encourages people to give 10% of their gross monthly income to the parish or charities.

that's not prosletizing

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Anonymous wrote:Quality and less subsidization.

And with Episcopal schools you get their screwed up theology but hey, take the good with the bad.

Episcopal theology? Thou shalt dress up and have music and donuts at church?

Right! Welcome everyone, be kind, help others.. totally screwed up

In the modern day, the Episcopal church falls on the “Christian left” portion of the spectrum, unlike most of the very vocal Christian elements in US politics. Scarily enough, especially with the current Pope, the Catholic Church is kind of in the center (except for Opus Dei). I’m sticking with the side of accepting all people and believing in science and want my kids educated in that way.

Catholics believe in science.

Episcopal high schools in the area exclude kids with disabilities. They definitely don’t accept anywhere close to all people.

As others have said, most Episcopal schools are private schools that may have once been affiliated with the church but no longer are. They tend to hold onto chapel, have chaplain on the faculty and offer a few religion classes. But, as a private school, can accept whoever they want.

As for being accepting, I guarantee you that Episcopal schools are way more accepting of kids of other religions than Catholic or Jewish schools. Most Episcopal schools will celebrate holidays of other faiths and offer world religion classes.

Of course that's true that they can accept whoever they want. So can Catholic schools. In this area, Catholic high schools choose to accept a wider variety of students than Episcopal high schools do. They choose to keep their costs down and give better financial aid. They choose to include students with disabilities. They include many students who aren't Catholic.

That’s because they use the schools as a religious recruitment avenue. Episcopal schools don’t cancel math classes for Mass. Catholic schools do.

Can you name a Catholic school that cancels math class for Mass?

Obviously Episcopal schools aren't going to have Mass. They have chapel instead. I assume that, like Catholic schools, there is time built into the schedule so that classes aren't cancelled. But I don't have a kid at one. I did attend a Quaker school that had meeting for worship four times as often as most Catholic high schools have mandatory mass.

Yes, I can, but I’m not interested in naming names. I know some of the students in several of them.

So you can sling an accusation but can’t back it up? Very convenient.

I don’t want the families of the students I know to be identified and to suffer retribution for sharing experiences outside of the bubble. Hence the reference to the Keepers.

They must be skipping language arts, too, PP.

I’ve taught in two different Catholic systems. I don’t know of a single school that skips classes for Mass. Every school with which I’ve been affiliated has a separate schedule for Mass days specifically so no class gets cut. I can’t even figure out why a school would operate without a special schedule for school-wide events. What would be the point of skipping classes when you don’t have to? That adds disruption to a school day. I don’t believe the PP’s statement at all.

As for Science, I am tired of people trying to push the idea Catholics don’t believe in science. Catholic high schools offer AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics, etc. Science, including evolution, is taught in lower grades.

Everyone knows you are right, but the anti-Catholic trolls just can't help themselves spreading their hate through misinformation. The best part of this thread, however, are the non Catholics who state clear preference for Catholic schools and especially the atheist who praised Catholic theology over Episcopalian. The haters are surely being triggered by these comments.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Catholic schools get funding from the Catholic Church. Episcopal Schools are independent from the Episcopal Church financially. It really is that simple.

Depends on the school. The Diocese of Virginia runs 5 schools (conveniently named as a group “The Church Schools”). The individual church schools are somewhat run independently but at the same time are still under one umbrella. SSSAS, St. Catherine’s, St. Christopher’s, Christchurch, St. Margaret’s, and Stuart Hall.

But none of them are cheap.

They don’t get funding directly from parish (church) donors.

Catholic Schools, even Catholic colleges do.

That’s a huge difference.

Not in the same way, no. Catholic parish schools are focused on the education of the children of parishioners (which is why they have preference in admissions). I am episcopal, when I give to the church it does make its way down to the church schools but not as direct if I were catholic.

“I am Episcopalian” is how you say it since you are part of the church. There are so few Episcopalians left (1.5 million) in this country that the schools would close if they did not admit kids of other faiths. Quick search shows 50-70 million Catholics.

If I could do it over I’d choose Catholic schools in heartbeat over my kids current Episcopal school. My friends whose kids go to Catholic schools are getting just as good an education - for far less money. They engage kids in their mission of service to others - Catholic or not. They have close knit communities that support each other while having a membership with religious leanings ranging from liberal to conservative. The Episcopal church does not have such a wide spectrum of representation I assure you. Those days are gone.

Unfortunately we are too late in the process to switch. My kids say they will choose a Catholic school for their kids after seeing their friends’ experiences at Catholic schools.

Choose the Catholic school.

Please calm down. For your families sake. Why are you so angry?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I love the idea of bringing religious dialogue into school (I worry that since it can’t be talked about in so many realms, that it just “other-izes” anyone different). We have been so happy with our kids’ Episcopal school experience. It brings in ethics and awareness of all types of religions without being dogmatic and saying there is only one way to believe.

But as much as I appreciate the presence of religion, I just don’t think that I could pick a catholic school. I would worry too much about what they were being taught in religion classes and how the role of women, lack of respect for the complexity of abortion, and how gay kids who might be struggling would be treated.

If I couldn’t afford our episcopal school, our kids would have done public over a Catholic school. I fully recognize that many catholic schools offer great educations, but it just felt like I would be sacrificing my values in search of an independent school experience.

I am a lapsed Christian, family was very Main Line protestant denominations, hardly bible thumping and I attended a church where we used to joke a certain Sunday every November was fur coat Sunday as that was the day the women would bring out their fur coats.

However, I did spend some time studying the history of Christianity from its earliest days, including the range of Christian theology. The one thing that has always been pretty clear from the get go and from the earliest days (at least within the first few centuries) is the concept that life begins at conception. How people call themselves good Christians and square this up with accepting abortion has always been one of the biggest hypocrisy if modern Christianity. I can accept abortion rights, but I don't call myself a good or meaningfully practicing Christian. You *cannot* be a good Christian and defend abortion. It's that simple. No, I don't mean the times when the mother's life is genuinely in danger, but the vast majority of abortions, which is what people really talk about when it comes to abortion. It's people like you who refuse any kind of compromise over abortion, so if your moral extends to killing babies... that's not very Christian is it?

I have to admit I don't find the modern Episcopalian church particularly "Christian." It has very little in common with the 2,000 years of Christian theology behind us and I'm not quite sure what its purpose is. Some people like the liturgy and that's all they really cared about. But I've listened to enough progressive - left sermons and preachings to make me openly wonder why they bother call themselves Christians when in reality, they really are not, because they ignore 99% of traditional theology as well as a substantial chunk of Jesus' teachings. Their mantra is effectively be whatever you think you are and God still loves you. That's not quite true. God may still love you, but it doesn't mean God wants you to pretend you're of the opposite gender, which would be in defiance of the body God gave to you. There's enormous holes in modern progressive "Christianity" which would probably be one of the major factors behind the staggering collapse in church attendance.

Even though I'm basically an atheist, I respect the Catholic theology a lot more. At a minimum, it makes much more sense than modern progressive Protestantism and the quasi cult of feel-good doerism purple haired progressives the Episcopalian church has become.

Thoughtfully expressed.

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopalians don’t tithe or excessively proselytize. That’s probably the greatest strength of the church.

Catholics don’t do those things either.

+1 So many people who bash Catholics have no idea what they are talking about. Tiresome.

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Anonymous wrote:Quality and less subsidization.

And with Episcopal schools you get their screwed up theology but hey, take the good with the bad.

Episcopal theology? Thou shalt dress up and have music and donuts at church?

Right! Welcome everyone, be kind, help others.. totally screwed up

In the modern day, the Episcopal church falls on the “Christian left” portion of the spectrum, unlike most of the very vocal Christian elements in US politics. Scarily enough, especially with the current Pope, the Catholic Church is kind of in the center (except for Opus Dei). I’m sticking with the side of accepting all people and believing in science and want my kids educated in that way.

Catholics believe in science.

Episcopal high schools in the area exclude kids with disabilities. They definitely don’t accept anywhere close to all people.

As others have said, most Episcopal schools are private schools that may have once been affiliated with the church but no longer are. They tend to hold onto chapel, have chaplain on the faculty and offer a few religion classes. But, as a private school, can accept whoever they want.

As for being accepting, I guarantee you that Episcopal schools are way more accepting of kids of other religions than Catholic or Jewish schools. Most Episcopal schools will celebrate holidays of other faiths and offer world religion classes.

Of course that's true that they can accept whoever they want. So can Catholic schools. In this area, Catholic high schools choose to accept a wider variety of students than Episcopal high schools do. They choose to keep their costs down and give better financial aid. They choose to include students with disabilities. They include many students who aren't Catholic.

That’s because they use the schools as a religious recruitment avenue. Episcopal schools don’t cancel math classes for Mass. Catholic schools do.

This is so false, it is beyond ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopalians don’t tithe or excessively proselytize. That’s probably the greatest strength of the church.

Catholics don’t do those things either.

BS Catholics are pushing the abortion issue in the US. Cahtolics push school choice like crazy. And indoctrination is well gee the actual definition of religion and or the Catholic church.

Catholics are not required to tithe, but the church encourages people to give 10% of their gross monthly income to the parish or charities.

that's not prosletizing

They stopped teaching spelling in Catholic schools, too, hm?

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Anonymous wrote:Episcopalians don’t tithe or excessively proselytize. That’s probably the greatest strength of the church.

Catholics don’t do those things either.

+1 So many people who bash Catholics have no idea what they are talking about. Tiresome.

I agree. I’ve seen so much anti-Catholic nonsense on this thread, clearly written by people who have no actual knowledge of Catholic schools or Catholic beliefs.

I worry that others who are here for sincere and honest advice may get misled by these ignorant posters.

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Anonymous wrote:Quality and less subsidization.

And with Episcopal schools you get their screwed up theology but hey, take the good with the bad.

Episcopal theology? Thou shalt dress up and have music and donuts at church?

Right! Welcome everyone, be kind, help others.. totally screwed up

In the modern day, the Episcopal church falls on the “Christian left” portion of the spectrum, unlike most of the very vocal Christian elements in US politics. Scarily enough, especially with the current Pope, the Catholic Church is kind of in the center (except for Opus Dei). I’m sticking with the side of accepting all people and believing in science and want my kids educated in that way.

Catholics believe in science.

Episcopal high schools in the area exclude kids with disabilities. They definitely don’t accept anywhere close to all people.

As others have said, most Episcopal schools are private schools that may have once been affiliated with the church but no longer are. They tend to hold onto chapel, have chaplain on the faculty and offer a few religion classes. But, as a private school, can accept whoever they want.

As for being accepting, I guarantee you that Episcopal schools are way more accepting of kids of other religions than Catholic or Jewish schools. Most Episcopal schools will celebrate holidays of other faiths and offer world religion classes.

Of course that's true that they can accept whoever they want. So can Catholic schools. In this area, Catholic high schools choose to accept a wider variety of students than Episcopal high schools do. They choose to keep their costs down and give better financial aid. They choose to include students with disabilities. They include many students who aren't Catholic.

That’s because they use the schools as a religious recruitment avenue. Episcopal schools don’t cancel math classes for Mass. Catholic schools do.

Can you name a Catholic school that cancels math class for Mass?

Obviously Episcopal schools aren't going to have Mass. They have chapel instead. I assume that, like Catholic schools, there is time built into the schedule so that classes aren't cancelled. But I don't have a kid at one. I did attend a Quaker school that had meeting for worship four times as often as most Catholic high schools have mandatory mass.

Yes, I can, but I’m not interested in naming names. I know some of the students in several of them.

So you can sling an accusation but can’t back it up? Very convenient.

I don’t want the families of the students I know to be identified and to suffer retribution for sharing experiences outside of the bubble. Hence the reference to the Keepers.

They must be skipping language arts, too, PP.

I’ve taught in two different Catholic systems. I don’t know of a single school that skips classes for Mass. Every school with which I’ve been affiliated has a separate schedule for Mass days specifically so no class gets cut. I can’t even figure out why a school would operate without a special schedule for school-wide events. What would be the point of skipping classes when you don’t have to? That adds disruption to a school day. I don’t believe the PP’s statement at all.

As for Science, I am tired of people trying to push the idea Catholics don’t believe in science. Catholic high schools offer AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics, etc. Science, including evolution, is taught in lower grades.

Everyone knows you are right, but the anti-Catholic trolls just can't help themselves spreading their hate through misinformation. The best part of this thread, however, are the non Catholics who state clear preference for Catholic schools and especially the atheist who praised Catholic theology over Episcopalian. The haters are surely being triggered by these comments.

Are you so lacking in confidence in your religion that you take comfort from an so-called atheist? Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Quality and less subsidization.

And with Episcopal schools you get their screwed up theology but hey, take the good with the bad.

Episcopal theology? Thou shalt dress up and have music and donuts at church?

Right! Welcome everyone, be kind, help others.. totally screwed up

In the modern day, the Episcopal church falls on the “Christian left” portion of the spectrum, unlike most of the very vocal Christian elements in US politics. Scarily enough, especially with the current Pope, the Catholic Church is kind of in the center (except for Opus Dei). I’m sticking with the side of accepting all people and believing in science and want my kids educated in that way.

Catholics believe in science.

Episcopal high schools in the area exclude kids with disabilities. They definitely don’t accept anywhere close to all people.

As others have said, most Episcopal schools are private schools that may have once been affiliated with the church but no longer are. They tend to hold onto chapel, have chaplain on the faculty and offer a few religion classes. But, as a private school, can accept whoever they want.

As for being accepting, I guarantee you that Episcopal schools are way more accepting of kids of other religions than Catholic or Jewish schools. Most Episcopal schools will celebrate holidays of other faiths and offer world religion classes.

Of course that's true that they can accept whoever they want. So can Catholic schools. In this area, Catholic high schools choose to accept a wider variety of students than Episcopal high schools do. They choose to keep their costs down and give better financial aid. They choose to include students with disabilities. They include many students who aren't Catholic.

That’s because they use the schools as a religious recruitment avenue. Episcopal schools don’t cancel math classes for Mass. Catholic schools do.

Can you name a Catholic school that cancels math class for Mass?

Obviously Episcopal schools aren't going to have Mass. They have chapel instead. I assume that, like Catholic schools, there is time built into the schedule so that classes aren't cancelled. But I don't have a kid at one. I did attend a Quaker school that had meeting for worship four times as often as most Catholic high schools have mandatory mass.

Yes, I can, but I’m not interested in naming names. I know some of the students in several of them.

So you can sling an accusation but can’t back it up? Very convenient.

I don’t want the families of the students I know to be identified and to suffer retribution for sharing experiences outside of the bubble. Hence the reference to the Keepers.

They must be skipping language arts, too, PP.

I’ve taught in two different Catholic systems. I don’t know of a single school that skips classes for Mass. Every school with which I’ve been affiliated has a separate schedule for Mass days specifically so no class gets cut. I can’t even figure out why a school would operate without a special schedule for school-wide events. What would be the point of skipping classes when you don’t have to? That adds disruption to a school day. I don’t believe the PP’s statement at all.

As for Science, I am tired of people trying to push the idea Catholics don’t believe in science. Catholic high schools offer AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics, etc. Science, including evolution, is taught in lower grades.

Everyone knows you are right, but the anti-Catholic trolls just can't help themselves spreading their hate through misinformation. The best part of this thread, however, are the non Catholics who state clear preference for Catholic schools and especially the atheist who praised Catholic theology over Episcopalian. The haters are surely being triggered by these comments.

Are you so lacking in confidence in your religion that you take comfort from an so-called atheist? Grow up.

DP. What does this even mean?

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Anonymous wrote:Quality and less subsidization.

And with Episcopal schools you get their screwed up theology but hey, take the good with the bad.

Episcopal theology? Thou shalt dress up and have music and donuts at church?

Right! Welcome everyone, be kind, help others.. totally screwed up

In the modern day, the Episcopal church falls on the “Christian left” portion of the spectrum, unlike most of the very vocal Christian elements in US politics. Scarily enough, especially with the current Pope, the Catholic Church is kind of in the center (except for Opus Dei). I’m sticking with the side of accepting all people and believing in science and want my kids educated in that way.

Catholics believe in science.

Episcopal high schools in the area exclude kids with disabilities. They definitely don’t accept anywhere close to all people.

As others have said, most Episcopal schools are private schools that may have once been affiliated with the church but no longer are. They tend to hold onto chapel, have chaplain on the faculty and offer a few religion classes. But, as a private school, can accept whoever they want.

As for being accepting, I guarantee you that Episcopal schools are way more accepting of kids of other religions than Catholic or Jewish schools. Most Episcopal schools will celebrate holidays of other faiths and offer world religion classes.

Of course that's true that they can accept whoever they want. So can Catholic schools. In this area, Catholic high schools choose to accept a wider variety of students than Episcopal high schools do. They choose to keep their costs down and give better financial aid. They choose to include students with disabilities. They include many students who aren't Catholic.

That’s because they use the schools as a religious recruitment avenue. Episcopal schools don’t cancel math classes for Mass. Catholic schools do.

Can you name a Catholic school that cancels math class for Mass?

Obviously Episcopal schools aren't going to have Mass. They have chapel instead. I assume that, like Catholic schools, there is time built into the schedule so that classes aren't cancelled. But I don't have a kid at one. I did attend a Quaker school that had meeting for worship four times as often as most Catholic high schools have mandatory mass.

Yes, I can, but I’m not interested in naming names. I know some of the students in several of them.

So you can sling an accusation but can’t back it up? Very convenient.

I don’t want the families of the students I know to be identified and to suffer retribution for sharing experiences outside of the bubble. Hence the reference to the Keepers.

They must be skipping language arts, too, PP.

I’ve taught in two different Catholic systems. I don’t know of a single school that skips classes for Mass. Every school with which I’ve been affiliated has a separate schedule for Mass days specifically so no class gets cut. I can’t even figure out why a school would operate without a special schedule for school-wide events. What would be the point of skipping classes when you don’t have to? That adds disruption to a school day. I don’t believe the PP’s statement at all.

As for Science, I am tired of people trying to push the idea Catholics don’t believe in science. Catholic high schools offer AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics, etc. Science, including evolution, is taught in lower grades.

Everyone knows you are right, but the anti-Catholic trolls just can't help themselves spreading their hate through misinformation. The best part of this thread, however, are the non Catholics who state clear preference for Catholic schools and especially the atheist who praised Catholic theology over Episcopalian. The haters are surely being triggered by these comments.

Are you so lacking in confidence in your religion that you take comfort from an so-called atheist? Grow up.

DP. What does this even mean?

Catholicism - now endorsed by an atheist!

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The stuff in this thread is BS. Here are the real reasons it is more expensive?

1. Episcopal schools are better than Catholic schools -- hands down. There will be exceptions and the top Cathoic High Schools are great but the Episcopal schools have better teachers, pay them more and have less turnover.

2. Episcopal schools do not by and large get ANY money from the church.

3. They have a different mission. Episcopal schools are not trying to be all things -- they are looking to educate mostly mainstream kids, mostly middle, UMC, and rich.

4. They do not view the parish schools are who they are competing against. They view their rivals as the other ind private schools. That is why they spend more.

5. Better extras -- sports (except for the big Catholic HSs); Theater, Robotics, etc.

No one missed math class for math at either. All built into the schedule as a PP said. Both have mass so not sure there is a difference there.

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Anonymous wrote:The stuff in this thread is BS. Here are the real reasons it is more expensive?

1. Episcopal schools are better than Catholic schools -- hands down. There will be exceptions and the top Cathoic High Schools are great but the Episcopal schools have better teachers, pay them more and have less turnover.

2. Episcopal schools do not by and large get ANY money from the church.

3. They have a different mission. Episcopal schools are not trying to be all things -- they are looking to educate mostly mainstream kids, mostly middle, UMC, and rich.

4. They do not view the parish schools are who they are competing against. They view their rivals as the other ind private schools. That is why they spend more.

5. Better extras -- sports (except for the big Catholic HSs); Theater, Robotics, etc.

No one missed math class for math at either. All built into the schedule as a PP said. Both have mass so not sure there is a difference there.

Grace and St. Patrick’s both started as Parish schools, as did the lower school at St. Andrew’s and the schools on the close get substantial financial benefits from being there.

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In the 1960s, yes, but today and for many years prior, all of the Episcopal schools that you listed are financially independent from churches.

That’s not true of Catholic schools. Parish members receive discounts on tuition at the vast majority of these schools, and they are not independent.

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Anonymous wrote:In the 1960s, yes, but today and for many years prior, all of the Episcopal schools that you listed are financially independent from churches.

That’s not true of Catholic schools. Parish members receive discounts on tuition at the vast majority of these schools, and they are not independent.

The poster who is so hung up on funding really needs to let this go. Everyone knows that Catholic schools are heavily subsidized by the Catholic Church and their missions are first to educate Catholic kids. I do not consider these negatives.

Some Episcopalian schools do get funding from the diocese, but it typically isn’t close to level as Catholic church’s subsidizing catholic schools. it seems like everyone knows this. Everyone agrees on this. Why one poster is just completely stuck on Episcopalian schools not getting any funding at all I don’t know. My kid goes to a school owned by the diocese. As a kid I went to a different school owned by the diocese. I was also on the board. I know how their funding works. No, it’s not at the level of SJC or Gonzaga or Bishop O’Connell, but they do get funding.

Why are the Catholics cheaper? Exactly because of the level of money coming from the church. and considering that these schools have a mission to first and foremost to educate Catholic kids it is getting more competitive (esp at the high school level). Some of the big Catholic HS around here have excellent facilities and are impressive.