Feedback on full IB in mcps

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Anonymous wrote:Theres a lot less flexibility since you sign up for the two year package, the courses in math and science are are less rigurous, presumably there is more writing to make up for these shrtcomings. Not sure a 10 page writeup at the end redeems all these shortcomings, and the extended essay format is somewhat artificial and awkward. Other aspects of the program like the theory of knowledge feel gimmicky, nowhere will you find anything similar. The writing preparation seems to be focusing on the quantity instead of quality, but of course it depends on school, teacher and the student.

maybe, but the TOK and EE essays are graded by the IB org.

I didn't read all of DC's papers in IBDP, but I do know that they had to do a ton of research and experiment for their EE. DC chose the EE for their IB HL math class.

IMO, this is one of the best parts of IBDP - the research and analytical writing. I don't think the AP English classes do this much writing.

I’m wondering what kind of experiment you’d do for a high level math extended essay, perhaps you’re confused about what he actually did. Undergrad math and science classes are still mostly problem sets, lab reports and exams, do these well and you’re not going to be unprepared.

The theory of knowledge essay exemplifies how inflexible the program is, the topic doesn’t strike me as so important that every student has to write a paper on it. Also not a big fan of minimum word length requirements, makes some students adopt a convoluted writing style.

The AP diploma, research and capstone, is very similar but definitely not as successful as the IB program. Either students interested in writing gravitate towards IB or when given the choice prefer a class more focused on building the knowledge base that might help them more with college admissions.

You can wonder all you want, but I read DC's paper, and saw DC do the experiments. They got a 1580 on the SAT and is studying CS, straight As in college so far.

AP classes are nothing like IB classes. DC and all of the IB kids take both AP and IB classes. How many kids do you know who self study for IB exams, and get a 7? Whereas plenty of IB students self study for AP exams and get 5s, my DC included.

Almost all IB students have stated that IB has prepared them well for college. I don't think all AP students can say the same.

You post this dribble a lot. You've never had a kid who took both AP and IB, yet you have such strong opinions on IB. Oh, that's right.. you can have opinions about something you have never experienced because you "researched" it.

Got it, you read through your child’s paper and saw the experiments he did for his HL math essay. Sorry, but there’s not much experimentation in math, bizarre that you’re posting made up stories about your child’s success.

The fact that no AP kids self study for the IB exam, while the reverse is true, is actually an argument against IB. It’s likely because the IB credit is not as widely accepted to colleges.

You're awfully sure of what IB entails for someone who's never had a child in it.

You really think that there are no IB kids who major in CS or Eng and have a high SAT score?

You are so ignorant and uninformed. Please stop posting.

To OP, it's a challenging program and heavy on writing. It will prepare your kids for college, but getting the IB Diploma is not an advantage for US colleges, and colleges are less likely to take IB credit than AP credit. But, it will show the college that the student took the most rigorous courses offered.

I’m sorry but you are ignorant, never have I made the claim in bold. I did claim the part with math experiments was probably a lie, because it defies logic.

Please, if you don’t have a substantive argument besides ad hominem attacks, feel free to ignore my posts.

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Anonymous wrote:Theres a lot less flexibility since you sign up for the two year package, the courses in math and science are are less rigurous, presumably there is more writing to make up for these shrtcomings. Not sure a 10 page writeup at the end redeems all these shortcomings, and the extended essay format is somewhat artificial and awkward. Other aspects of the program like the theory of knowledge feel gimmicky, nowhere will you find anything similar. The writing preparation seems to be focusing on the quantity instead of quality, but of course it depends on school, teacher and the student.

maybe, but the TOK and EE essays are graded by the IB org.

I didn't read all of DC's papers in IBDP, but I do know that they had to do a ton of research and experiment for their EE. DC chose the EE for their IB HL math class.

IMO, this is one of the best parts of IBDP - the research and analytical writing. I don't think the AP English classes do this much writing.

I’m wondering what kind of experiment you’d do for a high level math extended essay, perhaps you’re confused about what he actually did. Undergrad math and science classes are still mostly problem sets, lab reports and exams, do these well and you’re not going to be unprepared.

The theory of knowledge essay exemplifies how inflexible the program is, the topic doesn’t strike me as so important that every student has to write a paper on it. Also not a big fan of minimum word length requirements, makes some students adopt a convoluted writing style.

The AP diploma, research and capstone, is very similar but definitely not as successful as the IB program. Either students interested in writing gravitate towards IB or when given the choice prefer a class more focused on building the knowledge base that might help them more with college admissions.

You can wonder all you want, but I read DC's paper, and saw DC do the experiments. They got a 1580 on the SAT and is studying CS, straight As in college so far.

AP classes are nothing like IB classes. DC and all of the IB kids take both AP and IB classes. How many kids do you know who self study for IB exams, and get a 7? Whereas plenty of IB students self study for AP exams and get 5s, my DC included.

Almost all IB students have stated that IB has prepared them well for college. I don't think all AP students can say the same.

You post this dribble a lot. You've never had a kid who took both AP and IB, yet you have such strong opinions on IB. Oh, that's right.. you can have opinions about something you have never experienced because you "researched" it.

Got it, you read through your child’s paper and saw the experiments he did for his HL math essay. Sorry, but there’s not much experimentation in math, bizarre that you’re posting made up stories about your child’s success.

The fact that no AP kids self study for the IB exam, while the reverse is true, is actually an argument against IB. It’s likely because the IB credit is not as widely accepted to colleges.

For someone who says they "researched" IB, you sure are dumb to not even bother trying to google it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/13h98qg/need_ideas_for_my_ib_extended_essay_in_mathematics/?rdt=56295

My DC is studying CS with a concentration in AI/ML.

Again, stop posting your ignorance on here. You're not helping your cause.

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Anonymous wrote:Theres a lot less flexibility since you sign up for the two year package, the courses in math and science are are less rigurous, presumably there is more writing to make up for these shrtcomings. Not sure a 10 page writeup at the end redeems all these shortcomings, and the extended essay format is somewhat artificial and awkward. Other aspects of the program like the theory of knowledge feel gimmicky, nowhere will you find anything similar. The writing preparation seems to be focusing on the quantity instead of quality, but of course it depends on school, teacher and the student.

maybe, but the TOK and EE essays are graded by the IB org.

I didn't read all of DC's papers in IBDP, but I do know that they had to do a ton of research and experiment for their EE. DC chose the EE for their IB HL math class.

IMO, this is one of the best parts of IBDP - the research and analytical writing. I don't think the AP English classes do this much writing.

I’m wondering what kind of experiment you’d do for a high level math extended essay, perhaps you’re confused about what he actually did. Undergrad math and science classes are still mostly problem sets, lab reports and exams, do these well and you’re not going to be unprepared.

The theory of knowledge essay exemplifies how inflexible the program is, the topic doesn’t strike me as so important that every student has to write a paper on it. Also not a big fan of minimum word length requirements, makes some students adopt a convoluted writing style.

The AP diploma, research and capstone, is very similar but definitely not as successful as the IB program. Either students interested in writing gravitate towards IB or when given the choice prefer a class more focused on building the knowledge base that might help them more with college admissions.

You can wonder all you want, but I read DC's paper, and saw DC do the experiments. They got a 1580 on the SAT and is studying CS, straight As in college so far.

AP classes are nothing like IB classes. DC and all of the IB kids take both AP and IB classes. How many kids do you know who self study for IB exams, and get a 7? Whereas plenty of IB students self study for AP exams and get 5s, my DC included.

Almost all IB students have stated that IB has prepared them well for college. I don't think all AP students can say the same.

You post this dribble a lot. You've never had a kid who took both AP and IB, yet you have such strong opinions on IB. Oh, that's right.. you can have opinions about something you have never experienced because you "researched" it.

Got it, you read through your child’s paper and saw the experiments he did for his HL math essay. Sorry, but there’s not much experimentation in math, bizarre that you’re posting made up stories about your child’s success.

The fact that no AP kids self study for the IB exam, while the reverse is true, is actually an argument against IB. It’s likely because the IB credit is not as widely accepted to colleges.

You're awfully sure of what IB entails for someone who's never had a child in it.

You really think that there are no IB kids who major in CS or Eng and have a high SAT score?

You are so ignorant and uninformed. Please stop posting.

To OP, it's a challenging program and heavy on writing. It will prepare your kids for college, but getting the IB Diploma is not an advantage for US colleges, and colleges are less likely to take IB credit than AP credit. But, it will show the college that the student took the most rigorous courses offered.

I’m sorry but you are ignorant, never have I made the claim in bold. I did claim the part with math experiments was probably a lie, because it defies logic.

Please, if you don’t have a substantive argument besides ad hominem attacks, feel free to ignore my posts.

Here's what you stated: "bizarre that you’re posting made up stories about your child’s success."

And then up thread claimed something about.. 1580. or was it 8510 or whatever stupidity you posted.

So pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents of full IB students at one of the 8 ??? Mcps high schools with IB--- how much work has a full IB program for your kid? Are they stressed beyond expectation?
Was it a big jump from 10th to IB?
How is IB History
IB language (Spanish or French) difficult
IB Physics hard?
IB Math courses?
TOK 2 year class?
full IB worth it?

Hearing tech class doesn't need to be completed in 10th. For 10th they have signed up for health full year, Apush, four other required classes (incl their language class). If they take Physics in 10th, is IB Physics an option?

Writing writing writing even in math and science ones. Maybe even in IB Art which sounds very interesting.

My kid is in the RMIB and has not really had to ‘write’ in her Math classes. Not sure what you mean by that?

Remember the Barbie and Cheerio Projects? They've completed two essays in each period, also have some basic experiments

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents of full IB students at one of the 8 ??? Mcps high schools with IB--- how much work has a full IB program for your kid? Are they stressed beyond expectation?
Was it a big jump from 10th to IB?
How is IB History
IB language (Spanish or French) difficult
IB Physics hard?
IB Math courses?
TOK 2 year class?
full IB worth it?

Hearing tech class doesn't need to be completed in 10th. For 10th they have signed up for health full year, Apush, four other required classes (incl their language class). If they take Physics in 10th, is IB Physics an option?

Writing writing writing even in math and science ones. Maybe even in IB Art which sounds very interesting.

My kid is in the RMIB and has not really had to ‘write’ in her Math classes. Not sure what you mean by that?

Remember the Barbie and Cheerio Projects? They've completed two essays in each period, also have some basic experiments

The projects are designed for 9th graders at RMIB.

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Anonymous wrote:Theres a lot less flexibility since you sign up for the two year package, the courses in math and science are are less rigurous, presumably there is more writing to make up for these shrtcomings. Not sure a 10 page writeup at the end redeems all these shortcomings, and the extended essay format is somewhat artificial and awkward. Other aspects of the program like the theory of knowledge feel gimmicky, nowhere will you find anything similar. The writing preparation seems to be focusing on the quantity instead of quality, but of course it depends on school, teacher and the student.

maybe, but the TOK and EE essays are graded by the IB org.

I didn't read all of DC's papers in IBDP, but I do know that they had to do a ton of research and experiment for their EE. DC chose the EE for their IB HL math class.

IMO, this is one of the best parts of IBDP - the research and analytical writing. I don't think the AP English classes do this much writing.

I’m wondering what kind of experiment you’d do for a high level math extended essay, perhaps you’re confused about what he actually did. Undergrad math and science classes are still mostly problem sets, lab reports and exams, do these well and you’re not going to be unprepared.

The theory of knowledge essay exemplifies how inflexible the program is, the topic doesn’t strike me as so important that every student has to write a paper on it. Also not a big fan of minimum word length requirements, makes some students adopt a convoluted writing style.

The AP diploma, research and capstone, is very similar but definitely not as successful as the IB program. Either students interested in writing gravitate towards IB or when given the choice prefer a class more focused on building the knowledge base that might help them more with college admissions.

You can wonder all you want, but I read DC's paper, and saw DC do the experiments. They got a 1580 on the SAT and is studying CS, straight As in college so far.

AP classes are nothing like IB classes. DC and all of the IB kids take both AP and IB classes. How many kids do you know who self study for IB exams, and get a 7? Whereas plenty of IB students self study for AP exams and get 5s, my DC included.

Almost all IB students have stated that IB has prepared them well for college. I don't think all AP students can say the same.

You post this dribble a lot. You've never had a kid who took both AP and IB, yet you have such strong opinions on IB. Oh, that's right.. you can have opinions about something you have never experienced because you "researched" it.

Got it, you read through your child’s paper and saw the experiments he did for his HL math essay. Sorry, but there’s not much experimentation in math, bizarre that you’re posting made up stories about your child’s success.

The fact that no AP kids self study for the IB exam, while the reverse is true, is actually an argument against IB. It’s likely because the IB credit is not as widely accepted to colleges.

For someone who says they "researched" IB, you sure are dumb to not even bother trying to google it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/13h98qg/need_ideas_for_my_ib_extended_essay_in_mathematics/?rdt=56295

My DC is studying CS with a concentration in AI/ML.

Again, stop posting your ignorance on here. You're not helping your cause.

Even more...

https://www.clastify.com/ee/maths

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Anonymous wrote:What is the CAS do? One of the IBDP requirements? Students do not have flexibility it seems if they want to take 2 HL science classes.

This is an issue. You can have at most 4 high level classes in the IB program.

To have a strong application to a selective college for a STEM intended major, you need rigorous classes in math, physics, chemistry and biology. Hard to get all of them and then you also need to consider colleges also want to see the student taking the rigorous classes in English, foreign language, and humanities/social studies.

Agree with this. Hypothetical comparison between a student taking 4 HL classes in IBDP versus 8 AP, and it doesn’t look great for IB.

Question for people with kids that finished IB, how do you fit advanced coursework in all these subjects: math (2 years), english (2 years), physics, chemistry, biology, computer science, foreign language, history, plus a couple of electives? Roughly the equivalent of 12 AP classes that makes a student competitive for selective colleges.

The same as you would if it were AP classes, only it's IB classes.

But they would be a mix of SL and HL classes, right? My concern is that HL is comparable with AP, while SL is not and it’s more like the equivalent of an honors class so you’d be at a disadvantage in a side by side comparison.

Who says it's not?

Every college that lists what credit equivalence is given for IB and AP classes.

Here’s one:
https://advising.stanford.edu/current-students/advising-student-handbook/ap-ib-transfer

This is what Stanford says:
Only higher-level IB exams of the scores and subjects listed below are eligible for undergraduate units. Standard-level (SL) subject tests are not accepted.

Another example for Princeton:

https://advising.princeton.edu/placement/advanced-placement/ap-table-class-2027

Regarding AP vs IB equivalence, Princeton says:
Note that a score 7 on the IB (higher level) or a grade of A on the completed British A-level is considered the equivalent of a score of 5 on the AP test in most subjects; a score of 6 on the IB (higher level) or a grade of B on the completed British A-level is considered the equivalent of a score of 4 on the AP test.

Yale policy:

https://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/table-of-acceleration-credit/

Students may receive acceleration credits by earning scores comparable to AP test scores on such tests as the International Baccalaureate (IB) higher-level examinations or the General Certificate of Education (GCE) A-level examinations. In subjects for which an AP score of 4 or 5 earns acceleration credit, a score of 6 or 7 on II B higher-level exams, or B or A on A-levels, is required; in subjects that require an AP score of 5 for acceleration credit, a score of 7 on the IB higher-level or an A on the A-level is required.


By now you should get the idea on the rough equivalence between IB and AP, and that SL is certainly not equivalent to AP.

The assertion was specifically that college admissions officers look down on IB SL classes. If you're the person who made this assertion - how do you know this?

No, that’s not what assertion was made.

The claim is that college undergraduate programs view AP scores of 5 and 4 as equivalent to IB 7 and 6, and equivalent to their own first year classes. They also view SL classes as not equivalent to their own, therefore through simple reasoning below HL or the AP counterparts. Another piece of evidence, even IBO sees SL (150 hours instruction) below HL (240 hours instruction) in rigor and material covered.

Whether admissions officers look down on IB SL, that’s a matter of speculation, but given this background information I’d speculate that an applicant with an AP class will be stronger than an applicant with the same subject SL class.

Seriously, it’s not that hard!

It was. Go back through the quotes.

Speculate all you want. It's your own time you're wasting.

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If the discussion is about RMHS, then it’s different than general IB.

RMIB offers classes weirdly named AP Calculus BC that are a requirement of the program. Or IB Multivariable as if it has anything to do with the IB program.

That’s part of the confusion, people think RMIB is a typical IB program but it far from that. It has more AP/post AP classes than most high schools.

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It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

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Anyone with a kid with IEP, 504 complete full IB?

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

PP, life is not a competition. You do you, and let everybody else do them

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.