Doctor who died of allergic reaction at Disney Springs

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Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

She was alone after. I wonder if they have retraced her steps and what stores she went to.

Given she's been navigating this allergy successfully for years, it was most likely the restaurant's poor food handling and not her buying something random from a store. But, they can check for that.

But can’t some of these allergies be triggered by exposure through air or contact? She passed out in planet Hollywood which is itself a restaurant—if they were frying food in peanut oil, might that do it? Or if some kid with PB covered hands had oicked up the item she was browsing before her?
I’ve seen some people recommend always traveling with two epi pens because one is insufficient for a severe reaction. Sounds like she self administered one but didn’t have a second and it didn’t mention Benadryl which may have also bought her some time.

I do think restaurants need better processes for dealing with allergens. With so many chefs working in back plus now many things are sourced outside the restaurant (sauces etc), it’s very difficult to get a definitive answer in a large hectic restaurant like this.

Best practice is probably not to split up after a meal like this, just in case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

She was alone after. I wonder if they have retraced her steps and what stores she went to.

Given she's been navigating this allergy successfully for years, it was most likely the restaurant's poor food handling and not her buying something random from a store. But, they can check for that.

But can’t some of these allergies be triggered by exposure through air or contact? She passed out in planet Hollywood which is itself a restaurant—if they were frying food in peanut oil, might that do it? Or if some kid with PB covered hands had oicked up the item she was browsing before her?
I’ve seen some people recommend always traveling with two epi pens because one is insufficient for a severe reaction. Sounds like she self administered one but didn’t have a second and it didn’t mention Benadryl which may have also bought her some time.

I do think restaurants need better processes for dealing with allergens. With so many chefs working in back plus now many things are sourced outside the restaurant (sauces etc), it’s very difficult to get a definitive answer in a large hectic restaurant like this.

Best practice is probably not to split up after a meal like this, just in case.

Knowing what I know about restaurants I am really surprised people with severe allergies eat out at all. It is literally putting your life in the hands of a whole bunch of people who are not qualified for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

This can't be right. Our kids can't eat peanuts at school because other kids might die, remember? So it's not just about what the person with the allergy has eaten supposedly they can die by touching something with the allergen on it like a handrail or door knob. Otherwise why are peanuts banned from school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

She was alone after. I wonder if they have retraced her steps and what stores she went to.

Given she's been navigating this allergy successfully for years, it was most likely the restaurant's poor food handling and not her buying something random from a store. But, they can check for that.

But can’t some of these allergies be triggered by exposure through air or contact? She passed out in planet Hollywood which is itself a restaurant—if they were frying food in peanut oil, might that do it? Or if some kid with PB covered hands had oicked up the item she was browsing before her?
I’ve seen some people recommend always traveling with two epi pens because one is insufficient for a severe reaction. Sounds like she self administered one but didn’t have a second and it didn’t mention Benadryl which may have also bought her some time.

I do think restaurants need better processes for dealing with allergens. With so many chefs working in back plus now many things are sourced outside the restaurant (sauces etc), it’s very difficult to get a definitive answer in a large hectic restaurant like this.

Best practice is probably not to split up after a meal like this, just in case.

Touching/smelling peanut oil will not cause anaphylaxis. You need to ingest it.

But, yes. I travel with two epipens and Benadryl. Hopefully I have time to administer them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

She was alone after. I wonder if they have retraced her steps and what stores she went to.

Given she's been navigating this allergy successfully for years, it was most likely the restaurant's poor food handling and not her buying something random from a store. But, they can check for that.

But can’t some of these allergies be triggered by exposure through air or contact? She passed out in planet Hollywood which is itself a restaurant—if they were frying food in peanut oil, might that do it? Or if some kid with PB covered hands had oicked up the item she was browsing before her?
I’ve seen some people recommend always traveling with two epi pens because one is insufficient for a severe reaction. Sounds like she self administered one but didn’t have a second and it didn’t mention Benadryl which may have also bought her some time.

I do think restaurants need better processes for dealing with allergens. With so many chefs working in back plus now many things are sourced outside the restaurant (sauces etc), it’s very difficult to get a definitive answer in a large hectic restaurant like this.

Best practice is probably not to split up after a meal like this, just in case.

Touching/smelling peanut oil will not cause anaphylaxis. You need to ingest it.

But, yes. I travel with two epipens and Benadryl. Hopefully I have time to administer them.

There is a lot of miseducation out there. Because peanut allergy parents don't want peanuts anywhere near parks or schools and it's not because they worry their kids will eat them they talk about dust and remnants being left behind. I remember a lengthy post here about Bamba at the park. I guess we can rest easy now knowing that a speck of Bamba product isn't as deadly as some would have us believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

She was alone after. I wonder if they have retraced her steps and what stores she went to.

Given she's been navigating this allergy successfully for years, it was most likely the restaurant's poor food handling and not her buying something random from a store. But, they can check for that.

But can’t some of these allergies be triggered by exposure through air or contact? She passed out in planet Hollywood which is itself a restaurant—if they were frying food in peanut oil, might that do it? Or if some kid with PB covered hands had oicked up the item she was browsing before her?
I’ve seen some people recommend always traveling with two epi pens because one is insufficient for a severe reaction. Sounds like she self administered one but didn’t have a second and it didn’t mention Benadryl which may have also bought her some time.

I do think restaurants need better processes for dealing with allergens. With so many chefs working in back plus now many things are sourced outside the restaurant (sauces etc), it’s very difficult to get a definitive answer in a large hectic restaurant like this.

Best practice is probably not to split up after a meal like this, just in case.

I have a child with peanut and treenut allergies and yes, he/we always carry two Epi-pens all the time.

I will say, though, there’s some disagreement in the allergy community over Benadryl. For a single reaction like hives or skin itchiness, Benadryl isn’t a bad idea. But once you get into anaphylaxis, some doctors say that giving Benadryl can do more harm because it can mask the signs of anaphylaxis, causing people to either not epi or to epi too late. So my child’s allergy plan does not say to Benadryl him if there is known ingestion- the plan is to move straight to epinephrine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

This can't be right. Our kids can't eat peanuts at school because other kids might die, remember? So it's not just about what the person with the allergy has eaten supposedly they can die by touching something with the allergen on it like a handrail or door knob. Otherwise why are peanuts banned from school?

What does an individual school policy have to do with this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

She was alone after. I wonder if they have retraced her steps and what stores she went to.

Given she's been navigating this allergy successfully for years, it was most likely the restaurant's poor food handling and not her buying something random from a store. But, they can check for that.

But can’t some of these allergies be triggered by exposure through air or contact? She passed out in planet Hollywood which is itself a restaurant—if they were frying food in peanut oil, might that do it? Or if some kid with PB covered hands had oicked up the item she was browsing before her?
I’ve seen some people recommend always traveling with two epi pens because one is insufficient for a severe reaction. Sounds like she self administered one but didn’t have a second and it didn’t mention Benadryl which may have also bought her some time.

I do think restaurants need better processes for dealing with allergens. With so many chefs working in back plus now many things are sourced outside the restaurant (sauces etc), it’s very difficult to get a definitive answer in a large hectic restaurant like this.

Best practice is probably not to split up after a meal like this, just in case.

Touching/smelling peanut oil will not cause anaphylaxis. You need to ingest it.

But, yes. I travel with two epipens and Benadryl. Hopefully I have time to administer them.

There is a lot of miseducation out there. Because peanut allergy parents don't want peanuts anywhere near parks or schools and it's not because they worry their kids will eat them they talk about dust and remnants being left behind. I remember a lengthy post here about Bamba at the park. I guess we can rest easy now knowing that a speck of Bamba product isn't as deadly as some would have us believe.

I was on a plane recently and they served nothing with nuts. I know because my ds asked for nuts (on snack menu) and the FA told us no, we have a passenger with a severe allergy so no nuts on this flight. Totally fine, but I wondered to myself how it would work out if someone next/around whoever that was brought peanuts on board. Could the person have a severe allergy?

[Anonymous]

Onion rings and corn fritters seem like things that would have dairy in the batter. how else would they make the batter if not with milk or buttermilk? if you google both recipes, both include milk. not blaming this person since it is clearly the restaurant's fault but seems like two menu items that would increase the risk.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really sad and scary.

My child has gluten allergy. We went to Cheesecake Factory once and ordered the GF pasta, verified twice with the waitress that it was GF. After taking two bites, DC started to have reaction and vomited on the way to the bathroom. Thankfully he was okay after that. But the restaurant denied that there's any possibility of cross contamination, which was infuriating because the reaction was right there, on their premise! I've since read many similar stories about Cheesecake Factory--they don't take food allergies very seriously.

They have a HUGE menu. I think it's more difficult for places who serve so much in such volumes to keep track. I am surprised more places don't say they can't accommodate allergies because it is such a huge responsibility.

They have a limited children's menu and on that menu they specifically indicated GF pasta. When a restaurant put something as free of an allergen in print on their menu, people tend to trust that over other choices.

someone messed up and plated one of the regular pastas.

Or, as I have often experienced as a GF diner, they will boil it in the same pot as the regular pasta or with the same water. I have celiac disease and not an allergy, so thankfully the GI explosives take longer than two bites to start.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I always taste my kids food first. I can tell kid is gluten free right away

You are some sort of chromatograph?

You can tell if something is grossly gluten free, perhaps, but you can’t tell if it is completely free of contamination. Nice try though

My past was an add on to Someone who said they were served regular pasta instead of gluten free pasta. If my child was so sensitive that, she was worried about cross contamination she would not be able to eat out

[Anonymous]

Sometimes restaurants just simply make mistakes.

When my son was 5, we ordered a sunbutter sandwich for him. It came out in a small plastic container (no label) and we spread it on the bread and gave it to him. He took one bite and refused to eat any more (turns out he doesn’t like sunbutter!). I looked at it and thought it didn’t look like sun butter upon closer reflection and sure enough, it was peanut butter.

Someone in the back clearly grabbed the wrong little container. Lots of lessons learned from that, and while he did have a reaction, luckily it was mild compared to what could’ve happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes restaurants just simply make mistakes.

When my son was 5, we ordered a sunbutter sandwich for him. It came out in a small plastic container (no label) and we spread it on the bread and gave it to him. He took one bite and refused to eat any more (turns out he doesn’t like sunbutter!). I looked at it and thought it didn’t look like sun butter upon closer reflection and sure enough, it was peanut butter.

Someone in the back clearly grabbed the wrong little container. Lots of lessons learned from that, and while he did have a reaction, luckily it was mild compared to what could’ve happened.

Your story is confusing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can have an allergic reaction anywhere between 15 minutes to hours later. A 45-minute delay is completely within the normal range.

None of this proves that she couldn't have been exposed to something after the meal. She could have come into contact with an allergen anywhere.

Sure, if she ate something later. But, if she didn't eat anything later, then no.

This can't be right. Our kids can't eat peanuts at school because other kids might die, remember? So it's not just about what the person with the allergy has eaten supposedly they can die by touching something with the allergen on it like a handrail or door knob. Otherwise why are peanuts banned from school?

What does an individual school policy have to do with this?

As if it was only 1 School.... haha. But we're told no peanut b/c airborne, dust, residue, etc. But everyone is like no, not possible the Dr had to ingest the peanuts no other scenario is possible. Something doesn't add up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Onion rings and corn fritters seem like things that would have dairy in the batter. how else would they make the batter if not with milk or buttermilk? if you google both recipes, both include milk. not blaming this person since it is clearly the restaurant's fault but seems like two menu items that would increase the risk.

They can use beer in the batter instead of milk and I’d think that’s what they’d use with the onion rings, although they aren’t marked as vegan on the menu so that does suggest dairy. Irish restaurants are typically good for GF because so many Irish are gluten intolerant or celiac but I would think Irish would be terrible for dairy free as the Irish consume dairy like air. Especially if it wasn’t marked as vegan, I’d assume dairy.

My dad has a serious allergy so I grew up with him interrogating wait staff and chefs about ingredients. He’s had chefs bring him to the back kitchen to ask him about ingredients. I’ve called ahead to talk to chefs and translated in a couple different languages. He’s been to the ER a couple times and it was in tourist places with well respected but very busy large restaurants. Celebrity chef type places where I suspect there are a lot of layers in the back kitchen. Cruises are usually really good because no one wants an emergency on the boat.