Do you think DINKs are the future?

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Anonymous wrote:If so, I am optimistic that this will result in the added bonus of diminishing their progressive political ideaology since the couples who will likely opt into continuing to reproduce will trend conservative.

It's a dynamic equilibrium.

Conservatives create more conservatives by birthing them, and then create progressives by raising them.

I’m not sure about that.
A lot more people become progressive after having struggled through life.

A strong indicator for having to struggle through life having been an unwanted or unplanned for child. Before contraception and women having the ability to have careers and really make their own life choices, there were a lot more unwanted/uncared for kids being born, therefore more trauma, therefore more obstacles, and a harder life.

Kids growing up in a family that loves and wants them are generally going to grow up to be successful productive adults who may need to rely less on social services, therefore might not necessarily see why they are needed for some people.

I think becoming educated where you learn to think about the broad impacts of policy, the situations of people outside your own life and think about what is fair etc. is what pushes people to a more liberal perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:We are millennial DINKs. Couldn't be happier. Own a home. Max out retirement accounts. Take multiple trips per year. Have very little debt except a mortgage. Sleep until 10 AM on the weekends.

Kids ruin everything. I paid $85k off in student loans. I will absolutely NEVER pay another college bill again in my life. F that. Then they gouge the crap outta you for $3000-4000 per mo for childcare. Ridiculous. There's also no guarantee your kid won't turn out to be a F up even if you raise them right. I know so many kids raised in good homes who ended up becoming opioid addicts, so one robbed a bank, and others popping out kids out of wedlock by the time they're 21. The worst ones are kids who get into serious trouble and the parents blow their entire life's savings on legal fees or rehab to save their precious little Hunter or Emily.

Nope, nope, nope. Finally getting ahead in life because of no kids.

Geez...I have no problem with your decision, but who do you hang out with that you know all these derelict kids? Where are you from/do you live?

Very good people. The one kid who was a F up was the son of a VP of a local company. Literally low IQ and poor decision making. I was friends of the other son though - college buddy. The son who was messed up did a stupid stunt in a pool and ended up fracturing his vertebrae. Then it required use of opioids, which is TERRIBLE with someone with an addictive personality. He got addicted to opioids and spiraled out of control. The parents spent in ordinate sums of money on multiple rehab treatments, interventions, and therapists. Didn't matter. He still spiraled, and is still addicted to drugs and booze. They disowned him from the family. The other son I was friends with is perfectly fine and does well with his career.


Another guy I know was the brother of the woman my friend married. Very good home. The parents lived in a 6000 sqft house. The son ended up just getting in with the wrong crowd and got caught selling drugs. The parents spent boat loads keeping him out of jail, but he's still a loser.


And finally my female cousin is a screw up. Again, a good home. Mom is a nurse and dad an electrician. All the opportunities in the world to go to college, etc. She ended up choosing the wrong crowd and got addicted to opioids somehow (Kids these days are popping oxy like candy if you didn't know - just look at MoCo high schools). Opoid addiction spiraled into heroin addiction. She needed up getting pregnant by like 20 looked very rough. Her mom ended up having to take care of the baby while her addiction spiraled out of control. She ended up getting cozy with very bad hombres to feed her addiction and ended up trying to rob a bank to feed her addiction. She was caught and spent about 8 years in prison while missing out on her daughter growing up.


Again, just because you have kids and raise them right is no guarantee of success. There are so many bad people and influences out there that can completely undermine the best parenting efforts in no time. Have fun blowing hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal bills and taking care of your daughter's out of wed lock baby.

No thanks. I'll enjoy my 10 AM else times and multiple international trips.. plus no more college bills!

You don't understand what good parenting is. You think "dad is a VP, sibling is successful -- must have had good parenting." Or "mom's a nurse, must have been a good parent." That's not how it works.

Also, while anyone can develop an addiction or fall in with the wrong crowd, good parents will respond to these issues in ways that keep it from getting worse. Good parenting can't prevent someone from every experiencing a negative event in their lives, but it can help keep people from spiraling out of control. Someone who is prone to sever risk taking, gets horribly injured, and then develops an addiction to pain medication, was not well parented. It's not something that "just happens" despite everyone's best efforts.

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Anonymous wrote:How can DINKs be the future? Once we reach negative population growth, we wind up with massive economic problems. It doesn't work. Our whole society depends on the idea of there always being a replacement workforce (who will pay taxes and take care of the elderly) coming up.

I don't care if any individual person has kids or not, and I myself decided to only have one so my spouse and I didn't even reach replacement level. But the idea that "the future" is people just choosing not to have kids is crazy because that future would be extremely short lived and ultimately really unpleasant.

This a Malthusian pre-industrial myth.

Growing population creates poverty because people need to eat, so the elites owners of capital can make them compete for subsistence wages.

Yes, fewer children means fewer young people for old people to rob. That problem fixes itself in one generation, as the number of old people shrinks.

This is so cute, because you are overlooking what the DINK lifestyle is and the way it relies heavily on capitalism and population/GDP growth in order to function.

The ideal of the DINK lifestyle is having two decent jobs, a home in a place with plenty to do (good restaurants, nightlife, parks, etc.), and the disposable income to not only enjoy those things but also to outsource the stuff you don't want to do. DINKs like their house cleaners, their meal kits, their dog walkers and sitters so they can travel and go out to dinner, yes? Also consumer goods -- TVs and computers and new furniture and fancy running shoes? Workout classes and food halls? Well all of that requires moderate population growth to support. You cannot have that lifestyle if suddenly everyone stops having kids. It would not "fix itself" in a generation. It would be a massive shift in way of life and not one that many current DINKs would enjoy. What if being a DINK meant having to do literally everything yourself because there's no workforce to outsource it to? What if many of the fields DINKs work in die because they rely on a large workforce of relatively cheap labor (i.e. young people and immigrants) to function? What happens when your dual-income shrinks because there aren't consulting jobs and Big Law jobs and non-profit jobs because those industries can't sustain themselves without either a larger low-level workforce OR a larger consumer base (or both?).

Also, if literally everyone became a DINK, the population would just die out. Do you know what population death would look like? The last 50 years of that would be painful and cruel. You want to live through that? Enjoy.

But okay, please entertain with your crack-pot pseudo-intellectual theories on capitalism (which I don't even like, I would support European style socialism which keeps the worst aspects of capitalism in check, but anyway). It's hilarious.

Then perhaps as a country, America should enact policies to help families with children. Maybe if housing, and food, and healthcare, and childcare were actually affordable and our education system wasn’t a dumpster fire, you would have more people interested in having kids. If having children is essential to society, why does society put the cost of it almost entirely on parents?

It IS affordable. Especially compared to other western countries. Americans have one of the highest disposable incomes in the world.

For whatever reason, younger generations resent spending their income on housing, food etc. That’s exactly what you’re supposed to be spending it on. Not luxury vacations, dog walkers, etc.

It's not affordable to many people. You might not see it but many of us who are struggling do.

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Anonymous wrote:We are millennial DINKs. Couldn't be happier. Own a home. Max out retirement accounts. Take multiple trips per year. Have very little debt except a mortgage. Sleep until 10 AM on the weekends.

Kids ruin everything. I paid $85k off in student loans. I will absolutely NEVER pay another college bill again in my life. F that. Then they gouge the crap outta you for $3000-4000 per mo for childcare. Ridiculous. There's also no guarantee your kid won't turn out to be a F up even if you raise them right. I know so many kids raised in good homes who ended up becoming opioid addicts, so one robbed a bank, and others popping out kids out of wedlock by the time they're 21. The worst ones are kids who get into serious trouble and the parents blow their entire life's savings on legal fees or rehab to save their precious little Hunter or Emily.

Nope, nope, nope. Finally getting ahead in life because of no kids.

Perspectives like this are the problem. This is just sad.

Says the person who probably grew up with Mommy and daddy money paying for college and a down payment for their first home. And from someone who probably never had significant job loss after 2008 or during COVID.


Life is easy when you have mommy and daddy money and no set backs ever, ain't it.

I will forever fail to understand why people think this is some sort of insult or "gotcha!"

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I know lots of DINKS and SINKS in their 60s, also 50s, and 30s.

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Anonymous wrote:We are millennial DINKs. Couldn't be happier. Own a home. Max out retirement accounts. Take multiple trips per year. Have very little debt except a mortgage. Sleep until 10 AM on the weekends.

Kids ruin everything. I paid $85k off in student loans. I will absolutely NEVER pay another college bill again in my life. F that. Then they gouge the crap outta you for $3000-4000 per mo for childcare. Ridiculous. There's also no guarantee your kid won't turn out to be a F up even if you raise them right. I know so many kids raised in good homes who ended up becoming opioid addicts, so one robbed a bank, and others popping out kids out of wedlock by the time they're 21. The worst ones are kids who get into serious trouble and the parents blow their entire life's savings on legal fees or rehab to save their precious little Hunter or Emily.

Nope, nope, nope. Finally getting ahead in life because of no kids.

Geez...I have no problem with your decision, but who do you hang out with that you know all these derelict kids? Where are you from/do you live?

Very good people. The one kid who was a F up was the son of a VP of a local company. Literally low IQ and poor decision making. I was friends of the other son though - college buddy. The son who was messed up did a stupid stunt in a pool and ended up fracturing his vertebrae. Then it required use of opioids, which is TERRIBLE with someone with an addictive personality. He got addicted to opioids and spiraled out of control. The parents spent in ordinate sums of money on multiple rehab treatments, interventions, and therapists. Didn't matter. He still spiraled, and is still addicted to drugs and booze. They disowned him from the family. The other son I was friends with is perfectly fine and does well with his career.


Another guy I know was the brother of the woman my friend married. Very good home. The parents lived in a 6000 sqft house. The son ended up just getting in with the wrong crowd and got caught selling drugs. The parents spent boat loads keeping him out of jail, but he's still a loser.


And finally my female cousin is a screw up. Again, a good home. Mom is a nurse and dad an electrician. All the opportunities in the world to go to college, etc. She ended up choosing the wrong crowd and got addicted to opioids somehow (Kids these days are popping oxy like candy if you didn't know - just look at MoCo high schools). Opoid addiction spiraled into heroin addiction. She needed up getting pregnant by like 20 looked very rough. Her mom ended up having to take care of the baby while her addiction spiraled out of control. She ended up getting cozy with very bad hombres to feed her addiction and ended up trying to rob a bank to feed her addiction. She was caught and spent about 8 years in prison while missing out on her daughter growing up.


Again, just because you have kids and raise them right is no guarantee of success. There are so many bad people and influences out there that can completely undermine the best parenting efforts in no time. Have fun blowing hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal bills and taking care of your daughter's out of wed lock baby.

No thanks. I'll enjoy my 10 AM else times and multiple international trips.. plus no more college bills!

You don't understand what good parenting is. You think "dad is a VP, sibling is successful -- must have had good parenting." Or "mom's a nurse, must have been a good parent." That's not how it works.

Also, while anyone can develop an addiction or fall in with the wrong crowd, good parents will respond to these issues in ways that keep it from getting worse. Good parenting can't prevent someone from every experiencing a negative event in their lives, but it can help keep people from spiraling out of control. Someone who is prone to sever risk taking, gets horribly injured, and then develops an addiction to pain medication, was not well parented. It's not something that "just happens" despite everyone's best efforts.

Completely idiotic post which shows you've never had to deal with an opiod addict.

You can get on your good parenting soap box all you want. You have NO CLUE how powerful an addiction to something like opioids really is. No amount of 'good parenting' is going to address it alone. Do you have any clue how many Americans have died over the last 20 years from opiates?

So, sooooooooo out of touch.

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Anonymous wrote:We are millennial DINKs. Couldn't be happier. Own a home. Max out retirement accounts. Take multiple trips per year. Have very little debt except a mortgage. Sleep until 10 AM on the weekends.

Kids ruin everything. I paid $85k off in student loans. I will absolutely NEVER pay another college bill again in my life. F that. Then they gouge the crap outta you for $3000-4000 per mo for childcare. Ridiculous. There's also no guarantee your kid won't turn out to be a F up even if you raise them right. I know so many kids raised in good homes who ended up becoming opioid addicts, so one robbed a bank, and others popping out kids out of wedlock by the time they're 21. The worst ones are kids who get into serious trouble and the parents blow their entire life's savings on legal fees or rehab to save their precious little Hunter or Emily.

Nope, nope, nope. Finally getting ahead in life because of no kids.

Perspectives like this are the problem. This is just sad.

Says the person who probably grew up with Mommy and daddy money paying for college and a down payment for their first home. And from someone who probably never had significant job loss after 2008 or during COVID.


Life is easy when you have mommy and daddy money and no set backs ever, ain't it.

I will forever fail to understand why people think this is some sort of insult or "gotcha!"

Because it is a lot easier to have kids when you have all the mommy and daddy money to pay for all of your college and a downpayment on a first home. You've never been bogged down by 15+ years of student loan payments, job loss, and trying to scrape together what you can for years for a downpayment on a home only to see the system double the price of homes and corporations buy whatever is left of affordable housing stock.


Congrats, your the poster child for our of touch DCUM posters rampant on this site.

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Anonymous wrote:We are millennial DINKs. Couldn't be happier. Own a home. Max out retirement accounts. Take multiple trips per year. Have very little debt except a mortgage. Sleep until 10 AM on the weekends.

Kids ruin everything. I paid $85k off in student loans. I will absolutely NEVER pay another college bill again in my life. F that. Then they gouge the crap outta you for $3000-4000 per mo for childcare. Ridiculous. There's also no guarantee your kid won't turn out to be a F up even if you raise them right. I know so many kids raised in good homes who ended up becoming opioid addicts, so one robbed a bank, and others popping out kids out of wedlock by the time they're 21. The worst ones are kids who get into serious trouble and the parents blow their entire life's savings on legal fees or rehab to save their precious little Hunter or Emily.

Nope, nope, nope. Finally getting ahead in life because of no kids.

Geez...I have no problem with your decision, but who do you hang out with that you know all these derelict kids? Where are you from/do you live?

Very good people. The one kid who was a F up was the son of a VP of a local company. Literally low IQ and poor decision making. I was friends of the other son though - college buddy. The son who was messed up did a stupid stunt in a pool and ended up fracturing his vertebrae. Then it required use of opioids, which is TERRIBLE with someone with an addictive personality. He got addicted to opioids and spiraled out of control. The parents spent in ordinate sums of money on multiple rehab treatments, interventions, and therapists. Didn't matter. He still spiraled, and is still addicted to drugs and booze. They disowned him from the family. The other son I was friends with is perfectly fine and does well with his career.


Another guy I know was the brother of the woman my friend married. Very good home. The parents lived in a 6000 sqft house. The son ended up just getting in with the wrong crowd and got caught selling drugs. The parents spent boat loads keeping him out of jail, but he's still a loser.


And finally my female cousin is a screw up. Again, a good home. Mom is a nurse and dad an electrician. All the opportunities in the world to go to college, etc. She ended up choosing the wrong crowd and got addicted to opioids somehow (Kids these days are popping oxy like candy if you didn't know - just look at MoCo high schools). Opoid addiction spiraled into heroin addiction. She needed up getting pregnant by like 20 looked very rough. Her mom ended up having to take care of the baby while her addiction spiraled out of control. She ended up getting cozy with very bad hombres to feed her addiction and ended up trying to rob a bank to feed her addiction. She was caught and spent about 8 years in prison while missing out on her daughter growing up.


Again, just because you have kids and raise them right is no guarantee of success. There are so many bad people and influences out there that can completely undermine the best parenting efforts in no time. Have fun blowing hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal bills and taking care of your daughter's out of wed lock baby.

No thanks. I'll enjoy my 10 AM else times and multiple international trips.. plus no more college bills!

You don't understand what good parenting is. You think "dad is a VP, sibling is successful -- must have had good parenting." Or "mom's a nurse, must have been a good parent." That's not how it works.

Also, while anyone can develop an addiction or fall in with the wrong crowd, good parents will respond to these issues in ways that keep it from getting worse. Good parenting can't prevent someone from every experiencing a negative event in their lives, but it can help keep people from spiraling out of control. Someone who is prone to sever risk taking, gets horribly injured, and then develops an addiction to pain medication, was not well parented. It's not something that "just happens" despite everyone's best efforts.

NP. I agree that simply having white collar or professional parents does not make one well-parented, but I would disagree with the bolded. Most people who become addicted to any sort of substance have a genetic predisposition. This cannot be parented away, unfortunately!

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Anonymous wrote:We are millennial DINKs. Couldn't be happier. Own a home. Max out retirement accounts. Take multiple trips per year. Have very little debt except a mortgage. Sleep until 10 AM on the weekends.

Kids ruin everything. I paid $85k off in student loans. I will absolutely NEVER pay another college bill again in my life. F that. Then they gouge the crap outta you for $3000-4000 per mo for childcare. Ridiculous. There's also no guarantee your kid won't turn out to be a F up even if you raise them right. I know so many kids raised in good homes who ended up becoming opioid addicts, so one robbed a bank, and others popping out kids out of wedlock by the time they're 21. The worst ones are kids who get into serious trouble and the parents blow their entire life's savings on legal fees or rehab to save their precious little Hunter or Emily.

Nope, nope, nope. Finally getting ahead in life because of no kids.

Perspectives like this are the problem. This is just sad.

Says the person who probably grew up with Mommy and daddy money paying for college and a down payment for their first home. And from someone who probably never had significant job loss after 2008 or during COVID.


Life is easy when you have mommy and daddy money and no set backs ever, ain't it.

I will forever fail to understand why people think this is some sort of insult or "gotcha!"

Because it is a lot easier to have kids when you have all the mommy and daddy money to pay for all of your college and a downpayment on a first home. You've never been bogged down by 15+ years of student loan payments, job loss, and trying to scrape together what you can for years for a downpayment on a home only to see the system double the price of homes and corporations buy whatever is left of affordable housing stock.


Congrats, your the poster child for our of touch DCUM posters rampant on this site.

K then just say you aren’t having kids because of finances and the economy (a reasonable perspective) instead of some nutty rant about how you might raise a drug addict.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are millennial DINKs. Couldn't be happier. Own a home. Max out retirement accounts. Take multiple trips per year. Have very little debt except a mortgage. Sleep until 10 AM on the weekends.

Kids ruin everything. I paid $85k off in student loans. I will absolutely NEVER pay another college bill again in my life. F that. Then they gouge the crap outta you for $3000-4000 per mo for childcare. Ridiculous. There's also no guarantee your kid won't turn out to be a F up even if you raise them right. I know so many kids raised in good homes who ended up becoming opioid addicts, so one robbed a bank, and others popping out kids out of wedlock by the time they're 21. The worst ones are kids who get into serious trouble and the parents blow their entire life's savings on legal fees or rehab to save their precious little Hunter or Emily.

Nope, nope, nope. Finally getting ahead in life because of no kids.

Geez...I have no problem with your decision, but who do you hang out with that you know all these derelict kids? Where are you from/do you live?

Very good people. The one kid who was a F up was the son of a VP of a local company. Literally low IQ and poor decision making. I was friends of the other son though - college buddy. The son who was messed up did a stupid stunt in a pool and ended up fracturing his vertebrae. Then it required use of opioids, which is TERRIBLE with someone with an addictive personality. He got addicted to opioids and spiraled out of control. The parents spent in ordinate sums of money on multiple rehab treatments, interventions, and therapists. Didn't matter. He still spiraled, and is still addicted to drugs and booze. They disowned him from the family. The other son I was friends with is perfectly fine and does well with his career.


Another guy I know was the brother of the woman my friend married. Very good home. The parents lived in a 6000 sqft house. The son ended up just getting in with the wrong crowd and got caught selling drugs. The parents spent boat loads keeping him out of jail, but he's still a loser.


And finally my female cousin is a screw up. Again, a good home. Mom is a nurse and dad an electrician. All the opportunities in the world to go to college, etc. She ended up choosing the wrong crowd and got addicted to opioids somehow (Kids these days are popping oxy like candy if you didn't know - just look at MoCo high schools). Opoid addiction spiraled into heroin addiction. She needed up getting pregnant by like 20 looked very rough. Her mom ended up having to take care of the baby while her addiction spiraled out of control. She ended up getting cozy with very bad hombres to feed her addiction and ended up trying to rob a bank to feed her addiction. She was caught and spent about 8 years in prison while missing out on her daughter growing up.


Again, just because you have kids and raise them right is no guarantee of success. There are so many bad people and influences out there that can completely undermine the best parenting efforts in no time. Have fun blowing hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal bills and taking care of your daughter's out of wed lock baby.

No thanks. I'll enjoy my 10 AM else times and multiple international trips.. plus no more college bills!

You don't understand what good parenting is. You think "dad is a VP, sibling is successful -- must have had good parenting." Or "mom's a nurse, must have been a good parent." That's not how it works.

Also, while anyone can develop an addiction or fall in with the wrong crowd, good parents will respond to these issues in ways that keep it from getting worse. Good parenting can't prevent someone from every experiencing a negative event in their lives, but it can help keep people from spiraling out of control. Someone who is prone to sever risk taking, gets horribly injured, and then develops an addiction to pain medication, was not well parented. It's not something that "just happens" despite everyone's best efforts.

Does it hurt being so colossally stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:Both my nieces in their 30's and married do not want kids. They have beautiful homes, travel, workout and like their lifestyle.

Hopefully these beautiful and fit women are socking away a very solid nest egg for retirement and elder care for themselves.
And I say that sincerely.

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Anonymous wrote:Both my nieces in their 30's and married do not want kids. They have beautiful homes, travel, workout and like their lifestyle.

Hopefully these beautiful and fit women are socking away a very solid nest egg for retirement and elder care for themselves.
And I say that sincerely.

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This is such a tired and stupid argument for having children.

I’m an attorney by profession but retired early and have spent the past near decade working in elder care/hospice settings.

Many children don’t care for their parents. Many don’t care and many simply can’t, aren’t able to for a variety of reasons.

Of the ones who (seemingly) don’t care, I hold compassion because I know about childhood trauma caused by poor parenting (very often the folks who think they’re perfect parents) and how it becomes harder to bear with age not easier, and how elder parents can become more of whatever they were and that can be just too much to bear.

Besides children owe their parents NOTHING. They didn’t ask to be born. The older I get the more it frustrates me to see how many parents manipulate their children’s lives with expectations and imposed ambitions that thwart a child’s ability to choose their life freely.

Maybe instead of all the focus on counting and scolding the DINKs and SINKs, we should all renew our efforts to pay attention to all the crappy parenting going on and to offer support and resources to help those kids to heal.

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Anonymous wrote:We are millennial DINKs. Couldn't be happier. Own a home. Max out retirement accounts. Take multiple trips per year. Have very little debt except a mortgage. Sleep until 10 AM on the weekends.

Kids ruin everything. I paid $85k off in student loans. I will absolutely NEVER pay another college bill again in my life. F that. Then they gouge the crap outta you for $3000-4000 per mo for childcare. Ridiculous. There's also no guarantee your kid won't turn out to be a F up even if you raise them right. I know so many kids raised in good homes who ended up becoming opioid addicts, so one robbed a bank, and others popping out kids out of wedlock by the time they're 21. The worst ones are kids who get into serious trouble and the parents blow their entire life's savings on legal fees or rehab to save their precious little Hunter or Emily.

Nope, nope, nope. Finally getting ahead in life because of no kids.

You'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but I agree 100%. Having kids makes your life such a clusterf*ck that I can't believe it's the norm.

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Anonymous wrote:We are millennial DINKs. Couldn't be happier. Own a home. Max out retirement accounts. Take multiple trips per year. Have very little debt except a mortgage. Sleep until 10 AM on the weekends.

Kids ruin everything. I paid $85k off in student loans. I will absolutely NEVER pay another college bill again in my life. F that. Then they gouge the crap outta you for $3000-4000 per mo for childcare. Ridiculous. There's also no guarantee your kid won't turn out to be a F up even if you raise them right. I know so many kids raised in good homes who ended up becoming opioid addicts, so one robbed a bank, and others popping out kids out of wedlock by the time they're 21. The worst ones are kids who get into serious trouble and the parents blow their entire life's savings on legal fees or rehab to save their precious little Hunter or Emily.

Nope, nope, nope. Finally getting ahead in life because of no kids.

Perspectives like this are the problem. This is just sad.

Says the person who probably grew up with Mommy and daddy money paying for college and a down payment for their first home. And from someone who probably never had significant job loss after 2008 or during COVID.


Life is easy when you have mommy and daddy money and no set backs ever, ain't it.

I will forever fail to understand why people think this is some sort of insult or "gotcha!"

Because it is a lot easier to have kids when you have all the mommy and daddy money to pay for all of your college and a downpayment on a first home. You've never been bogged down by 15+ years of student loan payments, job loss, and trying to scrape together what you can for years for a downpayment on a home only to see the system double the price of homes and corporations buy whatever is left of affordable housing stock.


Congrats, your the poster child for our of touch DCUM posters rampant on this site.

K then just say you aren’t having kids because of finances and the economy (a reasonable perspective) instead of some nutty rant about how you might raise a drug addict.

PP seems nuts.

Life isn't against you. Grow up or keep playing video games and sleeping in until 10am. At some point you'll wake up and realize you are on an island.

This area is expensive and hard, go move to the midwest or south and start a family if you can't cut it here. Stop blaming the world though.

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DINK’s for a long time and had kid at 40+, to each their own, but best decision ever for us. Give up things but gain so much more. I think more people will have kids later and less kids.