Why are kids with extreme behavior issues being mainstreamed?

[Anonymous]

In theory, I agree 100% that more programs need to be created. However, this goes back to the post about staffing. The number of special Ed positions either open or filled by people without special education degrees is concerning, to say the least.

The exodus is not close to being complete! Those of us who have stayed are have more and more responsibilities dumped on us. It hasn’t been sustainable for a long time.

There are sincerely so many parts of my job that I still love. I’ve been extremely frustrated with MCPS on many levels—including leadership. However, there is a level of entitlement and nastiness from parents like I’ve never seen before. Additionally, people seem to be coming out of the woodwork as “advocates” who have no business advising on special education AT ALL. They are dragging meetings out to pad their pockets and often have no clue what they are talking about. This means that special educators and general educators are pulled for hours of unnecessary meetings….so all other students suffer/lose out. There seem to be no reasonable boundaries.

The system as a whole is broken!

[Anonymous]

When regular kids are put in school with violent disruptive kids that commit violent crimes, and nothing is done about it, yes you absolutely contact the police at every opportunity.

[Anonymous]

“Regular Kids”…you seem like a gem!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Regular Kids”…you seem like a gem!

non-violent and non-disruptive

You seem like a looney.

[Anonymous]

To OP: nothing will be done by the school and you will regret not getting the police involved. This is how it always goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

Never had this at my kids MCPS schools so seems to be isolated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

Never had this at my kids MCPS schools so seems to be isolated.

It has become common unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

Never had this at my kids MCPS schools so seems to be isolated.

Are you in an affluent area? The SES kids with shadows are all new to the school. No idea where they went to school before since they don't interact much with my kid. Maybe MCPS is trying out something new. I just wish it wasn't at our school. Last year was uneventful. Our Principal is very inclusive and we like him. I believe he will do what is right for the rest of the kids and get this kid moved.

From what my child says, I think there are about 7 or 8 kids with shadows across the grades who came in new this year. Three in the 5th grade, 2 are fine and then there is this kid. I believe they are allowed to do what they want and shadow/aide follows them everywhere. A younger kid with a shadow, in another grade, caused a school lockdown by trying to run out of the school and many teachers had to restrain him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

OP this is why these violent kids are mainstreamed. It the parents.

This one shows zero empathy for the education of dozens of students that her kid is ruining. Not to mention the daily terror and learning to hate school she and her child are creating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Regular Kids”…you seem like a gem!

Normies then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

OP this is why these violent kids are mainstreamed. It the parents.

This one shows zero empathy for the education of dozens of students that her kid is ruining. Not to mention the daily terror and learning to hate school she and her child are creating.

You seem to misunderstand how things work. Every parent of kids with EDs we know want their kids in a supportive placement - NOT mainstream placement so they can better learn how to regulate themselves. It's the school districts that object and don't want to do the documentation or spend the money to get them that help. There's a shortage of qualified special ed teachers, school psychologists and social workers and they've never fully funded the law that set this situation up in the first place.

The best thing you can do is support these families so their children can get the help they need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

OP this is why these violent kids are mainstreamed. It the parents.

This one shows zero empathy for the education of dozens of students that her kid is ruining. Not to mention the daily terror and learning to hate school she and her child are creating.

You seem to misunderstand how things work. Every parent of kids with EDs we know want their kids in a supportive placement - NOT mainstream placement so they can better learn how to regulate themselves. It's the school districts that object and don't want to do the documentation or spend the money to get them that help. There's a shortage of qualified special ed teachers, school psychologists and social workers and they've never fully funded the law that set this situation up in the first place.

The best thing you can do is support these families so their children can get the help they need.

Again proving my point. No one in here do you show any empathy for the children you kid is ruining. In fact you even finish your post with me! me! me! me! Why do we have to support you when you have zero effs to give to children you are hurting?

I thank dog my kid is normal, but if he was threatening and hurting other kids and teachers, I would have the self awareness and empathy of others to remove him from that environment. Consequences be damned.

And we all know there are no consequences happening in MCPS for any reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

Never had this at my kids MCPS schools so seems to be isolated.

Are you in an affluent area? The SES kids with shadows are all new to the school. No idea where they went to school before since they don't interact much with my kid. Maybe MCPS is trying out something new. I just wish it wasn't at our school. Last year was uneventful. Our Principal is very inclusive and we like him. I believe he will do what is right for the rest of the kids and get this kid moved.

From what my child says, I think there are about 7 or 8 kids with shadows across the grades who came in new this year. Three in the 5th grade, 2 are fine and then there is this kid. I believe they are allowed to do what they want and shadow/aide follows them everywhere. A younger kid with a shadow, in another grade, caused a school lockdown by trying to run out of the school and many teachers had to restrain him.

It sounds like they have disbanded a special ed program elsewhere or moved it to your school and it's not working.

There was an SES program at my child's school and it was never like this. You barely noticed any difference between the kids in the SES program and the other mainstreamed kids. If there was a child close to a meltdown a para would help them leave the classroom and they would return when they were better. DC was friends with some of these kids and really I couldn't tell which kids were in the program and which were not. I've never heard of any violence towards other kids. Most of these kids ended up "graduating" from the program and just became regular mainstream students. I did hear of one that went to a more restrictive placement but that was an exception. This was over six full years.

Has someone contacted the district special ed superintendent to send more resources to the school or talked to the person who runs the SES program there about what's going on? The problem is not the kids. It's that someone is not allocating sufficient help for those kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

OP this is why these violent kids are mainstreamed. It the parents.

This one shows zero empathy for the education of dozens of students that her kid is ruining. Not to mention the daily terror and learning to hate school she and her child are creating.

You seem to misunderstand how things work. Every parent of kids with EDs we know want their kids in a supportive placement - NOT mainstream placement so they can better learn how to regulate themselves. It's the school districts that object and don't want to do the documentation or spend the money to get them that help. There's a shortage of qualified special ed teachers, school psychologists and social workers and they've never fully funded the law that set this situation up in the first place.

The best thing you can do is support these families so their children can get the help they need.

Again proving my point. No one in here do you show any empathy for the children you kid is ruining. In fact you even finish your post with me! me! me! me! Why do we have to support you when you have zero effs to give to children you are hurting?

I thank dog my kid is normal, but if he was threatening and hurting other kids and teachers, I would have the self awareness and empathy of others to remove him from that environment. Consequences be damned.

And we all know there are no consequences happening in MCPS for any reason.

I'm glad you "thank dog" your kid is "normal." WTF.

I don't have a kid with special needs much less in an SES program, but my child has benefited a lot from having kids with special needs in her classroom and having kids with special needs as friends so yes I do believe in inclusion. The parents who have objected to it have kids with undiagnosed special needs themselves. The one mom I remember complaining to everyone about the SES kids had a child who was struggling to learn how to read and crying and blamed it on the SES kids who were not disruptive. Two years later her child was diagnosed with dyslexia and generalized anxiety. She was just angry about her child being behind and wanted someone to blame.

Wild guess but there's something probably not really "normal" about your child and you are looking for excuses.

[Anonymous]

And people wonder why parents are fleeing to privates and homeschooling.