s/o New understanding of Harry & Meghan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This incidentally was a huge error on Oprah’s part, a well laid trap she walked right into. She aggressively distanced herself from M&H afterwards and I think it was because someone alerted her that she had been conned and she dropped them for their dishonesty.

Not only Oprah but also the Obamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I seldom comment on the BRF threads. But there is an important point a lot of people missed about that Oprah interview. M&H implied (and in fact basically got Oprah to say) that the reason their kids did not have prince and princess titles was racism because Meghan is biracial. This was a flat out lie and they knew it. The reason is to do with a pre-existing regulation whereby only grandchildren of the sitting monarch have prince & princess titles. The children of Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew’s grandchildren, lacked royal titles for the exact same reason. And indeed, when Charles ascended that generation received their titles and they knew all along they would.

This was race baiting of the lowest and most despicable order and they deserve to be shunned for it.

Meghan also said that the kids would not get security for this reason, and claimed that she wrote to the powers that be to beg for security not for herself but for her husband.

She lied and lied. Then she built additional lies on top of the first ones. I doubt she’ll return to the UK because she and her husband seem permanently loathed - whatever people think about monarchy or William or Kate specifically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This incidentally was a huge error on Oprah’s part, a well laid trap she walked right into. She aggressively distanced herself from M&H afterwards and I think it was because someone alerted her that she had been conned and she dropped them for their dishonesty.

Not only Oprah but also the Obamas.

Yup. Amal Clooney, the Obamas. The “intellectual activists in entertainment” won’t touch them with a 10-foot pole. Why? No BAFTA events in CA. No high-end events, no move to Wondery or Serial Productions after Bill Simmons of Spotify called them “f——-g grifters.” Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I seldom comment on the BRF threads. But there is an important point a lot of people missed about that Oprah interview. M&H implied (and in fact basically got Oprah to say) that the reason their kids did not have prince and princess titles was racism because Meghan is biracial. This was a flat out lie and they knew it. The reason is to do with a pre-existing regulation whereby only grandchildren of the sitting monarch have prince & princess titles. The children of Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew’s grandchildren, lacked royal titles for the exact same reason. And indeed, when Charles ascended that generation received their titles and they knew all along they would.

This was race baiting of the lowest and most despicable order and they deserve to be shunned for it.

Andrew’s child have the Princess title.

“Her middle names are Elizabeth and Mary, making her full name Princess Beatrice Elizabeth Mary of York, which appears on her birth certificate.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I seldom comment on the BRF threads. But there is an important point a lot of people missed about that Oprah interview. M&H implied (and in fact basically got Oprah to say) that the reason their kids did not have prince and princess titles was racism because Meghan is biracial. This was a flat out lie and they knew it. The reason is to do with a pre-existing regulation whereby only grandchildren of the sitting monarch have prince & princess titles. The children of Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew’s grandchildren, lacked royal titles for the exact same reason. And indeed, when Charles ascended that generation received their titles and they knew all along they would.

This was race baiting of the lowest and most despicable order and they deserve to be shunned for it.

You misunderstand. WHEN CHARLES TOOK THE THRONE, Archie is entitled to be a prince as the grandchild of the sitting monarch. But

The Sussexes indicated in the interview that they had expected Archie would be given the title of prince after Charles acceded the throne, but that they had been told that protocols would be changed - in line with Charles’s wish for a slimmed down monarchy - so that Archie would be excluded from becoming an HRH and prince.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/08/why-meghan-harry-son-archie-denied-title-prince-mixed-race

They DID change the rules so that Harry's kids wouldn't be HRH Prince/Princess

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My complaint with Meghan is not that she was lying, it's that she knew what she was getting into, so stfu. It's like going to a music festival and then issuing a press release complaining that all the loud music and drinking made it hard for you to sleep.

The royal family is very well known to be bonkers, co trolling and grossly unfair to second sons.

I think her main complaint is that they didn't change ON HER BEHALF. which duh, of course they won't.

I don’t think she expected the racism attack that she received nor the lack of support of the BRF press. And on top of that, no security detail for her or her children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I seldom comment on the BRF threads. But there is an important point a lot of people missed about that Oprah interview. M&H implied (and in fact basically got Oprah to say) that the reason their kids did not have prince and princess titles was racism because Meghan is biracial. This was a flat out lie and they knew it. The reason is to do with a pre-existing regulation whereby only grandchildren of the sitting monarch have prince & princess titles. The children of Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew’s grandchildren, lacked royal titles for the exact same reason. And indeed, when Charles ascended that generation received their titles and they knew all along they would.

This was race baiting of the lowest and most despicable order and they deserve to be shunned for it.

You misunderstand. WHEN CHARLES TOOK THE THRONE, Archie is entitled to be a prince as the grandchild of the sitting monarch. But

The Sussexes indicated in the interview that they had expected Archie would be given the title of prince after Charles acceded the throne, but that they had been told that protocols would be changed - in line with Charles’s wish for a slimmed down monarchy - so that Archie would be excluded from becoming an HRH and prince.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/08/why-meghan-harry-son-archie-denied-title-prince-mixed-race

They DID change the rules so that Harry's kids wouldn't be HRH Prince/Princess

They are Prince and Princess now. That's all that matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I seldom comment on the BRF threads. But there is an important point a lot of people missed about that Oprah interview. M&H implied (and in fact basically got Oprah to say) that the reason their kids did not have prince and princess titles was racism because Meghan is biracial. This was a flat out lie and they knew it. The reason is to do with a pre-existing regulation whereby only grandchildren of the sitting monarch have prince & princess titles. The children of Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew’s grandchildren, lacked royal titles for the exact same reason. And indeed, when Charles ascended that generation received their titles and they knew all along they would.

This was race baiting of the lowest and most despicable order and they deserve to be shunned for it.

You misunderstand. WHEN CHARLES TOOK THE THRONE, Archie is entitled to be a prince as the grandchild of the sitting monarch. But

The Sussexes indicated in the interview that they had expected Archie would be given the title of prince after Charles acceded the throne, but that they had been told that protocols would be changed - in line with Charles’s wish for a slimmed down monarchy - so that Archie would be excluded from becoming an HRH and prince.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/08/why-meghan-harry-son-archie-denied-title-prince-mixed-race

They DID change the rules so that Harry's kids wouldn't be HRH Prince/Princess

Charles has discussed cutting down on royals for many years. Well before Harry met Meghan. They decided they were being treated unfairly, lied to pretend there was a nefarious cause for pity and support, and have bolted, have been booed, and have wasted the goodwill they were granted by all but the dumbest among us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My complaint with Meghan is not that she was lying, it's that she knew what she was getting into, so stfu. It's like going to a music festival and then issuing a press release complaining that all the loud music and drinking made it hard for you to sleep.

The royal family is very well known to be bonkers, co trolling and grossly unfair to second sons.

I think her main complaint is that they didn't change ON HER BEHALF. which duh, of course they won't.

I don’t think she expected the racism attack that she received nor the lack of support of the BRF press. And on top of that, no security detail for her or her children.

Who, what, when, where, why? Surely there is abundant proof of hundreds of incidents to support all of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I seldom comment on the BRF threads. But there is an important point a lot of people missed about that Oprah interview. M&H implied (and in fact basically got Oprah to say) that the reason their kids did not have prince and princess titles was racism because Meghan is biracial. This was a flat out lie and they knew it. The reason is to do with a pre-existing regulation whereby only grandchildren of the sitting monarch have prince & princess titles. The children of Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew’s grandchildren, lacked royal titles for the exact same reason. And indeed, when Charles ascended that generation received their titles and they knew all along they would.

This was race baiting of the lowest and most despicable order and they deserve to be shunned for it.

You misunderstand. WHEN CHARLES TOOK THE THRONE, Archie is entitled to be a prince as the grandchild of the sitting monarch. But

The Sussexes indicated in the interview that they had expected Archie would be given the title of prince after Charles acceded the throne, but that they had been told that protocols would be changed - in line with Charles’s wish for a slimmed down monarchy - so that Archie would be excluded from becoming an HRH and prince.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/08/why-meghan-harry-son-archie-denied-title-prince-mixed-race

They DID change the rules so that Harry's kids wouldn't be HRH Prince/Princess

Harry and Meghan gave up the use of HRH when they stepped down from being working royals. It did not have anything to do with the children.

The children are using their titles as they are entitled to do as Grand y of the reigning king.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My complaint with Meghan is not that she was lying, it's that she knew what she was getting into, so stfu. It's like going to a music festival and then issuing a press release complaining that all the loud music and drinking made it hard for you to sleep.

The royal family is very well known to be bonkers, co trolling and grossly unfair to second sons.

I think her main complaint is that they didn't change ON HER BEHALF. which duh, of course they won't.

I don’t think she expected the racism attack that she received nor the lack of support of the BRF press. And on top of that, no security detail for her or her children.

Who, what, when, where, why? Surely there is abundant proof of hundreds of incidents to support all of this.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I think there are multiple sides. I think Harry is a nice guy, intends to be a good person, rather naive, damaged childhood, was living a weird life where he wasn’t really allowed to have a purpose as the “spare” falls in love with Meghan who I think has some delusions of grandeur, although also trying to be a nice person and is one of those people that kind of invite drama. She could have seen the sh$tshow that is the BRF from a mile away but she proceeded anyway. And I have no doubt there was racism and all that and they are in a difficult spot with needing all the expensive security but I also think they think they are entitled to a very privilege life. It’s all basically exhibit A why the monarchy shouldn’t exist. It really didn’t do Harry any favors.

I agree, and they are doing the right thing by raising their kids in California. At least those kids might have a chance to make happy lives away from the BRF.

[Anonymous]

I tend to believe most if not all of what H&M said about the RF; I also think they are codependent, damaged people from dysfunctional families who leave all manner of estrangement (family, friends, colleagues / business partners) in their wake.

All of these people are a mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I seldom comment on the BRF threads. But there is an important point a lot of people missed about that Oprah interview. M&H implied (and in fact basically got Oprah to say) that the reason their kids did not have prince and princess titles was racism because Meghan is biracial. This was a flat out lie and they knew it. The reason is to do with a pre-existing regulation whereby only grandchildren of the sitting monarch have prince & princess titles. The children of Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew’s grandchildren, lacked royal titles for the exact same reason. And indeed, when Charles ascended that generation received their titles and they knew all along they would.

This was race baiting of the lowest and most despicable order and they deserve to be shunned for it.

Andrew’s child have the Princess title.

“Her middle names are Elizabeth and Mary, making her full name Princess Beatrice Elizabeth Mary of York, which appears on her birth certificate.”

They have them now. They didn’t have them then. Not sure what your source is. H&M’s kids also have them now. The rule comes from the Letters Patent which long predates H&M.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I seldom comment on the BRF threads. But there is an important point a lot of people missed about that Oprah interview. M&H implied (and in fact basically got Oprah to say) that the reason their kids did not have prince and princess titles was racism because Meghan is biracial. This was a flat out lie and they knew it. The reason is to do with a pre-existing regulation whereby only grandchildren of the sitting monarch have prince & princess titles. The children of Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew’s grandchildren, lacked royal titles for the exact same reason. And indeed, when Charles ascended that generation received their titles and they knew all along they would.

This was race baiting of the lowest and most despicable order and they deserve to be shunned for it.

You misunderstand. WHEN CHARLES TOOK THE THRONE, Archie is entitled to be a prince as the grandchild of the sitting monarch. But

The Sussexes indicated in the interview that they had expected Archie would be given the title of prince after Charles acceded the throne, but that they had been told that protocols would be changed - in line with Charles’s wish for a slimmed down monarchy - so that Archie would be excluded from becoming an HRH and prince.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/08/why-meghan-harry-son-archie-denied-title-prince-mixed-race

They DID change the rules so that Harry's kids wouldn't be HRH Prince/Princess

No, they said nothing of the kind in the interview. And their kids are prince/princess now, not excluded at all, which was always going to be the case.