One by one, the lockdown myths are crumbling

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:School closures and the masking of small children. My youngest was in K when schools closed. Some kids have never caught up with reading and speech.

Older kids were hit with a suicide epidemic.

No, kids aren’t okay.

Wait, you are talking about K with speech disorders? Most kids talk between 1.5-3, so this isn't a covid issue, it's a parenting issue as parents failed to get them help starting at 2-3 when they had an issue. And, most probably didn't work with their kids at home or have them participate in virtual, so they missed a year of school. Mine were reading before K as we taught them.

+100

Yes, a lot of the covid measures went on for too long.

But there are also a LOT of parents who are blaming their child's delays on covid, instead of their own (lack of) parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Much of the lockdown experience was related to privilege (or lack of) as discussed in these comments: “just hire help” “just fly your kid home from college every time there is a quarantine” etc etc. Many did not have the funds to do those things. Many parents had to work (and not from home either- although that was not much easier in many cases). Yes, many restaurants survived- but most that closed were small businesses (as opposed to chain restaurants).

Again, MCPS and other places offered low cost child care to those who needed it. Clearly you didn't pay attention. If you cannot afford to fly to your college kid, they should have been at a different school, closer.

Many businesses got government help. Especially the small ones. Local and federal government help. And, if they did not do well, that was on them for not changing their business model. Some were iffy at best before covid and needed to close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Much of the lockdown experience was related to privilege (or lack of) as discussed in these comments: “just hire help” “just fly your kid home from college every time there is a quarantine” etc etc. Many did not have the funds to do those things. Many parents had to work (and not from home either- although that was not much easier in many cases). Yes, many restaurants survived- but most that closed were small businesses (as opposed to chain restaurants).

I'm sure you could have afforded help. You probably live in a million-dollar house and scream poverty. Funny how most of us with less resources made it work. Why couldn't you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This article from the UK seems to acknowledge what many of us have come to realize: many of the protocols imposed in response to Covid were simply wrong:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/31/one-by-one-the-lockdown-myths-are-crumbling/

What Covid measure do you feel was the most harmful to society, and are we doomed to repeat it next time?

Due to the way the pandemic was mishandled- no one will listen next time. So- no.

I agree with this; any attempt at lockdowns, school closures, etc. in the event of a future pandemic will be met with hostility and/or refusal. I think in that way, we will not repeat the past mistakes.

And if a future pandemic is more deadly --- we may be in serious trouble when no one cares.

Future pandemics are likely. And they are likely to be more deadly.

A friend at NIH ran down a whole list for me of the know human pathogens which have caused minor outbreaks, but were contained.

From Ebola to SARS to a whole list of ones I hadn’t heard of, they were all more lethal than Covid.

There will be future pandemics. Of that you can be certain.

Of course there will.

There have been pandemics for as long as man has existed. To think otherwise is silly. And that was our problem. We were arrogant enough to think we could contain something like this

[Anonymous]

I think, we need to get sanitary faucets installed in our toilets. Because you do not want to be traumatized when toilet paper run out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

+1

Our kids were in lower elementary when COVID hit in March 2020 and missed the rest of that year but they were back to school in-person starting August 2020 and every day thereafter. No one from their school, to this day, has died from COVID. Can I prove if someone's grandparent died because a kid was in school? No, but faculty and staff and kids were all fine, and presumably their immediate families were as well or we would have heard of it (it's a very tightknit school community). I feel terrible for the kids who weren't as lucky to have stayed in school. And no, I don't blame the teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:School closures and the masking of small children. My youngest was in K when schools closed. Some kids have never caught up with reading and speech.

Older kids were hit with a suicide epidemic.

No, kids aren’t okay.

Wait, you are talking about K with speech disorders? Most kids talk between 1.5-3, so this isn't a covid issue, it's a parenting issue as parents failed to get them help starting at 2-3 when they had an issue. And, most probably didn't work with their kids at home or have them participate in virtual, so they missed a year of school. Mine were reading before K as we taught them.

honestly you’re such a tiresome b

That's' the best thing you can come up with. These kids were in K. Their speech issues were prior to covid ad their parents failed to get them help. So, they blame covid instead of themselves.

that’s right - the only response to you is that you are a hypochondriac b and nobody should ever listen to your type again.

Grow up and stop being so self-absorbed. If the complaint was speech delays or a disorder (and at age five its a disorder) that means that those parents failed to get them help prior to K, which is on them when there is free help through the school system. Even in-pereson these kids would have struggled with speech as there is very little help in public schools for reading disorders or speech disorders. Kids have them. It has nothing to do with covid.

I'm sorry your homelife is so miserable that you need to take it out on others rather than taking that time to slow down and enjoy your kids and family. It must really suck. Get some mental health treatment if you are still struggling with it years later.

[Anonymous]

We should’ve followed France’s lead: children remain in school, everyone else gets locked down.

Break the lockdown? Cops take you home, take down your name. Next time you break lockdown, you go to jail.

France had the most school days of any modern country during the 2020-2021 period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

+1

Our kids were in lower elementary when COVID hit in March 2020 and missed the rest of that year but they were back to school in-person starting August 2020 and every day thereafter. No one from their school, to this day, has died from COVID. Can I prove if someone's grandparent died because a kid was in school? No, but faculty and staff and kids were all fine, and presumably their immediate families were as well or we would have heard of it (it's a very tightknit school community). I feel terrible for the kids who weren't as lucky to have stayed in school. And no, I don't blame the teachers.

Saying no one from their school died of covid as a justification means nothing. Because you or your child has covid, brings it out in the community, it could kill someone else but you wouldn't know about it. That's how my parent died. Someone at their independent living facility had covid, sat at a table with them, spread it and a few weeks later my parent was dead.

So, what's going on at home that is so terrible that you need to get your kids out of the house and have others care for them.

My kids did great in virtual. It was nice spending the extra time with them. You and your attitude was why your family failed during that time.

[Anonymous]

The inconsistency of the lockdown restrictions tipped off anyone paying attention. I lived in Seattle at the time, and they closed all the city parks, beaches, and WA state parks in Spring 2020. Playgrounds near me were fenced off for over a year, but when homeless encampments took over parks, that was okay. Large crowded protests were fine, but a year later public schools were still closed. If the messaging is inconsistent, people will rightly question it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

+1

Our kids were in lower elementary when COVID hit in March 2020 and missed the rest of that year but they were back to school in-person starting August 2020 and every day thereafter. No one from their school, to this day, has died from COVID. Can I prove if someone's grandparent died because a kid was in school? No, but faculty and staff and kids were all fine, and presumably their immediate families were as well or we would have heard of it (it's a very tightknit school community). I feel terrible for the kids who weren't as lucky to have stayed in school. And no, I don't blame the teachers.

Saying no one from their school died of covid as a justification means nothing. Because you or your child has covid, brings it out in the community, it could kill someone else but you wouldn't know about it. That's how my parent died. Someone at their independent living facility had covid, sat at a table with them, spread it and a few weeks later my parent was dead.

So, what's going on at home that is so terrible that you need to get your kids out of the house and have others care for them.

My kids did great in virtual. It was nice spending the extra time with them. You and your attitude was why your family failed during that time.

DP. I'm sorry for your loss.

But it isn't an excuse to be a jerk to people.

[Anonymous]

Closing schools for so long is indefensible. A you whack jobs defending it aren’t too bright. The entirety of Europe opened schools by Sept of 2020. Of course we could open bars and restaurants but kept schools closed. A travesty with multiple ramifications on society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

+1

Our kids were in lower elementary when COVID hit in March 2020 and missed the rest of that year but they were back to school in-person starting August 2020 and every day thereafter. No one from their school, to this day, has died from COVID. Can I prove if someone's grandparent died because a kid was in school? No, but faculty and staff and kids were all fine, and presumably their immediate families were as well or we would have heard of it (it's a very tightknit school community). I feel terrible for the kids who weren't as lucky to have stayed in school. And no, I don't blame the teachers.

Saying no one from their school died of covid as a justification means nothing. Because you or your child has covid, brings it out in the community, it could kill someone else but you wouldn't know about it. That's how my parent died. Someone at their independent living facility had covid, sat at a table with them, spread it and a few weeks later my parent was dead.

So, what's going on at home that is so terrible that you need to get your kids out of the house and have others care for them.

My kids did great in virtual. It was nice spending the extra time with them. You and your attitude was why your family failed during that time.

Failed during that time is better than failing at life, as I’m sure you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The inconsistency of the lockdown restrictions tipped off anyone paying attention. I lived in Seattle at the time, and they closed all the city parks, beaches, and WA state parks in Spring 2020. Playgrounds near me were fenced off for over a year, but when homeless encampments took over parks, that was okay. Large crowded protests were fine, but a year later public schools were still closed. If the messaging is inconsistent, people will rightly question it.

COVID knows what is a valid protest. Why do we keep having to explain this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The inconsistency of the lockdown restrictions tipped off anyone paying attention. I lived in Seattle at the time, and they closed all the city parks, beaches, and WA state parks in Spring 2020. Playgrounds near me were fenced off for over a year, but when homeless encampments took over parks, that was okay. Large crowded protests were fine, but a year later public schools were still closed. If the messaging is inconsistent, people will rightly question it.

Why don't you offer up a room to someone homeless to get them out of the parks and give them a place to live?