Feedback on full IB in mcps

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

Its very much something to consider as the math curriculum at some of these IB schools is not strong for AP students and they are forced to go to MC or elsewhere which makes it a nightmare.

There is no such thing as "AP students". What you're saying is: students at some of the IB schools, who don't want to take IB HL math, but do want to take an AP math class, might not be able to do that at their schools.

Which, to begin with, is an edge case. Plus it's purely hypothetical, at this point. For all of your posts on the topic, I don't remember anybody posting with "My kid is at Einstein or SV or Rockville, and loves math, but had their heart set on multivariable calculus as a separate class, so they had to take it through MC, and it was a nightmare!!!!!11"

On the other hand, suppose your child went to RMIB and took AP Calculus BC and MVC, that’s half of high school math they take, and then you claim the program is great because it got them into CS in AI/ML etc.

I’d say it’s hypocritical to turn around and then say AP/MVC doesn’t matter when these are opportunities that other IB programs don’t have.

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Anonymous wrote:If the discussion is about RMHS, then it’s different than general IB.

RMIB offers classes weirdly named AP Calculus BC that are a requirement of the program. Or IB Multivariable as if it has anything to do with the IB program.

That’s part of the confusion, people think RMIB is a typical IB program but it far from that. It has more AP/post AP classes than most high schools.

This is interesting. If a student at RMIB can take, effectively, "IB" versions of AP Calc BC and MVC, fulfilling the requirements for the IB Diploma Programme without sacrificing either of those classes or requiring a student to take IB Analysis separately, that would seem to be a best-of-both-worlds offering.

If the other IB schools aren't offering this, they should, since there aren't enough seats at RM to accommodate all who would want that.

You can also take IB Analysis for only one year instead of two. Not sure how that works but a student could take AP calculus BC one year and IB Analysis in the next year and still fulfill the diploma requirements. I’m not aware of any other school where this is possible, maybe others have better information.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

There’s multiple reasons people compare them, both are supposed to show rigorous college level coursework along with DE, probably the number one reason people use these options. For academically oriented students entering HS, it does boil down between IB and AP and to a lesser extent DE, comparing them makes sense to me.

In this thread whenever people bring up RMIB as an example of a good program, inevitably there will be a discussion about AP/post AP, because the school program is essentially a mix between them, it’s not really a typical IB program, and I’m not sure people realize this distinction. The other programs are far more limited even if they have the same IB label. When posters say IB worked great for their kid, it makes a difference if they have access to 10 AP classes, some of them mandatory for graduation, plus classes like MVC that very few other schools offer. There’s far more variability in IB compared to AP which is relatively a known quantity and seems to be more standardized across schools.

Because of all these reasons, IB comes with a buyer beware warning. You need to do your research beforehand to know what you’re getting.

Please stop. Seriously. Just stop.

What part of my post are you objecting to?

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

Its very much something to consider as the math curriculum at some of these IB schools is not strong for AP students and they are forced to go to MC or elsewhere which makes it a nightmare.

There is no such thing as "AP students". What you're saying is: students at some of the IB schools, who don't want to take IB HL math, but do want to take an AP math class, might not be able to do that at their schools.

Which, to begin with, is an edge case. Plus it's purely hypothetical, at this point. For all of your posts on the topic, I don't remember anybody posting with "My kid is at Einstein or SV or Rockville, and loves math, but had their heart set on multivariable calculus as a separate class, so they had to take it through MC, and it was a nightmare!!!!!11"

On the other hand, suppose your child went to RMIB and took AP Calculus BC and MVC, that’s half of high school math they take, and then you claim the program is great because it got them into CS in AI/ML etc.

I’d say it’s hypocritical to turn around and then say AP/MVC doesn’t matter when these are opportunities that other IB programs don’t have.

You think you're winning some kind of argument here, but you're just showing us that you're not NT. That's okay, but there's no point in further "debate" because it isn't one. It never can be.

Perhaps if you'd gone into an IB program yourself long ago, learned how to take tests that weren't multiple choice, learned how to write, or how to think more elastically... You'd have something to say. But you don't.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

Its very much something to consider as the math curriculum at some of these IB schools is not strong for AP students and they are forced to go to MC or elsewhere which makes it a nightmare.

There is no such thing as "AP students". What you're saying is: students at some of the IB schools, who don't want to take IB HL math, but do want to take an AP math class, might not be able to do that at their schools.

Which, to begin with, is an edge case. Plus it's purely hypothetical, at this point. For all of your posts on the topic, I don't remember anybody posting with "My kid is at Einstein or SV or Rockville, and loves math, but had their heart set on multivariable calculus as a separate class, so they had to take it through MC, and it was a nightmare!!!!!11"

You are such a horrible person it’s disgusting!

Your child goes to a public school financed with public money and brag about the academic opportunities he had. Then, when other posters mention they would like their kids to have the same, you’re telling them they are an edge case and that those opportunities don’t matter!

Until you pay for the IB program with your own money, just shut up. What an unpleasant hag!

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents of full IB students at one of the 8 ??? Mcps high schools with IB--- how much work has a full IB program for your kid? Are they stressed beyond expectation?
Was it a big jump from 10th to IB?
How is IB History
IB language (Spanish or French) difficult
IB Physics hard?
IB Math courses?
TOK 2 year class?
full IB worth it?

Hearing tech class doesn't need to be completed in 10th. For 10th they have signed up for health full year, Apush, four other required classes (incl their language class). If they take Physics in 10th, is IB Physics an option?

Have your child reach out to your school's IB coordinator/admin or counselor. Have these questions ready for your child to ask that person. As far as stress, it depends on child and their life-style-classes-support. No doubt there is but manageable for most, it seems. Or they are not talking about it.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

There’s multiple reasons people compare them, both are supposed to show rigorous college level coursework along with DE, probably the number one reason people use these options. For academically oriented students entering HS, it does boil down between IB and AP and to a lesser extent DE, comparing them makes sense to me.

In this thread whenever people bring up RMIB as an example of a good program, inevitably there will be a discussion about AP/post AP, because the school program is essentially a mix between them, it’s not really a typical IB program, and I’m not sure people realize this distinction. The other programs are far more limited even if they have the same IB label. When posters say IB worked great for their kid, it makes a difference if they have access to 10 AP classes, some of them mandatory for graduation, plus classes like MVC that very few other schools offer. There’s far more variability in IB compared to AP which is relatively a known quantity and seems to be more standardized across schools.

Because of all these reasons, IB comes with a buyer beware warning. You need to do your research beforehand to know what you’re getting.

Please stop. Seriously. Just stop.

What part of my post are you objecting to?

This is a DP. It's like you have this dire need to prove something. For the vast majority of students who are in wall-to-wall IB schools, the most rigorous track in their schools IS IB. It doesn't matter that there are minimal AP classes available to them because there are a bunch of IB classes available; most importantly, the IB Diploma track. For these students, not taking the IBDP hurts them as it's already widely known that colleges are looking for kids who took the most rigorous classes in their school whether AP or IB. At the end of the day, colleges are evaluating applicants against the other applicants in their HIGH SCHOOL; not some other high school that has 45 AP classes or MVC. I just don't understand why you're claiming buyer beware.

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Anonymous wrote:If the discussion is about RMHS, then it’s different than general IB.

RMIB offers classes weirdly named AP Calculus BC that are a requirement of the program. Or IB Multivariable as if it has anything to do with the IB program.

That’s part of the confusion, people think RMIB is a typical IB program but it far from that. It has more AP/post AP classes than most high schools.

This is interesting. If a student at RMIB can take, effectively, "IB" versions of AP Calc BC and MVC, fulfilling the requirements for the IB Diploma Programme without sacrificing either of those classes or requiring a student to take IB Analysis separately, that would seem to be a best-of-both-worlds offering.

If the other IB schools aren't offering this, they should, since there aren't enough seats at RM to accommodate all who would want that.

You can also take IB Analysis for only one year instead of two. Not sure how that works but a student could take AP calculus BC one year and IB Analysis in the next year and still fulfill the diploma requirements. I’m not aware of any other school where this is possible, maybe others have better information.

Since some poster talked about her child going to a CS program, at RMIB you can take AP CS Principles and AP Java in addition to IB computer science, and they would be counted as IB. There are many high school IB programs that don’t even offer a single class in computer science.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

There’s multiple reasons people compare them, both are supposed to show rigorous college level coursework along with DE, probably the number one reason people use these options. For academically oriented students entering HS, it does boil down between IB and AP and to a lesser extent DE, comparing them makes sense to me.

In this thread whenever people bring up RMIB as an example of a good program, inevitably there will be a discussion about AP/post AP, because the school program is essentially a mix between them, it’s not really a typical IB program, and I’m not sure people realize this distinction. The other programs are far more limited even if they have the same IB label. When posters say IB worked great for their kid, it makes a difference if they have access to 10 AP classes, some of them mandatory for graduation, plus classes like MVC that very few other schools offer. There’s far more variability in IB compared to AP which is relatively a known quantity and seems to be more standardized across schools.

Because of all these reasons, IB comes with a buyer beware warning. You need to do your research beforehand to know what you’re getting.

Please stop. Seriously. Just stop.

What part of my post are you objecting to?

This is a DP. It's like you have this dire need to prove something. For the vast majority of students who are in wall-to-wall IB schools, the most rigorous track in their schools IS IB. It doesn't matter that there are minimal AP classes available to them because there are a bunch of IB classes available; most importantly, the IB Diploma track. For these students, not taking the IBDP hurts them as it's already widely known that colleges are looking for kids who took the most rigorous classes in their school whether AP or IB. At the end of the day, colleges are evaluating applicants against the other applicants in their HIGH SCHOOL; not some other high school that has 45 AP classes or MVC. I just don't understand why you're claiming buyer beware.

DP, too. It isn't just about the college application profile, though I'd say that suggesting there is no competition among students from different schools for admission slots is a bit off. If there were one offer left for the admissions office and the two candidates they were looking at were one from an IB program with few AP alternatives and one from an IB program with many, presuming the most rigorous classes were taken by each and all other things like grades, test scores, etc., being evaluated as equal, I'd think the kid who had the opportunity to take more would get the nod.

But that other part is about the HS experience, itself. IB is good, and probably great. For some students, getting the experience of many APs on top of that is better. Not all of those students are placed in an MCPS school with all of those opportunities, though. The magnet seats are too few, and it appears that MCPS is okay with the idea that, while "all IB programs are equal," some are more equal than others.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

Its very much something to consider as the math curriculum at some of these IB schools is not strong for AP students and they are forced to go to MC or elsewhere which makes it a nightmare.

You are truly not making any sense. First of all, IB schools DO have AP math classes. I just want to make that clear. Also, what makes you think that colleges are looking at the IBDP students at our school and going, nah- this kid isn't good enough because they took IB Analysis HL instead of MVC (which isn't even available at their high school).. Because this kid wasn't lucky enough to go to a school that has MVC, the kid is doomed and ends up at MC. What a joke! Here's a look at where some of the IBDP kids (not RMIB) are going to college: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SHQIC8n0LanV11UVgzezT6f_JPgHhRMe/view

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

There’s multiple reasons people compare them, both are supposed to show rigorous college level coursework along with DE, probably the number one reason people use these options. For academically oriented students entering HS, it does boil down between IB and AP and to a lesser extent DE, comparing them makes sense to me.

In this thread whenever people bring up RMIB as an example of a good program, inevitably there will be a discussion about AP/post AP, because the school program is essentially a mix between them, it’s not really a typical IB program, and I’m not sure people realize this distinction. The other programs are far more limited even if they have the same IB label. When posters say IB worked great for their kid, it makes a difference if they have access to 10 AP classes, some of them mandatory for graduation, plus classes like MVC that very few other schools offer. There’s far more variability in IB compared to AP which is relatively a known quantity and seems to be more standardized across schools.

Because of all these reasons, IB comes with a buyer beware warning. You need to do your research beforehand to know what you’re getting.

Please stop. Seriously. Just stop.

What part of my post are you objecting to?

This is a DP. It's like you have this dire need to prove something. For the vast majority of students who are in wall-to-wall IB schools, the most rigorous track in their schools IS IB. It doesn't matter that there are minimal AP classes available to them because there are a bunch of IB classes available; most importantly, the IB Diploma track. For these students, not taking the IBDP hurts them as it's already widely known that colleges are looking for kids who took the most rigorous classes in their school whether AP or IB. At the end of the day, colleges are evaluating applicants against the other applicants in their HIGH SCHOOL; not some other high school that has 45 AP classes or MVC. I just don't understand why you're claiming buyer beware.

You must be surely joking! Let me explain to you what I mean by IB program is buyer beware.

Compare the course catalog at RMIB with the one at SV:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2022-2023-ib-course-handbook.pdf

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/senecavalleyhs/IBprogram/aboutcourses

SV doesn’t even offer a single IB HL class in math, there’s one HL class in science for biology! RMIB has a bunch of APs plus multivariable calculus in addition to both SL and HL for Approaches and Analysis.

It’s true that to some degree you compete with students in your school, but only up to a point, if you go to a crappy program you absolute make a bad decision for your education and college chances.

Not a chance I would ever send my kid to a program like SVIB. If you don’t see how it’s buyer beware then you live in a privileged bubble.

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I don’t think people realize how much variability is across different IB programs. The magnet programs are not typical, there are crappy IB programs just like there are crappy high schools. Some posters in this thread assume that the IB label is a marker for rigor, the answer is that it depends.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

There’s multiple reasons people compare them, both are supposed to show rigorous college level coursework along with DE, probably the number one reason people use these options. For academically oriented students entering HS, it does boil down between IB and AP and to a lesser extent DE, comparing them makes sense to me.

In this thread whenever people bring up RMIB as an example of a good program, inevitably there will be a discussion about AP/post AP, because the school program is essentially a mix between them, it’s not really a typical IB program, and I’m not sure people realize this distinction. The other programs are far more limited even if they have the same IB label. When posters say IB worked great for their kid, it makes a difference if they have access to 10 AP classes, some of them mandatory for graduation, plus classes like MVC that very few other schools offer. There’s far more variability in IB compared to AP which is relatively a known quantity and seems to be more standardized across schools.

Because of all these reasons, IB comes with a buyer beware warning. You need to do your research beforehand to know what you’re getting.

Please stop. Seriously. Just stop.

What part of my post are you objecting to?

This is a DP. It's like you have this dire need to prove something. For the vast majority of students who are in wall-to-wall IB schools, the most rigorous track in their schools IS IB. It doesn't matter that there are minimal AP classes available to them because there are a bunch of IB classes available; most importantly, the IB Diploma track. For these students, not taking the IBDP hurts them as it's already widely known that colleges are looking for kids who took the most rigorous classes in their school whether AP or IB. At the end of the day, colleges are evaluating applicants against the other applicants in their HIGH SCHOOL; not some other high school that has 45 AP classes or MVC. I just don't understand why you're claiming buyer beware.

You must be surely joking! Let me explain to you what I mean by IB program is buyer beware.

Compare the course catalog at RMIB with the one at SV:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2022-2023-ib-course-handbook.pdf

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/senecavalleyhs/IBprogram/aboutcourses

SV doesn’t even offer a single IB HL class in math, there’s one HL class in science for biology! RMIB has a bunch of APs plus multivariable calculus in addition to both SL and HL for Approaches and Analysis.

It’s true that to some degree you compete with students in your school, but only up to a point, if you go to a crappy program you absolute make a bad decision for your education and college chances.

Not a chance I would ever send my kid to a program like SVIB. If you don’t see how it’s buyer beware then you live in a privileged bubble.

Some people need to get off their high horse. Yes, that's you. I'm a parent with an SV student taking IB HL next year: https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/svhsregistration/home
Please stop talking about people and schools you know nothing about. Bye, jerk.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

There’s multiple reasons people compare them, both are supposed to show rigorous college level coursework along with DE, probably the number one reason people use these options. For academically oriented students entering HS, it does boil down between IB and AP and to a lesser extent DE, comparing them makes sense to me.

In this thread whenever people bring up RMIB as an example of a good program, inevitably there will be a discussion about AP/post AP, because the school program is essentially a mix between them, it’s not really a typical IB program, and I’m not sure people realize this distinction. The other programs are far more limited even if they have the same IB label. When posters say IB worked great for their kid, it makes a difference if they have access to 10 AP classes, some of them mandatory for graduation, plus classes like MVC that very few other schools offer. There’s far more variability in IB compared to AP which is relatively a known quantity and seems to be more standardized across schools.

Because of all these reasons, IB comes with a buyer beware warning. You need to do your research beforehand to know what you’re getting.

Please stop. Seriously. Just stop.

What part of my post are you objecting to?

This is a DP. It's like you have this dire need to prove something. For the vast majority of students who are in wall-to-wall IB schools, the most rigorous track in their schools IS IB. It doesn't matter that there are minimal AP classes available to them because there are a bunch of IB classes available; most importantly, the IB Diploma track. For these students, not taking the IBDP hurts them as it's already widely known that colleges are looking for kids who took the most rigorous classes in their school whether AP or IB. At the end of the day, colleges are evaluating applicants against the other applicants in their HIGH SCHOOL; not some other high school that has 45 AP classes or MVC. I just don't understand why you're claiming buyer beware.

You must be surely joking! Let me explain to you what I mean by IB program is buyer beware.

Compare the course catalog at RMIB with the one at SV:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2022-2023-ib-course-handbook.pdf

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/senecavalleyhs/IBprogram/aboutcourses

SV doesn’t even offer a single IB HL class in math, there’s one HL class in science for biology! RMIB has a bunch of APs plus multivariable calculus in addition to both SL and HL for Approaches and Analysis.

It’s true that to some degree you compete with students in your school, but only up to a point, if you go to a crappy program you absolute make a bad decision for your education and college chances.

Not a chance I would ever send my kid to a program like SVIB. If you don’t see how it’s buyer beware then you live in a privileged bubble.

Some people need to get off their high horse. Yes, that's you. I'm a parent with an SV student taking IB HL next year: https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/svhsregistration/home
Please stop talking about people and schools you know nothing about. Bye, jerk.

Ok, so the school posts conflicting information, not exactly confidence inspiring, and actually there’s one single HL math class. Still a single HL science class in biology, no computer science classes etc.

Sorry, but my point that there’s a huge variability across IB programs still stands.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been discussed before, often you hear the argument that IB slows down the top students. I think it has some merit if you look at the highest math sequence at RMIB for students entering HS: precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Analysis HL.

The gist of the criticism is that there’s too much overlap between Calculus BC and HL Analysis, the student would be better off with a dedicated statistics class or other higher level math.

that's what mvc is for. Last year, DC said there were two or three MVC classes, and there were 30+ kids in each class.

Still it’s a step down to go from Calculus BC and Multivariable to IB HL analysis because otherwise you won’t get the Diploma.

? you don't have to take HL math. You can always HL in something else.

Also, some kids take MVC and IB HL in the same year.

No one stated that IB is STEM heavy. That's what Blair magnet is for.

You don’t have to HL in math, but if you’re taking MVC, math is one of your interests, and you want to do your diploma in your strongest subjects.

You need chill a little. When someone offers a criticism of the IB program you seem to take it very personally, and assume there’s some kind of ill intent and vendetta against IB. There are legitimate criticisms from well intended posters that seem to strike a nerve with you and elicit an unwarranted vitriolic reaction.

The perceived rigor of SL classes and slowing down of advanced students are comments that show up often. It may not apply to your child, but some people share the concern, and want to see different perspectives and considerations when deciding on the high school for their kids.

I don't know why you people keep insisting on comparing AP with IB. They are different and let's just leave it that way. AP classes are rigorous college level classes that enable you to earn college credits. The IB diploma program is a rigorous track with 6 subject areas and a core class that focuses on an essay and some type of community project. I would say that IB Math, regardless of what class you take is broader than non IB classes, AP or non-AP. Honestly, who cares about all this- it's whatever works for your kid.

There’s multiple reasons people compare them, both are supposed to show rigorous college level coursework along with DE, probably the number one reason people use these options. For academically oriented students entering HS, it does boil down between IB and AP and to a lesser extent DE, comparing them makes sense to me.

In this thread whenever people bring up RMIB as an example of a good program, inevitably there will be a discussion about AP/post AP, because the school program is essentially a mix between them, it’s not really a typical IB program, and I’m not sure people realize this distinction. The other programs are far more limited even if they have the same IB label. When posters say IB worked great for their kid, it makes a difference if they have access to 10 AP classes, some of them mandatory for graduation, plus classes like MVC that very few other schools offer. There’s far more variability in IB compared to AP which is relatively a known quantity and seems to be more standardized across schools.

Because of all these reasons, IB comes with a buyer beware warning. You need to do your research beforehand to know what you’re getting.

Please stop. Seriously. Just stop.

What part of my post are you objecting to?

This is a DP. It's like you have this dire need to prove something. For the vast majority of students who are in wall-to-wall IB schools, the most rigorous track in their schools IS IB. It doesn't matter that there are minimal AP classes available to them because there are a bunch of IB classes available; most importantly, the IB Diploma track. For these students, not taking the IBDP hurts them as it's already widely known that colleges are looking for kids who took the most rigorous classes in their school whether AP or IB. At the end of the day, colleges are evaluating applicants against the other applicants in their HIGH SCHOOL; not some other high school that has 45 AP classes or MVC. I just don't understand why you're claiming buyer beware.

You must be surely joking! Let me explain to you what I mean by IB program is buyer beware.

Compare the course catalog at RMIB with the one at SV:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/r-w/rmhs/ib/2022-2023-ib-course-handbook.pdf

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/senecavalleyhs/IBprogram/aboutcourses

SV doesn’t even offer a single IB HL class in math, there’s one HL class in science for biology! RMIB has a bunch of APs plus multivariable calculus in addition to both SL and HL for Approaches and Analysis.

It’s true that to some degree you compete with students in your school, but only up to a point, if you go to a crappy program you absolute make a bad decision for your education and college chances.

Not a chance I would ever send my kid to a program like SVIB. If you don’t see how it’s buyer beware then you live in a privileged bubble.

Some people need to get off their high horse. Yes, that's you. I'm a parent with an SV student taking IB HL next year: https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/svhsregistration/home
Please stop talking about people and schools you know nothing about. Bye, jerk.

Ok, so the school posts conflicting information, not exactly confidence inspiring, and actually there’s one single HL math class. Still a single HL science class in biology, no computer science classes etc.

Sorry, but my point that there’s a huge variability across IB programs still stands.

Again, not sure why you are confidently making statements about a school you know nothing about. There's an AP Computer Science class that my own kid is taking this year.,and as people have said MULTIPLE times, no one is comparing RMIB (nor should they) to the local IB programs except you. No one ever said there's no variability, but the reality is, an IB Diploma is an IB Diploma; and students are assessed against other students WITHIN their own school. Please stop belittling families who have kids at these schools. It's not a good look for you.