Doctor who died of allergic reaction at Disney Springs

[Anonymous]

Strange things they ordered. Lots of fried and battered items. I wonder if this warning is why they are only suing for $50K

From the menu:

Consuming raw or undercooked Meats, Poultry, Seafood or Shellfish may increase your risk of foodborne illness.Whilst we offer gluten friendly menu options, we are NOT a gluten free restaurant. Cross-contamination may occur and thus we CAN NOT GUARANTEE that any dish we prepare will be completely free of gluten/allergens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes restaurants just simply make mistakes.

When my son was 5, we ordered a sunbutter sandwich for him. It came out in a small plastic container (no label) and we spread it on the bread and gave it to him. He took one bite and refused to eat any more (turns out he doesn’t like sunbutter!). I looked at it and thought it didn’t look like sun butter upon closer reflection and sure enough, it was peanut butter.

Someone in the back clearly grabbed the wrong little container. Lots of lessons learned from that, and while he did have a reaction, luckily it was mild compared to what could’ve happened.

Your story is confusing.

Sorry. Let me try again. We ordered a sunbutter sandwich. Instead of a pre-made sandwich, they brought out the sunbutter/peanut butter in a small plastic container like what you get for dumpling sauce in a takeout Chinese order, as well as bread for the customer to make their own sandwich.

The restaurant had peanut butter and sun butter in the same kind of containers, stored next to each other. The server or kitchen grabbed the PB container instead of the sunbutter container. Lesson for the restaurant to not put two substances that look quite similar next to each other in the same kind of container and lesson for us to not order sun butter if peanut butter is also on the menu.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

This can't be right. Our kids can't eat peanuts at school because other kids might die, remember? So it's not just about what the person with the allergy has eaten supposedly they can die by touching something with the allergen on it like a handrail or door knob. Otherwise why are peanuts banned from school?

What does an individual school policy have to do with this?

As if it was only 1 School.... haha. But we're told no peanut b/c airborne, dust, residue, etc. But everyone is like no, not possible the Dr had to ingest the peanuts no other scenario is possible. Something doesn't add up.

A school policy is just that...a policy. You can agree or disagree with a policy.

For a food allergy, it must be ingested for anaphylactic shock. Sure, you could get contact hives or a rash. But not anaphylaxis.

There are stories aplenty about peanut allergy kids ingesting, and dying, at school from consuming such food. Not from smelling it.

FWIW, my kids don't go to a peanut-free school. I wouldn't care if they did, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Really sad. With a diary allergy that severe it’s really not safe to eat out at all.

It really is so sad. And I imagine it must be really tough for people with these allergies to walk that line between staying safe, and living a normal life! Poor woman just wanted to enjoy her evening with her family.

You are right that (I assume) she’d still be here had she prepared her dinner herself. But it does bring up an interesting point - IF (big if) the food was contaminated / the breading had nuts or dairy, it does seem like there should be liability here. I know the server is probably young and clueless and not making much money, but if that’s how it went down, that server basically killed her when he/she confirmed to her that the food was nut / dairy free.

I’m sure the assurance was coming from the kitchen. I doubt the server just unilaterally reassured them that everything was fine.

It's been a few years, but when we travelled to Disney with someone with an allergy, every single time they'd mention it to the waiter, the waiter basically stopped everything and went and got the chef. And then the chef talked about what was safe and not safe. At the buffet restaurant the chef literally walked this person around the buffet specifically pointing out what to avoid. So yes, I'm sure it was coming from the kitchen, or at least coming from a list created by the kitchen

That's standard at Disney restaurants and why Disney has such a good reputation in the allergy community. But I don't think Raglan Road is officially Disney, even though it's located at Disney Springs. There are several independent restaurants with locations in Disney Springs.

Agreed. It's possible the family didn't realize the difference between Disney and Disney Springs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

This can't be right. Our kids can't eat peanuts at school because other kids might die, remember? So it's not just about what the person with the allergy has eaten supposedly they can die by touching something with the allergen on it like a handrail or door knob. Otherwise why are peanuts banned from school?

What does an individual school policy have to do with this?

As if it was only 1 School.... haha. But we're told no peanut b/c airborne, dust, residue, etc. But everyone is like no, not possible the Dr had to ingest the peanuts no other scenario is possible. Something doesn't add up.

A school policy is just that...a policy. You can agree or disagree with a policy.

For a food allergy, it must be ingested for anaphylactic shock. Sure, you could get contact hives or a rash. But not anaphylaxis.

There are stories aplenty about peanut allergy kids ingesting, and dying, at school from consuming such food. Not from smelling it.

FWIW, my kids don't go to a peanut-free school. I wouldn't care if they did, though.

No peanuts is pretty standard at school, camps, planes, etc. The risk is from more than just eating, from what we are told. Why would a plane ban peanuts because of an allergic passenger? I think you just don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

This can't be right. Our kids can't eat peanuts at school because other kids might die, remember? So it's not just about what the person with the allergy has eaten supposedly they can die by touching something with the allergen on it like a handrail or door knob. Otherwise why are peanuts banned from school?

What does an individual school policy have to do with this?

As if it was only 1 School.... haha. But we're told no peanut b/c airborne, dust, residue, etc. But everyone is like no, not possible the Dr had to ingest the peanuts no other scenario is possible. Something doesn't add up.

A school policy is just that...a policy. You can agree or disagree with a policy.

For a food allergy, it must be ingested for anaphylactic shock. Sure, you could get contact hives or a rash. But not anaphylaxis.

There are stories aplenty about peanut allergy kids ingesting, and dying, at school from consuming such food. Not from smelling it.

FWIW, my kids don't go to a peanut-free school. I wouldn't care if they did, though.

No peanuts is pretty standard at school, camps, planes, etc. The risk is from more than just eating, from what we are told. Why would a plane ban peanuts because of an allergic passenger? I think you just don't know what you're talking about.

Even if you are allergic to peanuts, touching, smelling or inhaling particles from peanuts cannot cause an allergic reaction—at least not the serious, life-threatening type that everyone with a peanut allergy fears. You are not in danger unless you eat them.

https://healthtalk.unchealthcare.org/can-simply-smelling-peanuts-cause-an-allergic-reaction/#:~:text=Even%20if%20you%20are%20allergic,danger%20unless%20you%20eat%20them.

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Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

This can't be right. Our kids can't eat peanuts at school because other kids might die, remember? So it's not just about what the person with the allergy has eaten supposedly they can die by touching something with the allergen on it like a handrail or door knob. Otherwise why are peanuts banned from school?

What does an individual school policy have to do with this?

As if it was only 1 School.... haha. But we're told no peanut b/c airborne, dust, residue, etc. But everyone is like no, not possible the Dr had to ingest the peanuts no other scenario is possible. Something doesn't add up.

A school policy is just that...a policy. You can agree or disagree with a policy.

For a food allergy, it must be ingested for anaphylactic shock. Sure, you could get contact hives or a rash. But not anaphylaxis.

There are stories aplenty about peanut allergy kids ingesting, and dying, at school from consuming such food. Not from smelling it.

FWIW, my kids don't go to a peanut-free school. I wouldn't care if they did, though.

No peanuts is pretty standard at school, camps, planes, etc. The risk is from more than just eating, from what we are told. Why would a plane ban peanuts because of an allergic passenger? I think you just don't know what you're talking about.

Ah, you're a troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

This can't be right. Our kids can't eat peanuts at school because other kids might die, remember? So it's not just about what the person with the allergy has eaten supposedly they can die by touching something with the allergen on it like a handrail or door knob. Otherwise why are peanuts banned from school?

What does an individual school policy have to do with this?

As if it was only 1 School.... haha. But we're told no peanut b/c airborne, dust, residue, etc. But everyone is like no, not possible the Dr had to ingest the peanuts no other scenario is possible. Something doesn't add up.

A school policy is just that...a policy. You can agree or disagree with a policy.

For a food allergy, it must be ingested for anaphylactic shock. Sure, you could get contact hives or a rash. But not anaphylaxis.

There are stories aplenty about peanut allergy kids ingesting, and dying, at school from consuming such food. Not from smelling it.

FWIW, my kids don't go to a peanut-free school. I wouldn't care if they did, though.

No peanuts is pretty standard at school, camps, planes, etc. The risk is from more than just eating, from what we are told. Why would a plane ban peanuts because of an allergic passenger? I think you just don't know what you're talking about.

Even if you are allergic to peanuts, touching, smelling or inhaling particles from peanuts cannot cause an allergic reaction—at least not the serious, life-threatening type that everyone with a peanut allergy fears. You are not in danger unless you eat them.

https://healthtalk.unchealthcare.org/can-simply-smelling-peanuts-cause-an-allergic-reaction/#:~:text=Even%20if%20you%20are%20allergic,danger%20unless%20you%20eat%20them.

That is false. Rare, but happens. Therefore, how can we know where the Dr was exposed to her allergen?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2651849/#:~:text=Anaphylaxis%20has%20been%20reported%20to,allergic%20to%20soybean%20and%20peanut.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

This can't be right. Our kids can't eat peanuts at school because other kids might die, remember? So it's not just about what the person with the allergy has eaten supposedly they can die by touching something with the allergen on it like a handrail or door knob. Otherwise why are peanuts banned from school?

What does an individual school policy have to do with this?

As if it was only 1 School.... haha. But we're told no peanut b/c airborne, dust, residue, etc. But everyone is like no, not possible the Dr had to ingest the peanuts no other scenario is possible. Something doesn't add up.

A school policy is just that...a policy. You can agree or disagree with a policy.

For a food allergy, it must be ingested for anaphylactic shock. Sure, you could get contact hives or a rash. But not anaphylaxis.

There are stories aplenty about peanut allergy kids ingesting, and dying, at school from consuming such food. Not from smelling it.

FWIW, my kids don't go to a peanut-free school. I wouldn't care if they did, though.

No peanuts is pretty standard at school, camps, planes, etc. The risk is from more than just eating, from what we are told. Why would a plane ban peanuts because of an allergic passenger? I think you just don't know what you're talking about.

Ah, you're a troll.

I'm the troll? The people insisting they are allergy experts are the people out of line here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes restaurants just simply make mistakes.

When my son was 5, we ordered a sunbutter sandwich for him. It came out in a small plastic container (no label) and we spread it on the bread and gave it to him. He took one bite and refused to eat any more (turns out he doesn’t like sunbutter!). I looked at it and thought it didn’t look like sun butter upon closer reflection and sure enough, it was peanut butter.

Someone in the back clearly grabbed the wrong little container. Lots of lessons learned from that, and while he did have a reaction, luckily it was mild compared to what could’ve happened.

Your story is confusing.

Sorry. Let me try again. We ordered a sunbutter sandwich. Instead of a pre-made sandwich, they brought out the sunbutter/peanut butter in a small plastic container like what you get for dumpling sauce in a takeout Chinese order, as well as bread for the customer to make their own sandwich.

The restaurant had peanut butter and sun butter in the same kind of containers, stored next to each other. The server or kitchen grabbed the PB container instead of the sunbutter container. Lesson for the restaurant to not put two substances that look quite similar next to each other in the same kind of container and lesson for us to not order sun butter if peanut butter is also on the menu.

Your kid took a bite of peanut butter and refused to eat more because he doesn't like sunbutter. Is sunbutter peanut butter?

[Anonymous]

The 50K number is weird. 76k is the minimum for diversity jurisdiction under the amount in controversy provision, so it’s really common to see “more than $75,000” in a complaint. It was $50,000 priori to 1996 but that was a loooong time ago. Maybe there’s some state law trigger for 50K that takes it out of one court and into another. Maryland has some cutoff for the distinction between circuit and district cour. I would not assume that the damages minimum in the complaint means anything about the strength of the case or the goals of the plaintiffs.

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Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

This can't be right. Our kids can't eat peanuts at school because other kids might die, remember? So it's not just about what the person with the allergy has eaten supposedly they can die by touching something with the allergen on it like a handrail or door knob. Otherwise why are peanuts banned from school?

What does an individual school policy have to do with this?

As if it was only 1 School.... haha. But we're told no peanut b/c airborne, dust, residue, etc. But everyone is like no, not possible the Dr had to ingest the peanuts no other scenario is possible. Something doesn't add up.

A school policy is just that...a policy. You can agree or disagree with a policy.

For a food allergy, it must be ingested for anaphylactic shock. Sure, you could get contact hives or a rash. But not anaphylaxis.

There are stories aplenty about peanut allergy kids ingesting, and dying, at school from consuming such food. Not from smelling it.

FWIW, my kids don't go to a peanut-free school. I wouldn't care if they did, though.

No peanuts is pretty standard at school, camps, planes, etc. The risk is from more than just eating, from what we are told. Why would a plane ban peanuts because of an allergic passenger? I think you just don't know what you're talking about.

Ah, you're a troll.

How could I not know something that actually happened on a plane I was on? This was Air Canada in December.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes restaurants just simply make mistakes.

When my son was 5, we ordered a sunbutter sandwich for him. It came out in a small plastic container (no label) and we spread it on the bread and gave it to him. He took one bite and refused to eat any more (turns out he doesn’t like sunbutter!). I looked at it and thought it didn’t look like sun butter upon closer reflection and sure enough, it was peanut butter.

Someone in the back clearly grabbed the wrong little container. Lots of lessons learned from that, and while he did have a reaction, luckily it was mild compared to what could’ve happened.

Your story is confusing.

Sorry. Let me try again. We ordered a sunbutter sandwich. Instead of a pre-made sandwich, they brought out the sunbutter/peanut butter in a small plastic container like what you get for dumpling sauce in a takeout Chinese order, as well as bread for the customer to make their own sandwich.

The restaurant had peanut butter and sun butter in the same kind of containers, stored next to each other. The server or kitchen grabbed the PB container instead of the sunbutter container. Lesson for the restaurant to not put two substances that look quite similar next to each other in the same kind of container and lesson for us to not order sun butter if peanut butter is also on the menu.

Your kid took a bite of peanut butter and refused to eat more because he doesn't like sunbutter. Is sunbutter peanut butter?

DP. Pay attention! Sunbutter is a peanut free food that subs for peanut butter.
Her son could probably tell he wasn’t eating sun butter,
My son is also allergic to peanuts and even being in close proximity makes him feel sick.

[Anonymous]

Anyone following the lawsuit updates? Disney is citing TOS from signing up for Disney + to force arbitration. They’re also claiming they don’t own/operate the restaurant even though it is on Disney property in an area with the name Disney Springs.

Ultimately Disney may be able to win in the court of law on this, but I can’t help but think this is not going to go over well in the court of public opinion. Had they just settled I imagine a lot of people (outside the allergy community) may have forgotten about this incident. But now we are all realizing we’re signing over any rights to sue for anything totally unrelated just by signing up to watch movies.

Also, the average customer is going to expect a restaurant on Disney property to have some sort of oversight by Disney. It seems disingenuous that they’ll put their name on something so it can make them more money S landlord, but then say sorry we’re not responsible.

It reminds me of the little girl who was killed by a pool suction pipe when the cap was negligently not installed following a renovation. The hotel was called a Hilton but Hilton claims they just license out the name and aren’t responsible for the hotel. This creates such a false sense that when you’re eating at a restaurant, staying at a hotel, etc. that certain standards are being met based on the company’s reputation. This seems so unfair to consumers I don’t see how this allowed.

[Anonymous]

It is so awful.

And legally gross. Disney won’t let it go to court. The victim signed up for Disney Plus & in the agreement there is an item saying that any legal matters would be dealt through arbitration instead of the courtroom. Bogus.