Thoughts on help for the SAT/ACT for a smart student who is struggling with these tests

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the OP. Kid got 5s on Calc BC, AP Bio, AP English literature, AP Spanish Language. Took Physics C this year and feels like it was also a 5.

I'm not sure what the disconnect is with the ACT and SAT. The kids feels that it is a timing thing--he/she feels that the APs give far more time for the required material.

It shouldn't be that surprising. Look at the percentage of students getting 5's on these tests:
Calc BC- 42%
AP English Lit- 15%
AP Spanish - 24%
Physics C- 31%
AP Bio- 14%

If you said 5's in AP English Language or APUSH that is more impressive since only around 10% get 5's on those tests.

Those AP scores correlate to a SAT score of 1410 which is the 97th percentile rank of nationally representative group (derived from a research study of U.S. students in 11th and 12th grade and are weighted to represent all U.S. students in those grades, regardless of whether they typically take the SAT.) and the 94th percentile for user group (based on the actual scores of students who took the SAT in the past three school years.)

Why do you think your child should score higher? Your child isn't struggling on the SAT despite you paying thousands of dollars for prep. Your child is a hard worker who is smart and studious but probably not super clever and able to see every pattern or trick.

[Anonymous]

My kid also did test optional. Colleges say they want diversity but they do not want neurodiversity.

[Anonymous]

OP I've not read the whole thread. Those are fantastic AP exam results. Your kid could apply to Cambridge without an SAT if they needed to on that basis. Unless the SAT is important for them applying to specific US colleges, I would drop it.

Otherwise and this may have been suggested - their best approach is to take as many of the College Board practice tests as possible, under timed conditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the OP. Kid got 5s on Calc BC, AP Bio, AP English literature, AP Spanish Language. Took Physics C this year and feels like it was also a 5.

I'm not sure what the disconnect is with the ACT and SAT. The kids feels that it is a timing thing--he/she feels that the APs give far more time for the required material.

It shouldn't be that surprising. Look at the percentage of students getting 5's on these tests:
Calc BC- 42%
AP English Lit- 15%
AP Spanish - 24%
Physics C- 31%
AP Bio- 14%

If you said 5's in AP English Language or APUSH that is more impressive since only around 10% get 5's on those tests.

Those AP scores correlate to a SAT score of 1410 which is the 97th percentile rank of nationally representative group (derived from a research study of U.S. students in 11th and 12th grade and are weighted to represent all U.S. students in those grades, regardless of whether they typically take the SAT.) and the 94th percentile for user group (based on the actual scores of students who took the SAT in the past three school years.)

Why do you think your child should score higher? Your child isn't struggling on the SAT despite you paying thousands of dollars for prep. Your child is a hard worker who is smart and studious but probably not super clever and able to see every pattern or trick.

OP here. I have not spent thousands of dollars on prep.

Geez people. You read my post and fill in the blanks with whatever made-up sh$%t you want to fit your own narrative.

No I never said my kids were in private--they're not (like one poster posted). No they don't have multiple Bs--they don't (like another one made up). No, we didn't pay thousands on prep (i paid nothing close to this).

For the love of God. Read for comprehension.

Thank you all who actually read my posts and gave kind advice without fillling in the blanks and making up crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the OP. Kid got 5s on Calc BC, AP Bio, AP English literature, AP Spanish Language. Took Physics C this year and feels like it was also a 5.

I'm not sure what the disconnect is with the ACT and SAT. The kids feels that it is a timing thing--he/she feels that the APs give far more time for the required material.

Your child took all those AP tests as a sophomore and got 5s in all of them? Wow! I would just submit all of those scores and go test optional for SAT/ACT. Truly exceptional student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the OP. Kid got 5s on Calc BC, AP Bio, AP English literature, AP Spanish Language. Took Physics C this year and feels like it was also a 5.

I'm not sure what the disconnect is with the ACT and SAT. The kids feels that it is a timing thing--he/she feels that the APs give far more time for the required material.

It shouldn't be that surprising. Look at the percentage of students getting 5's on these tests:
Calc BC- 42%
AP English Lit- 15%
AP Spanish - 24%
Physics C- 31%
AP Bio- 14%

If you said 5's in AP English Language or APUSH that is more impressive since only around 10% get 5's on those tests.

Those AP scores correlate to a SAT score of 1410 which is the 97th percentile rank of nationally representative group (derived from a research study of U.S. students in 11th and 12th grade and are weighted to represent all U.S. students in those grades, regardless of whether they typically take the SAT.) and the 94th percentile for user group (based on the actual scores of students who took the SAT in the past three school years.)

Why do you think your child should score higher? Your child isn't struggling on the SAT despite you paying thousands of dollars for prep. Your child is a hard worker who is smart and studious but probably not super clever and able to see every pattern or trick.

The number of people who look at the pure percentage of kids who get 5 on an AP exam and seem to think that’s an indication of the difficulty of the test is astounding. You write off OP’s kid getting a 5 on Calc BC because 42% get a 5? It’s already an extremely self-selected group of students who even attempt the test, compared to APUSH that has a much larger percentage of the overall student population taking it. Of course the smaller group of better students is going to have a higher number of better scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the OP. Kid got 5s on Calc BC, AP Bio, AP English literature, AP Spanish Language. Took Physics C this year and feels like it was also a 5.

I'm not sure what the disconnect is with the ACT and SAT. The kids feels that it is a timing thing--he/she feels that the APs give far more time for the required material.

It shouldn't be that surprising. Look at the percentage of students getting 5's on these tests:
Calc BC- 42%
AP English Lit- 15%
AP Spanish - 24%
Physics C- 31%
AP Bio- 14%

If you said 5's in AP English Language or APUSH that is more impressive since only around 10% get 5's on those tests.

Those AP scores correlate to a SAT score of 1410 which is the 97th percentile rank of nationally representative group (derived from a research study of U.S. students in 11th and 12th grade and are weighted to represent all U.S. students in those grades, regardless of whether they typically take the SAT.) and the 94th percentile for user group (based on the actual scores of students who took the SAT in the past three school years.)

Why do you think your child should score higher? Your child isn't struggling on the SAT despite you paying thousands of dollars for prep. Your child is a hard worker who is smart and studious but probably not super clever and able to see every pattern or trick.

OP here. I have not spent thousands of dollars on prep.

Geez people. You read my post and fill in the blanks with whatever made-up sh$%t you want to fit your own narrative.

No I never said my kids were in private--they're not (like one poster posted). No they don't have multiple Bs--they don't (like another one made up). No, we didn't pay thousands on prep (i paid nothing close to this).

For the love of God. Read for comprehension.

Thank you all who actually read my posts and gave kind advice without fillling in the blanks and making up crap.

I wasn’t counting just 30 hours of SAT paid prep, I am counting all the prep/tutoring you paid for over the years. You just don’t like the answer about being smart in different ways. There is a limit of how far you are going to get even studying for the SAT. You say you think there is a math issue when your child has gotten a 5 in BC Calc. Not everyone can score in the top 2 percent of test takers no matter how much prep. It doesn’t mean that 98% of the population has a leaning disability. It doesn’t mean your child won’t be successful. Even though you think you aren’t expressing disapproval that your daughter didn’t score higher guarantee your daughter feels your disapproval and is getting the message there is something wrong with her.

[Anonymous]

maybe they have slow processing speed and can get an accommodation on the SAT. Or is that too late to do before re-take? Has this been the pattern with standardized tests or did they take none, being in a private school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the OP. Kid got 5s on Calc BC, AP Bio, AP English literature, AP Spanish Language. Took Physics C this year and feels like it was also a 5.

I'm not sure what the disconnect is with the ACT and SAT. The kids feels that it is a timing thing--he/she feels that the APs give far more time for the required material.

It shouldn't be that surprising. Look at the percentage of students getting 5's on these tests:
Calc BC- 42%
AP English Lit- 15%
AP Spanish - 24%
Physics C- 31%
AP Bio- 14%

If you said 5's in AP English Language or APUSH that is more impressive since only around 10% get 5's on those tests.

Those AP scores correlate to a SAT score of 1410 which is the 97th percentile rank of nationally representative group (derived from a research study of U.S. students in 11th and 12th grade and are weighted to represent all U.S. students in those grades, regardless of whether they typically take the SAT.) and the 94th percentile for user group (based on the actual scores of students who took the SAT in the past three school years.)

Why do you think your child should score higher? Your child isn't struggling on the SAT despite you paying thousands of dollars for prep. Your child is a hard worker who is smart and studious but probably not super clever and able to see every pattern or trick.

OP here. I have not spent thousands of dollars on prep.

Geez people. You read my post and fill in the blanks with whatever made-up sh$%t you want to fit your own narrative.

No I never said my kids were in private--they're not (like one poster posted). No they don't have multiple Bs--they don't (like another one made up). No, we didn't pay thousands on prep (i paid nothing close to this).

For the love of God. Read for comprehension.

Thank you all who actually read my posts and gave kind advice without fillling in the blanks and making up crap.

Your original post said, "They both do equally well at a rigorous school that is very stingy with As." I didn't write that I thought that your children were in private, but I am guessing that this statement made many readers assume private.

[Anonymous]

Shame on you, OP, for thinking there's something wrong with a child whose test scores are vastly above the national average. You're literally saying she's learning disabled because she's not in the top 1%. That test means NOTHING in the scope of future success. Her scores will get her into a vast number of quality schools. The best she can do is get away from her parents who unfairly compare her to her golden twin. The only thing that needs fixing here is you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:maybe they have slow processing speed and can get an accommodation on the SAT. Or is that too late to do before re-take? Has this been the pattern with standardized tests or did they take none, being in a private school?

Accommodations? For a kid who supposedly got 5s on AP exams?

Stop cheating.

Get real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:maybe they have slow processing speed and can get an accommodation on the SAT. Or is that too late to do before re-take? Has this been the pattern with standardized tests or did they take none, being in a private school?

Why does a 1410 indicate a slow processing speed???

[Anonymous]

Why shouldn't everyone try to extra-time their way to a perfect score?

[Anonymous]

Just stop. Do not push your child into tutoring, test prep, or any additional testing, including neuropsych testing (which is ridiculous). Their score is what it is, and it's good enough for a multitude of options, especially with great grades and AP scores. This is not the profile of a learning disabled child and trying to fix what isn't broken is going to cause far more harm than good. Just stop the testing and move on with what they have. The best thing they can do is attend a different university than their twin so they can be their own human without competition and comparison. Seriously, just stop harping on these otherwise excellent test scores. Make sure you let your child know you are proud of their successes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:maybe they have slow processing speed and can get an accommodation on the SAT. Or is that too late to do before re-take? Has this been the pattern with standardized tests or did they take none, being in a private school?

How is getting a 1410, in the top 5% , a slow processing speed or a problem that needs fixing? The kid has excellent scores. Just not top 1% scores like the twin. So probably won’t get into T20. No shame in that .